2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

[bwgood77]

So are next two games are against the Grizzlies and Rockets, both reeling ab it. Grizzlies just got crushed by the Thunder and I think the Rockets have lost 6 in a row. Always good to get Phoenix on the schedule when you need to right the ship.

[Saberestar]

Have you guys seen anything official announced about the Nurk trade? We haven't seen anything from the Charlotte side and it's starting to get awkward.

No, it's weird. This is a tweet from Nurkic.

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[BobbieL]

Have you guys seen anything official announced about the Nurk trade? We haven't seen anything from the Charlotte side and it's starting to get awkward.

Was just wondering this myself?

I am not sure if I want the Nurk deal to fall through or not from a Suns perspective

If the deal falls through, Suns get the pick back but are above the second apron and would still need to move Nurk this summer.

I would be okay with getting the pick back actually

[BobbieL]

Suns may get in with AD out probably at least a month. If more stars go down they may convince themselves they are good, still a playoff contender and to stay the course!

Houston, Dallas and GS tie for having played the toughest WC schedule so far, followed closely by Minnesota, so their schedules should be the easiest.

Memphis has played the easiest one now, followed by the Suns.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

The Mavs have played most of the season without Luka as it is.

Hopefully the Front Office doesn't delude themselves this summer and stay the course. Granted, I think it would only be Booker staying - unless he asks out. I think Durant will be traded

Now the Nurkic thing -- is the cap space more important or the pick? I kind of would be good getting the pick back

[bwgood77]

Suns may get in with AD out probably at least a month. If more stars go down they may convince themselves they are good, still a playoff contender and to stay the course!

Houston, Dallas and GS tie for having played the toughest WC schedule so far, followed closely by Minnesota, so their schedules should be the easiest.

Memphis has played the easiest one now, followed by the Suns.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

The Mavs have played most of the season without Luka as it is.

Hopefully the Front Office doesn't delude themselves this summer and stay the course. Granted, I think it would only be Booker staying - unless he asks out. I think Durant will be traded

Now the Nurkic thing -- is the cap space more important or the pick? I kind of would be good getting the pick back

I guess there is a silver lining either way but the space would allow more potential KD deals because we could send Grayson or someone else out with him, etc, if we are under the apron. Otherwise I'll take the pick.

[Saberestar]

Have you guys seen anything official announced about the Nurk trade? We haven't seen anything from the Charlotte side and it's starting to get awkward.

Here is the info.

Cody Martin’s sports hernia may be holding up the Hornets deal with the Phoenix Suns for Jusuf Nurkic, as the team reconsiders sending one of its few assets for a player who may not see the floor until for a while.

The trade will still most likely go through. Lee loves Nurkic's offensive capabilities and his "ability" to shoot the ball is exciting to him and his offense.

I saw the report that the trade is done.

https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/the-charlotte-hornets-trade-for-jusuf-nurkic-is-still-pending

[Saberestar]

Gambo confirms that the Nurkic's trade is done.

[Slim Charless]

Tell me you’re a punkazz, without telling me you’re a punkazz. but that’s ok dude. I wont knock you for your lack of exposure.

That show appealed to a very narrow scope of fans. Certainly not the majority of attendees or viewers. Guess this is what happens when they get rid of DEI

I think the majority of viewers were of the younger variety. Hence, why Kendric was there. If it were geared to older people, they would've booked Meryl Haggard or ACDC or whatever. They probably knew boomers were watching Matlock reruns or maybe the Andy Griffith Show.

Atta boy Snidely, what you think and what is are often very different. The tiniest bit of research shows that.

The half time show is geared to try to attract younger viewers not to entertain the actual ones. Networks realized this a few years back when the average age was steadily increasing. It’s all a ratings game. One big commercial engrained into our society/culture

Average age of viewers is 49.

That last part doesnt sound right, I'm gonna need you to show your work there Franklin. Use your Google machine and pull those numbers up for me.

TIA

[sunsbum]

I don't think there is collusion. I just think he got bamboozled, but at the same time lost patience with Luka and really wanted AD in particular.

Spoiler:

Yeah, I know that you personally don't believe there was any collusion involved. But aside from being entitled to your opinion, I just don't know how anyone could look at all the circumstances, connections, statements made, contextual circumstances of how everything played out, etc and come to such a conclusion that there's nothing shady about this trade. Or there's no collusion? I mean it is normal practice to intentionally hide the trade availability of Luka from literally every other NBA franchise and only broker a deal with the lakers GM Rob Pelinka whom Harrison just happened to have a deep friendship with as well as the lakers.

How often has an NBA GM willingly withheld the availability of their franchises generational franchise player knowing if they only made it known that he was available, around 90% of the entire league would field legitimate interest resulting in a much more lucrative offer being tendered?

By Harrison's own admission, he stated that he really only spoke with the lakers about Luka in a trade. And didn't even try to speak to any other teams. And the rest of the league was blindsided by the trade. So considering how Harrison kept Lukas' trade availability secret to the entire rest of the league, and really only let Pelinka know and then brokered a very favorable deal for him and the lakers without any other team even getting an opportunity to submit any offers, how is this not collusion?

Harrison decieved the rest of the NBA GMS/ TEAMS that otherwise might have fielded competitive or greater offers than what they recieved from LA just to ensure that his good friend Pelinka ended up with Luka even on a low value outcome offer ( pennies on the dollar) by comparison to what the Mavs would've gotten had the information on Doncics' availability not been kept secret. Is there a difference in what happened here and the very implicit definition of collusion man?

Regardless of your, and the majority of non-Laker fans view on this, the only thing that matters is is the two GMs did anything 'illegal', or in direct violation to NBA 'policies'. You are intimating to know the exact intent of Nico Harrison, as if his sole purpose was to help another team succeed over the rest of the league. But as has been put forth, it's entirely possible that he feels he got fair compensation for Luka. He may feel that AD, and Christie, together benefits the Mavericks more that Luka does, which, if you look at the Maverick's lack of standout success this season, prior to the trade, it's not entirely improbable.

I get it...it's a bummer for everyone else, but unless it can be proven that Nico did something wrong, we all just have to deal with it.

Luka has been hurt all year. Are you forgetting he’s dragged a bunch of trash tier players to the nba finals and playoffs on a regular basis?

[sunsbum]

I think the majority of viewers were of the younger variety. Hence, why Kendric was there. If it were geared to older people, they would've booked Meryl Haggard or ACDC or whatever. They probably knew boomers were watching Matlock reruns or maybe the Andy Griffith Show.

Atta boy Snidely, what you think and what is are often very different. The tiniest bit of research shows that.

The half time show is geared to try to attract younger viewers not to entertain the actual ones. Networks realized this a few years back when the average age was steadily increasing. It’s all a ratings game. One big commercial engrained into our society/culture

Average age of viewers is 49.

That last part doesnt sound right, I'm gonna need you to show your work there Franklin. Use your Google machine and pull those numbers up for me.

TIA

It was trash, he’s not wrong about that.

[thamadkant]

So are next two games are against the Grizzlies and Rockets, both reeling ab it. Grizzlies just got crushed by the Thunder and I think the Rockets have lost 6 in a row. Always good to get Phoenix on the schedule when you need to right the ship.

Rockets lost 5 or 6 in a row then won their last one last time I checked results.

They have speed and youth so I expect suns to struggle unless one of the suns scorers play way above their average.


Grizzlies should win comfortably however

[wheezy]

Pretty shtty Super Bowl… halftime included

[Slim Charless]

Atta boy Snidely, what you think and what is are often very different. The tiniest bit of research shows that.

The half time show is geared to try to attract younger viewers not to entertain the actual ones. Networks realized this a few years back when the average age was steadily increasing. It’s all a ratings game. One big commercial engrained into our society/culture

Average age of viewers is 49.

That last part doesnt sound right, I'm gonna need you to show your work there Franklin. Use your Google machine and pull those numbers up for me.

TIA

It was trash, he’s not wrong about that.

Game sucked. Halftime was awesomeness.

[Puff]

Tell me you're a boomer, without telling me you're a boomer. That show was **** awesome.

Game sucked tho

Tell me you’re a punkazz, without telling me you’re a punkazz. 8-) but that’s ok dude. I wont knock you for your lack of exposure.

That show appealed to a very narrow scope of fans. Certainly not the majority of attendees or viewers. Guess this is what happens when they get rid of DEI :lol:

I think the majority of viewers were of the younger variety. Hence, why Kendric was there. If it were geared to older people, they would've booked Meryl Haggard or ACDC or whatever. They probably knew boomers were watching Matlock reruns or maybe the Andy Griffith Show.

I do not know who you are getting your information from but what my boy was seeing on social media right after the performance it was being described as the WORST halftime show EVER. It that is incorrect, I stand corrected.

It might have gone over well with the younger crowd, but I hated it. I watched it all and could not understand a word Lamar was saying and did not understand what message he was trying to send. I do expect some folks loved it but my guess they are in the minority. Lamar just won a butt load of awards at the Grammys but I will not be buying or playing any of his music at the events I play music for. Those events are for the older crowd.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So if this is correct, We still can't drop below the 2nd apron even if we waive both of Martin/Micic? We'd still be 10 million to 15 million over. Anyone hav further clarification on this?

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

Yeah, I know that you personally don't believe there was any collusion involved. But aside from being entitled to your opinion, I just don't know how anyone could look at all the circumstances, connections, statements made, contextual circumstances of how everything played out, etc and come to such a conclusion that there's nothing shady about this trade. Or there's no collusion? I mean it is normal practice to intentionally hide the trade availability of Luka from literally every other NBA franchise and only broker a deal with the lakers GM Rob Pelinka whom Harrison just happened to have a deep friendship with as well as the lakers.

How often has an NBA GM willingly withheld the availability of their franchises generational franchise player knowing if they only made it known that he was available, around 90% of the entire league would field legitimate interest resulting in a much more lucrative offer being tendered?

By Harrison's own admission, he stated that he really only spoke with the lakers about Luka in a trade. And didn't even try to speak to any other teams. And the rest of the league was blindsided by the trade. So considering how Harrison kept Lukas' trade availability secret to the entire rest of the league, and really only let Pelinka know and then brokered a very favorable deal for him and the lakers without any other team even getting an opportunity to submit any offers, how is this not collusion?

Harrison decieved the rest of the NBA GMS/ TEAMS that otherwise might have fielded competitive or greater offers than what they recieved from LA just to ensure that his good friend Pelinka ended up with Luka even on a low value outcome offer ( pennies on the dollar) by comparison to what the Mavs would've gotten had the information on Doncics' availability not been kept secret. Is there a difference in what happened here and the very implicit definition of collusion man?

Regardless of your, and the majority of non-Laker fans view on this, the only thing that matters is is the two GMs did anything 'illegal', or in direct violation to NBA 'policies'. You are intimating to know the exact intent of Nico Harrison, as if his sole purpose was to help another team succeed over the rest of the league. But as has been put forth, it's entirely possible that he feels he got fair compensation for Luka. He may feel that AD, and Christie, together benefits the Mavericks more that Luka does, which, if you look at the Maverick's lack of standout success this season, prior to the trade, it's not entirely improbable.

I get it...it's a bummer for everyone else, but unless it can be proven that Nico did something wrong, we all just have to deal with it.

Luka has been hurt all year. Are you forgetting he’s dragged a bunch of trash tier players to the nba finals and playoffs on a regular basis?

Well first year he had KP and DFS. Second and third years (they beat us the 3rd time he made it) he those two and Brunson, then last year he had Kyrie, Lively, Gafford, PJ Washington and a bunch of good role players.

He's had star power help and good defensive guys and bigs with him.

[sunsbum]

Regardless of your, and the majority of non-Laker fans view on this, the only thing that matters is is the two GMs did anything 'illegal', or in direct violation to NBA 'policies'. You are intimating to know the exact intent of Nico Harrison, as if his sole purpose was to help another team succeed over the rest of the league. But as has been put forth, it's entirely possible that he feels he got fair compensation for Luka. He may feel that AD, and Christie, together benefits the Mavericks more that Luka does, which, if you look at the Maverick's lack of standout success this season, prior to the trade, it's not entirely improbable.

I get it...it's a bummer for everyone else, but unless it can be proven that Nico did something wrong, we all just have to deal with it.

Luka has been hurt all year. Are you forgetting he’s dragged a bunch of trash tier players to the nba finals and playoffs on a regular basis?

Well first year he had KP and DFS. Second and third years (they beat us the 3rd time he made it) he those two and Brunson, then last year he had Kyrie, Lively, Gafford, PJ Washington and a bunch of good role players.

He's had star power help and good defensive guys and bigs with him.

we clearly don’t see eye to eye on good role players. That’s like saying well book had Royce oniel and cam Payne

[bwgood77]

Luka has been hurt all year. Are you forgetting he’s dragged a bunch of trash tier players to the nba finals and playoffs on a regular basis?

Well first year he had KP and DFS. Second and third years (they beat us the 3rd time he made it) he those two and Brunson, then last year he had Kyrie, Lively, Gafford, PJ Washington and a bunch of good role players.

He's had star power help and good defensive guys and bigs with him.

we clearly don’t see eye to eye on good role players. That’s like saying well book had Royce oniel and cam Payne

Well Royce backed up DFS in Brooklyn. DFS is one of the better 3D guys in the league. I mean Kleber was always a pretty solid role player until more recently, Powell was not that good, but they had KP with those guys before they got LIvely and Gafford who are solid bigs. Dinwiddie decent Tim Hardaway ok.

Derrick Jones Jr was pretty good for them last year.

I mean they are not Ayton and Cam Johnson, but not bad.

[TeamTragic]

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So if this is correct, We still can't drop below the 2nd apron even if we waive both of Martin/Micic? We'd still be 10 million to 15 million over. Anyone hav further clarification on this?

I don't believe this is correct.