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bwgood77 wrote:Qwigglez wrote:Damkac wrote:If Kidd is the coach I don't even care if Suns win the lottery.
I know I won’t care who’s coaching if we win the lottery
Yeah, and if Kidd is coaching we may win it a few times in the next few years!
ATTL wrote:I'm getting back on the trae train if we drop to 4. He has good vision, willing passer, great range. Booker will give him room to operate.
#traetrain
JMac1 wrote:ATTL wrote:I'm getting back on the trae train if we drop to 4. He has good vision, willing passer, great range. Booker will give him room to operate.
#traetrain
It’s a four man draft. The overly critical made it a two man draft and an overall meh draft, when once it was a stacked draft?!?
Doncic Ayton Bagley And Young are stars and people can say they aren’t which really doesn’t matter, because their game will speak for itself.
Media and Fans and coaches and gms always miss in basketball because they over analyze with all of the BS stats. Football doesn’t have that crap and they miss way less than basketball.
Booker Mitchell Gobert Kahwi Giannis Jordan Gasol Draymond Brogdan Capela Covington Curry Klay.....that’s just the past few years off of the top of my head, insert missed.
Trae does something no one ever did and group think sweeps it under the rug. Some team is gonna get lucky and we will be complaining about JJJ like we do with Bender and Len. Two “top” 5 bigs.
Bagley Bridges Trae and Ayton performed this year. But but but but......excuses. Oh let me add Jamal Murray and Gary Harris to that list. I remember how bad I wanted Murray and people here thought I was crazy.
“We can’t draft him, our backcourt D will stink. He can’t play with Booker, They are redundant. Murray isn’t athletic enough. Murray isn’t a true PG. Murray is a poor mans whatever.......”
Teams aren’t unlucky, they are dumb!
JMac1 wrote:ATTL wrote:I'm getting back on the trae train if we drop to 4. He has good vision, willing passer, great range. Booker will give him room to operate.
#traetrain
It’s a four man draft. The overly critical made it a two man draft and an overall meh draft, when once it was a stacked draft?!?
Doncic Ayton Bagley And Young are stars and people can say they aren’t which really doesn’t matter, because their game will speak for itself.
Media and Fans and coaches and gms always miss in basketball because they over analyze with all of the BS stats. Football doesn’t have that crap and they miss way less than basketball.
Booker Mitchell Gobert Kahwi Giannis Jordan Gasol Draymond Brogdan Capela Covington Curry Klay.....that’s just the past few years off of the top of my head, insert missed.
Trae does something no one ever did and group think sweeps it under the rug. Some team is gonna get lucky and we will be complaining about JJJ like we do with Bender and Len. Two “top” 5 bigs.
Bagley Bridges Trae and Ayton performed this year. But but but but......excuses. Oh let me add Jamal Murray and Gary Harris to that list. I remember how bad I wanted Murray and people here thought I was crazy.
“We can’t draft him, our backcourt D will stink. He can’t play with Booker, They are redundant. Murray isn’t athletic enough. Murray isn’t a true PG. Murray is a poor mans whatever.......”
Teams aren’t unlucky, they are dumb!
JMac1 wrote:ATTL wrote:I'm getting back on the trae train if we drop to 4. He has good vision, willing passer, great range. Booker will give him room to operate.
#traetrain
It’s a four man draft. The overly critical made it a two man draft and an overall meh draft, when once it was a stacked draft?!?
Doncic Ayton Bagley And Young are stars and people can say they aren’t which really doesn’t matter, because their game will speak for itself.
Media and Fans and coaches and gms always miss in basketball because they over analyze with all of the BS stats. Football doesn’t have that crap and they miss way less than basketball.
Booker Mitchell Gobert Kahwi Giannis Jordan Gasol Draymond Brogdan Capela Covington Curry Klay.....that’s just the past few years off of the top of my head, insert missed.
Trae does something no one ever did and group think sweeps it under the rug. Some team is gonna get lucky and we will be complaining about JJJ like we do with Bender and Len. Two “top” 5 bigs.
Bagley Bridges Trae and Ayton performed this year. But but but but......excuses. Oh let me add Jamal Murray and Gary Harris to that list. I remember how bad I wanted Murray and people here thought I was crazy.
“We can’t draft him, our backcourt D will stink. He can’t play with Booker, They are redundant. Murray isn’t athletic enough. Murray isn’t a true PG. Murray is a poor mans whatever.......”
Teams aren’t unlucky, they are dumb!
MathiasPW wrote:Cherry picking much? There are just as many, if not more, college producers who turned out to be failures.
I get you are very high on those 4. But the logic to sustain that is flawed. There are no certain things, and no single college indicator paints the whole picture. I wosh it was that easy.
bwgood77 wrote:JMac1 wrote:ATTL wrote:I'm getting back on the trae train if we drop to 4. He has good vision, willing passer, great range. Booker will give him room to operate.
#traetrain
It’s a four man draft. The overly critical made it a two man draft and an overall meh draft, when once it was a stacked draft?!?
Doncic Ayton Bagley And Young are stars and people can say they aren’t which really doesn’t matter, because their game will speak for itself.
Media and Fans and coaches and gms always miss in basketball because they over analyze with all of the BS stats. Football doesn’t have that crap and they miss way less than basketball.
Booker Mitchell Gobert Kahwi Giannis Jordan Gasol Draymond Brogdan Capela Covington Curry Klay.....that’s just the past few years off of the top of my head, insert missed.
Trae does something no one ever did and group think sweeps it under the rug. Some team is gonna get lucky and we will be complaining about JJJ like we do with Bender and Len. Two “top” 5 bigs.
Bagley Bridges Trae and Ayton performed this year. But but but but......excuses. Oh let me add Jamal Murray and Gary Harris to that list. I remember how bad I wanted Murray and people here thought I was crazy.
“We can’t draft him, our backcourt D will stink. He can’t play with Booker, They are redundant. Murray isn’t athletic enough. Murray isn’t a true PG. Murray is a poor mans whatever.......”
Teams aren’t unlucky, they are dumb!
I recall you wanted Hield.
JMac1 wrote:MathiasPW wrote:Cherry picking much? There are just as many, if not more, college producers who turned out to be failures.
I get you are very high on those 4. But the logic to sustain that is flawed. There are no certain things, and no single college indicator paints the whole picture. I wosh it was that easy.
The point is paralysis by analysis. Nothing more nothing less. If I see another VROMP DRBT EFGg and all the rest of these analytics.
Cherry pick?!! Lmao! There are way more misses than hits.....Look at the chance of a top pick becoming an allstar compared to an NFL allpro chances.....
Too much analysis this we will be only happy with two picks or trade back because we are afraid to draft...that’s horse ****!
BobbieL wrote:JMac1 wrote:MathiasPW wrote:Cherry picking much? There are just as many, if not more, college producers who turned out to be failures.
I get you are very high on those 4. But the logic to sustain that is flawed. There are no certain things, and no single college indicator paints the whole picture. I wosh it was that easy.
The point is paralysis by analysis. Nothing more nothing less. If I see another VROMP DRBT EFGg and all the rest of these analytics.
Cherry pick?!! Lmao! There are way more misses than hits.....Look at the chance of a top pick becoming an allstar compared to an NFL allpro chances.....
Too much analysis this we will be only happy with two picks or trade back because we are afraid to draft...that’s horse ****!
Could the Suns pick Trae Young at 3 - sure? Could the Suns pick Bagley at 3 - sure
But what if the Suns are picking 3 and the Mavs are picking 4 and since the Mavs have Dennis Smith - maybe they do not have need for Young but would prefer Bagley. The Suns probably need Young more - is trading back to maybe dump a contract the worst thing - I know its a long shot but what if the Suns traded back to 4 in my scenario and got Wes Matthews for Brandon Knight to flip picks. Suns get a helluva cap space one year earlier - that has value. Like I said, a long shot but who knows how Donnie Nelson likes Bagley to pair with Powell and Smith.
Or maybe the Suns value Bamba and can get to 5? Just have to see the lottery and the teams before just saying trading back is being afraid. Maybe its understanding the market and the right player for the team.
Waylay13 wrote:JMac1 wrote:ATTL wrote:I'm getting back on the trae train if we drop to 4. He has good vision, willing passer, great range. Booker will give him room to operate.
#traetrain
It’s a four man draft. The overly critical made it a two man draft and an overall meh draft, when once it was a stacked draft?!?
Doncic Ayton Bagley And Young are stars and people can say they aren’t which really doesn’t matter, because their game will speak for itself.
Media and Fans and coaches and gms always miss in basketball because they over analyze with all of the BS stats. Football doesn’t have that crap and they miss way less than basketball.
Booker Mitchell Gobert Kahwi Giannis Jordan Gasol Draymond Brogdan Capela Covington Curry Klay.....that’s just the past few years off of the top of my head, insert missed.
Trae does something no one ever did and group think sweeps it under the rug. Some team is gonna get lucky and we will be complaining about JJJ like we do with Bender and Len. Two “top” 5 bigs.
Bagley Bridges Trae and Ayton performed this year. But but but but......excuses. Oh let me add Jamal Murray and Gary Harris to that list. I remember how bad I wanted Murray and people here thought I was crazy.
“We can’t draft him, our backcourt D will stink. He can’t play with Booker, They are redundant. Murray isn’t athletic enough. Murray isn’t a true PG. Murray is a poor mans whatever.......”
Teams aren’t unlucky, they are dumb!
For the most part they arent dumb they simply dont have the ability to see the future. The question with all of these players arent how they did in college but what are they going to be able to do differently in the NBA. What type of learning curve do they have and what is their willingness to continue to learn. There are players who never add a single new skill in the NBA and there are others who are always willing and working to add something new. Booker was only known as a spot up shooter in college and a 6th man who could come in and play off the ball. Today we see that him playing off the ball would be to take a lot of his effectiveness away.
JMac1 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:JMac1 wrote:
It’s a four man draft. The overly critical made it a two man draft and an overall meh draft, when once it was a stacked draft?!?
Doncic Ayton Bagley And Young are stars and people can say they aren’t which really doesn’t matter, because their game will speak for itself.
Media and Fans and coaches and gms always miss in basketball because they over analyze with all of the BS stats. Football doesn’t have that crap and they miss way less than basketball.
Booker Mitchell Gobert Kahwi Giannis Jordan Gasol Draymond Brogdan Capela Covington Curry Klay.....that’s just the past few years off of the top of my head, insert missed.
Trae does something no one ever did and group think sweeps it under the rug. Some team is gonna get lucky and we will be complaining about JJJ like we do with Bender and Len. Two “top” 5 bigs.
Bagley Bridges Trae and Ayton performed this year. But but but but......excuses. Oh let me add Jamal Murray and Gary Harris to that list. I remember how bad I wanted Murray and people here thought I was crazy.
“We can’t draft him, our backcourt D will stink. He can’t play with Booker, They are redundant. Murray isn’t athletic enough. Murray isn’t a true PG. Murray is a poor mans whatever.......”
Teams aren’t unlucky, they are dumb!
I recall you wanted Hield.
And Kamisky....what does that have to do over analyzing? People didn’t want players because of over analyzing is my point
BobbieL wrote:JMac1 wrote:MathiasPW wrote:Cherry picking much? There are just as many, if not more, college producers who turned out to be failures.
I get you are very high on those 4. But the logic to sustain that is flawed. There are no certain things, and no single college indicator paints the whole picture. I wosh it was that easy.
The point is paralysis by analysis. Nothing more nothing less. If I see another VROMP DRBT EFGg and all the rest of these analytics.
Cherry pick?!! Lmao! There are way more misses than hits.....Look at the chance of a top pick becoming an allstar compared to an NFL allpro chances.....
Too much analysis this we will be only happy with two picks or trade back because we are afraid to draft...that’s horse ****!
Could the Suns pick Trae Young at 3 - sure? Could the Suns pick Bagley at 3 - sure
But what if the Suns are picking 3 and the Mavs are picking 4 and since the Mavs have Dennis Smith - maybe they do not have need for Young but would prefer Bagley. The Suns probably need Young more - is trading back to maybe dump a contract the worst thing - I know its a long shot but what if the Suns traded back to 4 in my scenario and got Wes Matthews for Brandon Knight to flip picks. Suns get a helluva cap space one year earlier - that has value. Like I said, a long shot but who knows how Donnie Nelson likes Bagley to pair with Powell and Smith.
Or maybe the Suns value Bamba and can get to 5? Just have to see the lottery and the teams before just saying trading back is being afraid. Maybe its understanding the market and the right player for the team.
bwgood77 wrote:If you click on the picture twice you can see his top 25 rankings. If you click on spreadsheet link, you need to sort column P from A to Z by clicking on the top of the column.
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Doncic 5 points (2-7 FG) at HT.
BobbieL wrote:bwgood77 wrote:If you click on the picture twice you can see his top 25 rankings. If you click on spreadsheet link, you need to sort column P from A to Z by clicking on the top of the column.
Doncic by a pretty wide margin
