The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[BobbieL]

TBH - I dont think any team will be desperate for KD. I think the best we get is an overpaid contract + Filler, and a pick. That is about it

This is where I have been the whole time
Overpaid contracts that are expiring in 2026
a solid rotational piece
and picks

[Ghost of Kleine]

Suns probably are taking on Johnson and Barnes with Sochan in your trade - if that is your trade - is that correct?

It would depend on the ATL pick.

I need to check and see what the best one is, because that's the one I want. If its a subpar one then I might wanna switch out Vassel for Johnson.

Vassell really doesn't make sense if you still have Beal on the roster. That would be like $135m at shooting guard. And even if you move on from Beal - that is a lot of money for a back up 2G

I think the other deal makes more sense -- Sochan, the expirings and draft picks.

Of course what you're saying absolutely is correct man. Except that Vassell wouldn't be staying on our roster in such a trade. We'd obtain him for better value and then trade him elsewhere so we could increase our value return by getting other assets from whichever team gets Vassell.

I think that Vassell to the right team could return a couple of quality fillers and a solid 1st, maybe two?? Or possibly multiple 2nds??

[BobbieL]

It would depend on the ATL pick.

I need to check and see what the best one is, because that's the one I want. If its a subpar one then I might wanna switch out Vassel for Johnson.

Vassell really doesn't make sense if you still have Beal on the roster. That would be like $135m at shooting guard. And even if you move on from Beal - that is a lot of money for a back up 2G

I think the other deal makes more sense -- Sochan, the expirings and draft picks.

Of course what you're saying absolutely is correct man. Except that Vassell wouldn't be staying on our roster in such a trade. We'd obtain him for better value and then trade him elsewhere so we could increase our value return by getting other assets from whichever team gets Vassell.

I think that Vassell to the right team could return a couple of quality fillers and a solid 1st, maybe two?? Or possibly multiple 2nds??

I am not sure I trust Ishbia and Gregory to be able to handle a three team trade - seriously

[Ghost of Kleine]

Vassell really doesn't make sense if you still have Beal on the roster. That would be like $135m at shooting guard. And even if you move on from Beal - that is a lot of money for a back up 2G

I think the other deal makes more sense -- Sochan, the expirings and draft picks.

Of course what you're saying absolutely is correct man. Except that Vassell wouldn't be staying on our roster in such a trade. We'd obtain him for better value and then trade him elsewhere so we could increase our value return by getting other assets from whichever team gets Vassell.

I think that Vassell to the right team could return a couple of quality fillers and a solid 1st, maybe two?? Or possibly multiple 2nds??

I am not sure I trust Ishbia and Gregory to be able to handle a three team trade - seriously

That's also a very fair assessment of our situation man.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BobbieL]

Of course what you're saying absolutely is correct man. Except that Vassell wouldn't be staying on our roster in such a trade. We'd obtain him for better value and then trade him elsewhere so we could increase our value return by getting other assets from whichever team gets Vassell.

I think that Vassell to the right team could return a couple of quality fillers and a solid 1st, maybe two?? Or possibly multiple 2nds??

I am not sure I trust Ishbia and Gregory to be able to handle a three team trade - seriously

That's also a very fair assessment of our situation man.

I only say that because your logic makes total sense. Use him as a trade partner for another team. But I can see Ish/BG making the trade and figuring out Vassell later. When to me, if Vassell is a part of the trade - and it needs to involve the third team - less chance they try to "make it work"


I think today -- and who knows with the Knicks - the three biggest teams for Durant will be
TWolves
Rockets
Spurs

[Slim Charless]

It would depend on the ATL pick.

I need to check and see what the best one is, because that's the one I want. If its a subpar one then I might wanna switch out Vassel for Johnson.

Vassell really doesn't make sense if you still have Beal on the roster. That would be like $135m at shooting guard. And even if you move on from Beal - that is a lot of money for a back up 2G

I think the other deal makes more sense -- Sochan, the expirings and draft picks.

Of course what you're saying absolutely is correct man. Except that Vassell wouldn't be staying on our roster in such a trade. We'd obtain him for better value and then trade him elsewhere so we could increase our value return by getting other assets from whichever team gets Vassell.

I think that Vassell to the right team could return a couple of quality fillers and a solid 1st, maybe two?? Or possibly multiple 2nds??

[Saberestar]

According to Eurohoops, Sergio Scariolo will soon travel to the United States to interview with an NBA franchise, which has formally requested an interview with him for the coaching position.

If his arrival in the NBA is confirmed, Scariolo would take charge of a team in the world’s top league as a head coach (or associate head coach, something unclear at this point) for the first time, following his experience as an assistant with the Toronto Raptors (2018-2021). Currently, the only NBA franchise with a vacant head coaching position is the Phoenix Suns, who fired Mike Budenholzer on April 14 after a disappointing season.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-news/1831714/sergio-scariolo-to-meet-with-an-nba-team-spain/

I would like him as a associate head coach on the Suns.

[sunsbum]

Is there an SGA/PG trade out there for us? Sochan the next draymond? Jabari the next rashard lewis? Things can change quickly if we hit this trade with someone thats ready to blossom.

[Ghost of Kleine]

According to Eurohoops, Sergio Scariolo will soon travel to the United States to interview with an NBA franchise, which has formally requested an interview with him for the coaching position.

If his arrival in the NBA is confirmed, Scariolo would take charge of a team in the world’s top league as a head coach (or associate head coach, something unclear at this point) for the first time, following his experience as an assistant with the Toronto Raptors (2018-2021). Currently, the only NBA franchise with a vacant head coaching position is the Phoenix Suns, who fired Mike Budenholzer on April 14 after a disappointing season.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-news/1831714/sergio-scariolo-to-meet-with-an-nba-team-spain/

I would like him as a associate head coach on the Suns.

I've really liked him for a bit and remember mentioning him ad nauseam for awhile before we settled on Budenholzer. But agree with you man! He'd be a stellar hire as an associate coach for the Suns and hope that it comes to fruition.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Is there an SGA/PG trade out there for us? Sochan the next draymond? Jabari the next rashard lewis? Things can change quickly if we hit this trade with someone thats ready to blossom.

I like Frank's suggestion of Marcus Smart in a Washington trade. And think there's something that could be done there. Although, I just don't see them wanting Allen because they still already have all of Kispert, Poole, George, Johnson, etc on their roster. But do think something around maybe O'neale/ Richards/ CLE 27' 1st for Smart/ 46th pick could get a deal done!

[BobbieL]

Is there an SGA/PG trade out there for us? Sochan the next draymond? Jabari the next rashard lewis? Things can change quickly if we hit this trade with someone thats ready to blossom.

I like Frank's suggestion of Marcus Smart in a Washington trade. And think there's something that could be done there. Although, I just don't see them wanting Allen because they still already have all of Kispert, Poole, George, Johnson, etc on their roster. But do think something around maybe O'neale/ Richards/ CLE 27' 1st for Smart/ 46th pick could get a deal done!

GoK

The 2027 pick is the worst of all the Suns first rounders - is that why you are including it? Meaning it will probably be in the 20's

[BobbieL]

Is there an SGA/PG trade out there for us? Sochan the next draymond? Jabari the next rashard lewis? Things can change quickly if we hit this trade with someone thats ready to blossom.

That is the key - -getting a player that is ready to blossom. Maybe not to the level of SGA but maybe just a good solid starter - not all star necessarily but ready to take their game to a new level.

Who knows - maybe even the player they get as an expiring can be productive with Booker giving a better option than now.

[Slim Charless]

Is there an SGA/PG trade out there for us? Sochan the next draymond? Jabari the next rashard lewis? Things can change quickly if we hit this trade with someone thats ready to blossom.

I like Frank's suggestion of Marcus Smart in a Washington trade. And think there's something that could be done there. Although, I just don't see them wanting Allen because they still already have all of Kispert, Poole, George, Johnson, etc on their roster. But do think something around maybe O'neale/ Richards/ CLE 27' 1st for Smart/ 46th pick could get a deal done!

I don't think Marcus Smart is ready to blossom. He's old and will never be the same player he was.

Sunsbum is asking about young current NBA players that can blow up if they are finally given a chance to shine. Not to the level of Brunson, but in that vein.

To answer his question, I think both Jabari and especially Cam Whitmore can fill that void. I love Whitmore and would try and demand him in any trade involving Booker for sure but probably KD as well.

That guy is a walking bucket. Ime doesn't like him as he's just a scorer now and is more or less a Jalen Green player-but younger and MUCH cheaper.

[Frank Lee]

Is there an SGA/PG trade out there for us? Sochan the next draymond? Jabari the next rashard lewis? Things can change quickly if we hit this trade with someone thats ready to blossom.

I like Frank's suggestion of Marcus Smart in a Washington trade. And think there's something that could be done there. Although, I just don't see them wanting Allen because they still already have all of Kispert, Poole, George, Johnson, etc on their roster. But do think something around maybe O'neale/ Richards/ CLE 27' 1st for Smart/ 46th pick could get a deal done!

I don't think Marcus Smart is ready to blossom. He's old and will never be the same player he was.

Sunsbum is asking about young current NBA players that can blow up if they are finally given a chance to shine. Not to the level of Brunson, but in that vein.

To answer his question, I think both Jabari and especially Cam Whitmore can fill that void. I love Whitmore and would try and demand him in any trade involving Booker for sure but probably KD as well.

That guy is a walking bucket. Ime doesn't like him as he's just a scorer now and is more or less a Jalen Green player-but younger and MUCH cheaper.

Whitmore is the sneaky good get toss in if by some freak of a chance Houston wants KD. He a little undisciplined but also not yet 21.

Agree on Smart. He’ll be a back up to Carrington before the yr starts. We have no way to get him anyways. Unless we force KD there. Not likely. They do have a nice little core going if they can hit at #5

Minnesota may be hard to trade with as they too are a second apron team. I’d sure want Naz over Randle. Not sure how/if they can work that out.

Don’t underestimate the importance of getting and staying under the second apron. It might be a stretch (pun intended) but we can do it.

[BobbieL]

Is there an SGA/PG trade out there for us? Sochan the next draymond? Jabari the next rashard lewis? Things can change quickly if we hit this trade with someone thats ready to blossom.

I like Frank's suggestion of Marcus Smart in a Washington trade. And think there's something that could be done there. Although, I just don't see them wanting Allen because they still already have all of Kispert, Poole, George, Johnson, etc on their roster. But do think something around maybe O'neale/ Richards/ CLE 27' 1st for Smart/ 46th pick could get a deal done!

I don't think Marcus Smart is ready to blossom. He's old and will never be the same player he was.

Sunsbum is asking about young current NBA players that can blow up if they are finally given a chance to shine. Not to the level of Brunson, but in that vein.

To answer his question, I think both Jabari and especially Cam Whitmore can fill that void. I love Whitmore and would try and demand him in any trade involving Booker for sure but probably KD as well.

That guy is a walking bucket. Ime doesn't like him as he's just a scorer now and is more or less a Jalen Green player-but younger and MUCH cheaper.

Brooks Jabari Smith Londale (for cap reasons) Whitmore + FRP *2 for Durant -- would that work for you Slim?

I think this trade would help with the cap by $5-6m for apron purposes

[KdoubleDees23]

I would do

OG, Mitch Robinson and 2026 1st (Wizards top 10 protected), 1st 2026 (Their Own)

sign Russ Westbrook to Veteran Minimum

Trade Beal for something.

Westbrook, Beal, Walter Clayton Jr (Our Pick 2025)
Booker, Beal
OG, Allen
Dunn, O'Neale
Robinson, Richards, OSO

If anyone has ideas on who to trade Allen, O'Neal, or beal let me know!

[KdoubleDees23]

I like Frank's suggestion of Marcus Smart in a Washington trade. And think there's something that could be done there. Although, I just don't see them wanting Allen because they still already have all of Kispert, Poole, George, Johnson, etc on their roster. But do think something around maybe O'neale/ Richards/ CLE 27' 1st for Smart/ 46th pick could get a deal done!

I don't think Marcus Smart is ready to blossom. He's old and will never be the same player he was.

Sunsbum is asking about young current NBA players that can blow up if they are finally given a chance to shine. Not to the level of Brunson, but in that vein.

To answer his question, I think both Jabari and especially Cam Whitmore can fill that void. I love Whitmore and would try and demand him in any trade involving Booker for sure but probably KD as well.

That guy is a walking bucket. Ime doesn't like him as he's just a scorer now and is more or less a Jalen Green player-but younger and MUCH cheaper.

Brooks Jabari Smith Londale (for cap reasons) Whitmore + FRP *2 for Durant -- would that work for you Slim?

I think this trade would help with the cap by $5-6m for apron purposes

TBH KD won't get Brooks, Smith, Landale, whitemore and 2 FRP. He isn't worth that much anymore.

[BobbieL]

I would do

OG, Mitch Robinson and 2026 1st (Wizards top 10 protected), 1st 2026 (Their Own)

sign Russ Westbrook to Veteran Minimum

Trade Beal for something.

Westbrook, Beal, Walter Clayton Jr (Our Pick 2025)
Booker, Beal
OG, Allen
Dunn, O'Neale
Robinson, Richards, OSO

If anyone has ideas on who to trade Allen, O'Neal, or beal let me know!

My problem with a Beal trade is two fold since his contract is terrible:
1) what player(s) are you bringing back and how bad are their contracts. Though if they are broken up instead one contract at $53m you get three that total $53

2) What draft capital will you have to pay just to take on those crappy contracts

I get why Ishbia wants to stretch him - it saves him a LOT of money not paying - so if that is the choice over a bad trade using draft picks - I am good with it
My preference, since its not my money - see if he would take between $95-100m - buy him out and in two years you have him off the books

[KdoubleDees23]

I would do

OG, Mitch Robinson and 2026 1st (Wizards top 10 protected), 1st 2026 (Their Own)

sign Russ Westbrook to Veteran Minimum

Trade Beal for something.

Westbrook, Beal, Walter Clayton Jr (Our Pick 2025)
Booker, Beal
OG, Allen
Dunn, O'Neale
Robinson, Richards, OSO

If anyone has ideas on who to trade Allen, O'Neal, or beal let me know!

My problem with a Beal trade is two fold since his contract is terrible:
1) what player(s) are you bringing back and how bad are their contracts. Though if they are broken up instead one contract at $53m you get three that total $53

2) What draft capital will you have to pay just to take on those crappy contracts

I get why Ishbia wants to stretch him - it saves him a LOT of money not paying - so if that is the choice over a bad trade using draft picks - I am good with it
My preference, since its not my money - see if he would take between $95-100m - buy him out and in two years you have him off the books

I think the best thing would be to convince Beal to lead the bench team and be the 6th man, and stretch his contract.