Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[bwgood77]

“That’s actually a stunner to me,” the opposing GM said. “If that was actually the offer, why are the Knicks clinging to these unknowns?”

Crazy that the Knicks deal is seen, by some, as good for NY. Those guys fit our timeline but I guess the Knicks want to keep their young depth or believe they'll be special someday.

You forgot the first part, in case people didn't click on the article...

It was reported that they asked the Knicks for big man Wally Hernangomez and rookie guard Frank Ntikilina, but the Knicks turned the potential deal away.

“That’s actually a stunner to me,” the opposing GM said. “If that was actually the offer, why are the Knicks clinging to these unknowns?”

I can definitely see both sides of this. With Bledsoe, THJ, Lee, Porzingis, and Kanter/O'Quinn they'd be pretty good and if not they still have their pick which would be lottery. They could use the pick to replace Lee by getting a good wing unless they got lucky in the lottery. I mean their is almost certainly less than a 50/50 chance Frank ever ends up better than Bledsoe.

[Waylay13]

If this goes past the weekend unresolved, and the FO sticks with the persona non grata with Eric, the NBPA is going to get involved. Phoenix's rep has already been sullied with the recent player "dramas" ...deserved or not. Make a deal soon or bring him back into the fold, is my stance.

Why would the NBPA get involved? The Suns are not fining him and the current CBA states that if a player publicly demands a trade that they can be fined. So under what conditions do you think that the NBPA is going to get involved?

[bigfoot]

If this goes past the weekend unresolved, and the FO sticks with the persona non grata with Eric, the NBPA is going to get involved. Phoenix's rep has already been sullied with the recent player "dramas" ...deserved or not. Make a deal soon or bring him back into the fold, is my stance.

Not sure what the NBPA is going to do. Suns are still paying Bledsoe's salary. They just don't want him around the team. Bledsoe was the one who said he didn't want to be here and the FO granted his request. He wanted to be traded before the season started and unfortunately things didn't work out. Having him sit at home is in the best interest of the 14 other players on the team. Bledsoe can work out with his own personal trainer. Bledsoe just needs to be patient and he will get his wish.

[bwgood77]

If this goes past the weekend unresolved, and the FO sticks with the persona non grata with Eric, the NBPA is going to get involved. Phoenix's rep has already been sullied with the recent player "dramas" ...deserved or not. Make a deal soon or bring him back into the fold, is my stance.

Why would the NBPA get involved? The Suns are not fining him and the current CBA states that if a player publicly demands a trade that they can be fined. So under what conditions do you think that the NBPA is going to get involved?

Yeah, people are mentioning that on the General Board too. I don't see it. If that happens maybe we can have him sit on the bench or something since he's quiet anyway. He may refuse, and that's that.

[bwgood77]

I honestly would just move him straight up for future picks and im talking 2020's and salary cap filler we can cut immediately we have enough young guys that need playing time the last thing we need to do is eat up more of the time with some average player.

I don't want to keep getting picks years into the future. If those 20/21 picks pan out it would be like 2024 or 2025 before they were likely really good players. Tired of waiting. 2019 at the latest, but preferably useful players and either a young PG or C.

[Walt_Uoob]

Per Brian Windhorst ... one of the things that makes early season trades difficult is that 1/3 of the players in the league can not be moved. Free agents who signed this summer aren't eligible to be moved until Dec 15th.

Still think we should move Bledsoe for a large expiring contract, some cash, and two future 1st round picks (3 to 5 years out). Then just waive DJJ or the player we bring in. We don't need a young prospect, we already have a bunch of those and we don't need a vet who is going to take time away from our young prospects.

Yep I'd sign up for that. I'm also on board with upping our offer to get a prized asset, as someone else mentioned, i.e. including Miami pick to get the Brooklyn pick or sweetening the NY deal if the FO really likes Ntilikina (but I'm not sure they do).

And I'm totally down for the patient approach, as frustrating as it will be. Last night's win was great but ultimately sitting Bledsoe is good for our draft position.

[bwoolf2]

I honestly would just move him straight up for future picks and im talking 2020's and salary cap filler we can cut immediately we have enough young guys that need playing time the last thing we need to do is eat up more of the time with some average player.

I don't want to keep getting picks years into the future. If those 20/21 picks pan out it would be like 2024 or 2025 before they were likely really good players. Tired of waiting. 2019 at the latest, but preferably useful players and either a young PG or C.

My question is what useful players do you think we are going to get and whos playing time should they take away from now? Jackson, Chriss, Bender, Booker?

Also we already have a bunch of picks this year how many more 19 and 20 year olds can we add?

[Wilber85]

If this goes past the weekend unresolved, and the FO sticks with the persona non grata with Eric, the NBPA is going to get involved. Phoenix's rep has already been sullied with the recent player "dramas" ...deserved or not. Make a deal soon or bring him back into the fold, is my stance.

Why would the NBPA get involved? The Suns are not fining him and the current CBA states that if a player publicly demands a trade that they can be fined. So under what conditions do you think that the NBPA is going to get involved?

My stance is to let that dude sit the rest of the year and not play! Why does he get to demand a trade? The team should be able to decide that.

These players need to get put into their place. Send him home with a paycheck and tell him to stay there

[mademan]

If this goes past the weekend unresolved, and the FO sticks with the persona non grata with Eric, the NBPA is going to get involved. Phoenix's rep has already been sullied with the recent player "dramas" ...deserved or not. Make a deal soon or bring him back into the fold, is my stance.

Why would the NBPA get involved? The Suns are not fining him and the current CBA states that if a player publicly demands a trade that they can be fined. So under what conditions do you think that the NBPA is going to get involved?

Bledsoe didnt publicly demand anything, and the Suns have suspended him. I'm not a Suns fan, but I'm actually very interested in what the Suns organization is able to do. They've already suspended Bledose for a cryptic tweet, which, right now, I dont think Bledsoe actually cares about because he thinks he's getting traded soon. But if he does make a complaint, I'm sure he and the NBPA have grounds.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If this goes past the weekend unresolved, and the FO sticks with the persona non grata with Eric, the NBPA is going to get involved. Phoenix's rep has already been sullied with the recent player "dramas" ...deserved or not. Make a deal soon or bring him back into the fold, is my stance.

Why would the NBPA get involved? The Suns are not fining him and the current CBA states that if a player publicly demands a trade that they can be fined. So under what conditions do you think that the NBPA is going to get involved?

Yeah, people are mentioning that on the General Board too. I don't see it. If that happens maybe we can have him sit on the bench or something since he's quiet anyway. He may refuse, and that's that.

And his effort level in the three games he played wouldn't help his cause either. I hope they deal him relatively soon just to put this mess behind them but doubt the PA will be an issue. Now making enemies of agents and players isn't a great move either so again I hope this happens soon.

Its so hard to gauge these situations as fans because we simply don't know what is being offered. Most of what we hear as rumors is leaked posturing by both sides.

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[bwgood77]

I honestly would just move him straight up for future picks and im talking 2020's and salary cap filler we can cut immediately we have enough young guys that need playing time the last thing we need to do is eat up more of the time with some average player.

I don't want to keep getting picks years into the future. If those 20/21 picks pan out it would be like 2024 or 2025 before they were likely really good players. Tired of waiting. 2019 at the latest, but preferably useful players and either a young PG or C.

My question is what useful players do you think we are going to get and whos playing time should they take away from now? Jackson, Chriss, Bender, Booker?

Also we already have a bunch of picks this year how many more 19 and 20 year olds can we add?

I don't know, but we still could use a PG of the future and a C of the future. If there is a possibility we can get either, or a tryout, it's worth it. Chandler and Len are playing our C minutes. I wouldn't mind if they both sat. That leaves Williams when he comes back. I don't think there is really any reason for Chandler to be getting minutes and unless we think we will re-sign Len, it's not really worth playing him much. I don't think Len is going to have much interest in staying here. Not too many players have played on the QO but those who have NEVER have stayed with that same team afterwards.

And as well as Ulis and James have looked, they are not our starting PGs of the future of a playoff team. We can't assume future draft picks will pan out either.

[TeamTragic]

I don't buy this Bledsoe value is low garbage. McD has come out on top in worse situations. Just wait until the trade deadline or until a team gets desperate.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Ok three of you say nothing (statement or action) would happen with the players union...guess I'm wrong. Accepted.

Another topic- Should we be mad at Eric? Granted it put the team in a pickle for him to tweet "I Dont want to be here", but weren't we all pretty much in agreement that the team under Watson was an absolute ****storm, and for all we know Bledsoe made this request...this statement to the team in private, a year ago. He should not have tweeted it, but keeping quiet was getting him nowhere except stuck in Sarver-ville. It wasn't good for the organization, but if he has been patiently waiting months and months for a trade, even sitting on the bench last year against his will...I have to grant him some sympathy.

[King4Day]

If this goes past the weekend unresolved, and the FO sticks with the persona non grata with Eric, the NBPA is going to get involved. Phoenix's rep has already been sullied with the recent player "dramas" ...deserved or not. Make a deal soon or bring him back into the fold, is my stance.

Why would the NBPA get involved? The Suns are not fining him and the current CBA states that if a player publicly demands a trade that they can be fined. So under what conditions do you think that the NBPA is going to get involved?

Bledsoe didnt publicly demand anything, and the Suns have suspended him. I'm not a Suns fan, but I'm actually very interested in what the Suns organization is able to do. They've already suspended Bledose for a cryptic tweet, which, right now, I dont think Bledsoe actually cares about because he thinks he's getting traded soon. But if he does make a complaint, I'm sure he and the NBPA have grounds.

Where did you read he was suspended? I heard he was sent home.
He didn't demand anything but he made his feelings clear. If he isn't part of the future, then it only makes sense to give his minutes to guys who will play.

[TeamTragic]

https://www.gofundme.com/SarverOut

GOAL REACHED

[bigfoot]

If this goes past the weekend unresolved, and the FO sticks with the persona non grata with Eric, the NBPA is going to get involved. Phoenix's rep has already been sullied with the recent player "dramas" ...deserved or not. Make a deal soon or bring him back into the fold, is my stance.

Why would the NBPA get involved? The Suns are not fining him and the current CBA states that if a player publicly demands a trade that they can be fined. So under what conditions do you think that the NBPA is going to get involved?

Bledsoe didnt publicly demand anything, and the Suns have suspended him. I'm not a Suns fan, but I'm actually very interested in what the Suns organization is able to do. They've already suspended Bledose for a cryptic tweet, which, right now, I dont think Bledsoe actually cares about because he thinks he's getting traded soon. But if he does make a complaint, I'm sure he and the NBPA have grounds.

1. He is not suspended ... he is being paid ... he is just not allowed to be with teammates or at the arena
2. What do the other players and coaches think about him not wanting to be in Phoenix ... would he be an outcast
3. He can't force the Suns to play him. He could be benched or placed on the inactive list ... awkward
4. Why risk a Bledsoe injury so that we can't trade him
5. We want to develop James and Ulis, players who want to be here ... not a malcontent like Bledsoe

This is the best thing for Bledsoe and definitely the best for Suns organization. He should just stay home and take his medicine until he gets the trade he wanted. Let hope it is to some loser eastern conference team like the Nets or Knicks. For goodness sake don't put him on a contending team.

[kennydorglas]

https://www.gofundme.com/SarverOut

GOAL REACHED

UNCLE BZ FTW

[Sunsfan12]

I don't buy this Bledsoe value is low garbage. McD has come out on top in worse situations. Just wait until the trade deadline or until a team gets desperate.

Exactly my thoughts. He got a first round pick for Markieff Morris for crying out loud.

[sunsbum]

https://www.gofundme.com/SarverOut

GOAL REACHED

This is the dumbest idea ever. Everyone wanted Watson gone, Bledsoe didn't want to be here, I'd say 75% of the suns posters here didn't really want him. So how does this fall on Sarvers lap?

[Jarlaxle0204]

There has been plenty of hate for just about everyone at any given time. Warren, Bledsoe, Bender, Chriss, Dragic, Thomas, Morris twins, Tucker, Len, Chandler, Knight.

I think only Sauce and Booker have escaped unscathed in recent times.

I feel like I've seen a decent amount of bad things said about Booker as well.