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KdoubleDees23 wrote:Did dude just say MAGAish and not get booted?
Fo-Real wrote:KdoubleDees23 wrote:Did dude just say MAGAish and not get booted?
Not a peep from anyone running this ship should speak volumes to you!! Unwelcome and spit on, iis ok as long as the moral elite deem you less than..... or however politics work for some. Not a peep because it's a shared view.... "Here's what they think about you"..... ~Ice Cube
Sunsdeuce wrote:Fo-Real wrote:KdoubleDees23 wrote:Did dude just say MAGAish and not get booted?
Not a peep from anyone running this ship should speak volumes to you!! Unwelcome and spit on, iis ok as long as the moral elite deem you less than..... or however politics work for some. Not a peep because it's a shared view.... "Here's what they think about you"..... ~Ice Cube
Get off your high horse hero and practice what you preach. Worry about basketball.
Fo-Real wrote:Sunsdeuce wrote:Fo-Real wrote:
Not a peep from anyone running this ship should speak volumes to you!! Unwelcome and spit on, iis ok as long as the moral elite deem you less than..... or however politics work for some. Not a peep because it's a shared view.... "Here's what they think about you"..... ~Ice Cube
Get off your high horse hero and practice what you preach. Worry about basketball.
You are the main one one who constantly looses their ****. Slim tried yo come to your rescue. I gets it boss. Im gonna keep my mouth closed when I breath and not bother yall good folk, I knows how ya feels bout me and my kinds!! You are absolutely right and I'ze sorry.
Sunsdeuce wrote:[instagram][/instagram]Fo-Real wrote:Sunsdeuce wrote:Get off your high horse hero and practice what you preach. Worry about basketball.
You are the main one one who constantly looses their ****. Slim tried yo come to your rescue. I gets it boss. Im gonna keep my mouth closed when I breath and not bother yall good folk, I knows how ya feels bout me and my kinds!! You are absolutely right and I'ze sorry.
You stay obsessed with that. I’ll worry about what the Suns are gonna get in a trade and how the new coach is gonna work out.
Anyway, hoping Suns finish this KD trade in the next 48 hours.
RaisingArizona wrote:KdoubleDees23 wrote:RaisingArizona wrote::x OKC gets in on this with one more loss
OKC hates KD . They wouldn’t let him back
They'd get over it.
RaisingArizona wrote:BobbieL wrote:Spurs deal
Sochan
Barnes
14
Flip Vassell for Claxton or a center
Maybe Gifford and cap filler
2 instead of 14.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:The Miami trade is just straight garbage, and only with Ware is it remotely decent but still not great in comparison to the multiple offers currently suggested. I'd say it's maybe the 4th best offer currently.
Ware will be a decent center but hasn't really shown a whole lot yet! Robinson and Rozier are best only as expiring value for cap reduction. Jovic has been mediocre as well as Jacquez. And I'd probably prefer Pelle Larsen and Keshad Johnson over either of Jokic and Jacquez.
Because I can honestly tell you all that we could just as easily find near identical archetype prospects from the late stages of the 2nd round to the undrafted ranges too. After so that you have a borderline late 1st in the 20th pick.
So essentially you'd be getting one decent young unproven center prospect, a couple big expiring contracts a mediocre lesser filler and a late 1st in a relatively shallow draft?? This would be a loss in relation to the other multiple offers on the table. And honestly shouldn't be accepted over any of the other trades noted so far.
The very best trades we must pursue are:
1- Toronto.
Quickly or Barrett with Poetl AND THE 9TH PICK!!!
** Trade the 9th pick along with Barrett and Poetl to Brooklyn for Johnson/ Claxton/ 19th/ 26th and 36th picks.
2- Houston.
Some package of Green/ J Smith Jr/ Landale/ Whitmore/ 10th pick.
** Trade J Green to one of Brooklyn, Chicago or Charlotte for other pieces and picks.
3- Minnesota.
Gobert/ Di Vincenzo/ Dillingham/ 17th pick AND 31st picks.
** Trade Dillingham to one of Washington (for 18th pick), Utah (for 21st pick), Atlanta (for 22nd pick) New Orleans (for the 23rd pick) Brooklyn (for the 26th and 38th picks). Then trade some combo of O'neale and Allen or O'neale and Di Vincenzo for other assets and picks. And keep the other player.
4- San Antonio
IF Vassell/ Barnes AND Sochan, then just accept the 14th pick and two 2nds? If no Sochan and Keldon Johnson, then the ATL 27' 1st is required!
5- Miami.
Only IF Ware is the centerpiece in the trade. And the package should be.....................
Ware/ Robinson/ Rozier/ Jovic or Jacquez/ 20th pick/ MIA 28' 1st.
If any of our thresholds aren't met in these trades by Monday (at the latest)!! Then we need to immediately jump to trading KD to:
( trade KD to a team he may not want to go to for the hest package FOR US)!!!
1- Toronto (wildcard rental team).
Some combination of Quickly or Barrett/ Poetl/ filler/ 9th pick/ TOR future 1st. Simply the very best pick we could get back for KD!!
2- Atlanta.
Combo of Daniels or Johnson/ Mann/ filler/ 13th pick/ 22nd pick/ future 1st.
3- New Orleans.
For Zion/ Olynyk/ 23rd pick or Murray/ Herb Jones/ 23rd pick?
4- Boston.
For Porzingis with other fillers (Boston) going to other teams for draft assets that come back to Phoenix??
4- OKC.
For Hartenstein/ Caruso/ Dieng/ 15th pick/ 24th pick/ Utah 26' 1st.
OR
Memphis.
Clarke/ Konchar/ Huff/ GG Jackson/ Pullin/ 16th and 48th picks/ PHX 26' 1st (swap back)/ MEM 28' 1st.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:The Miami trade is just straight garbage, and only with Ware is it remotely decent but still not great in comparison to the multiple offers currently suggested. I'd say it's maybe the 4th best offer currently.
Ware will be a decent center but hasn't really shown a whole lot yet! Robinson and Rozier are best only as expiring value for cap reduction. Jovic has been mediocre as well as Jacquez. And I'd probably prefer Pelle Larsen and Keshad Johnson over either of Jokic and Jacquez.
Because I can honestly tell you all that we could just as easily find near identical archetype prospects from the late stages of the 2nd round to the undrafted ranges too. After so that you have a borderline late 1st in the 20th pick.
So essentially you'd be getting one decent young unproven center prospect, a couple big expiring contracts a mediocre lesser filler and a late 1st in a relatively shallow draft?? This would be a loss in relation to the other multiple offers on the table. And honestly shouldn't be accepted over any of the other trades noted so far.
The very best trades we must pursue are:
1- Toronto.
Quickly or Barrett with Poetl AND THE 9TH PICK!!!
** Trade the 9th pick along with Barrett and Poetl to Brooklyn for Johnson/ Claxton/ 19th/ 26th and 36th picks.
2- Houston.
Some package of Green/ J Smith Jr/ Landale/ Whitmore/ 10th pick.
** Trade J Green to one of Brooklyn, Chicago or Charlotte for other pieces and picks.
3- Minnesota.
Gobert/ Di Vincenzo/ Dillingham/ 17th pick AND 31st picks.
** Trade Dillingham to one of Washington (for 18th pick), Utah (for 21st pick), Atlanta (for 22nd pick) New Orleans (for the 23rd pick) Brooklyn (for the 26th and 38th picks). Then trade some combo of O'neale and Allen or O'neale and Di Vincenzo for other assets and picks. And keep the other player.
4- San Antonio
IF Vassell/ Barnes AND Sochan, then just accept the 14th pick and two 2nds? If no Sochan and Keldon Johnson, then the ATL 27' 1st is required!
5- Miami.
Only IF Ware is the centerpiece in the trade. And the package should be.....................
Ware/ Robinson/ Rozier/ Jovic or Jacquez/ 20th pick/ MIA 28' 1st.
If any of our thresholds aren't met in these trades by Monday (at the latest)!! Then we need to immediately jump to trading KD to:
( trade KD to a team he may not want to go to for the hest package FOR US)!!!
1- Toronto (wildcard rental team).
Some combination of Quickly or Barrett/ Poetl/ filler/ 9th pick/ TOR future 1st. Simply the very best pick we could get back for KD!!
2- Atlanta.
Combo of Daniels or Johnson/ Mann/ filler/ 13th pick/ 22nd pick/ future 1st.
3- New Orleans.
For Zion/ Olynyk/ 23rd pick or Murray/ Herb Jones/ 23rd pick?
4- Boston.
For Porzingis with other fillers (Boston) going to other teams for draft assets that come back to Phoenix??
4- OKC.
For Hartenstein/ Caruso/ Dieng/ 15th pick/ 24th pick/ Utah 26' 1st.
OR
Memphis.
Clarke/ Konchar/ Huff/ GG Jackson/ Pullin/ 16th and 48th picks/ PHX 26' 1st (swap back)/ MEM 28' 1st.
BobbieL wrote:Saberestar wrote:With Jake Fischer and Goodwill both saying Miami I am trying to think about the potential packages.
1) Duncan Robinson. I think he is undoubtedly in the offer because of the money savings.
2) Wiggins OR Rozier. One of them has to be in the offerbto match salaries. Wiggins has 2 years left, Rozier is expiring.
Wiggins obviously the better player. The Heat will try to trade us Rozier.
3) Ware, Jovic, Jaquez. I think that we are asking for two of them and the Heat just wants to give us one..Jaquez. Ware is the prize. We need to get AT LEAST Jovic.
4) Picks. The Heat probably just wants to give us #20 BUT we need to get another FRP. And a couple 2nds as a sweeteners would be great.
5) Optional. The Heat have other young players with less potential that can be added in the final trade. Pelle is one of them.
Their first offer IMO:
Duncan Robinson, Rozier, Jaquez and #20.
Their current offer after negotiations IMO:
Duncan Robinson, Wiggins, Jovic, #20 and another FRP.
What money savings from Robinson? If you think the Suns will save $8m of cap space, you are wrong. Either he counts $10m in the trade and the Suns waive him or he counts $18m and the Suns pay him. But he can't count $18m in the trade and than waived for the $10m option.
I think Wiggins has to be included - even thought not an expiring - he is signed through 2027 and is a decent enough player next to Booker.
bullsaficianado wrote:RaisingArizona wrote:BobbieL wrote:Spurs deal
Sochan
Barnes
14
Flip Vassell for Claxton or a center
Maybe Gifford and cap filler
2 instead of 14.
Spurs are not going to give us #2 for a 37 year old KD. Now if KD was 27 than yeah. I read they want to hold onto Vassell and Sochan so IMO a KD trade with them could be:
Johnson,Barnes,Branham,Champagnie, #14, #38, 2027 1st round pick.
Warspite wrote:Billups was a horrible scorer who could only score with an open corner 3 or a FT.
lilfishi22 wrote:One_and_Done wrote:Slim Charless wrote:
If they blow this on Sunday, its devastating and they absolutely would be down for a reunion.
If KD puts them on his list, then he's theirs most likely. I'll take Hartenstein, Caruso and 2 FRPs
That's just completely unrealistic. None of OKCs major pieces are going anywhere, and that includes Caruso and IH.
I think making the salary work without including one of their core pieces will be extremely difficult because I can't see us being particular interested in their other salaried pieces otherwise.
Technically you could get the salary to work with Dort, Isaiah Joe, Wiggins and Kenrich Williams but that's not exactly an enticing package, even with a couple of FRPs. And I also don't think OKC wants to trade 1/3 of their roster for KD.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:The Miami trade is just straight garbage, and only with Ware is it remotely decent but still not great in comparison to the multiple offers currently suggested. I'd say it's maybe the 4th best offer currently.
Ware will be a decent center but hasn't really shown a whole lot yet! Robinson and Rozier are best only as expiring value for cap reduction. Jovic has been mediocre as well as Jacquez. And I'd probably prefer Pelle Larsen and Keshad Johnson over either of Jokic and Jacquez.
Because I can honestly tell you all that we could just as easily find near identical archetype prospects from the late stages of the 2nd round to the undrafted ranges too. After so that you have a borderline late 1st in the 20th pick.
So essentially you'd be getting one decent young unproven center prospect, a couple big expiring contracts a mediocre lesser filler and a late 1st in a relatively shallow draft?? This would be a loss in relation to the other multiple offers on the table. And honestly shouldn't be accepted over any of the other trades noted so far.
The very best trades we must pursue are:
1- Toronto.
Quickly or Barrett with Poetl AND THE 9TH PICK!!!
** Trade the 9th pick along with Barrett and Poetl to Brooklyn for Johnson/ Claxton/ 19th/ 26th and 36th picks.
2- Houston.
Some package of Green/ J Smith Jr/ Landale/ Whitmore/ 10th pick.
** Trade J Green to one of Brooklyn, Chicago or Charlotte for other pieces and picks.
3- Minnesota.
Gobert/ Di Vincenzo/ Dillingham/ 17th pick AND 31st picks.
** Trade Dillingham to one of Washington (for 18th pick), Utah (for 21st pick), Atlanta (for 22nd pick) New Orleans (for the 23rd pick) Brooklyn (for the 26th and 38th picks). Then trade some combo of O'neale and Allen or O'neale and Di Vincenzo for other assets and picks. And keep the other player.
4- San Antonio
IF Vassell/ Barnes AND Sochan, then just accept the 14th pick and two 2nds? If no Sochan and Keldon Johnson, then the ATL 27' 1st is required!
5- Miami.
Only IF Ware is the centerpiece in the trade. And the package should be.....................
Ware/ Robinson/ Rozier/ Jovic or Jacquez/ 20th pick/ MIA 28' 1st.
If any of our thresholds aren't met in these trades by Monday (at the latest)!! Then we need to immediately jump to trading KD to:
( trade KD to a team he may not want to go to for the hest package FOR US)!!!
1- Toronto (wildcard rental team).
Some combination of Quickly or Barrett/ Poetl/ filler/ 9th pick/ TOR future 1st. Simply the very best pick we could get back for KD!!
2- Atlanta.
Combo of Daniels or Johnson/ Mann/ filler/ 13th pick/ 22nd pick/ future 1st.
3- New Orleans.
For Zion/ Olynyk/ 23rd pick or Murray/ Herb Jones/ 23rd pick?
4- Boston.
For Porzingis with other fillers (Boston) going to other teams for draft assets that come back to Phoenix??
4- OKC.
For Hartenstein/ Caruso/ Dieng/ 15th pick/ 24th pick/ Utah 26' 1st.
OR
Memphis.
Clarke/ Konchar/ Huff/ GG Jackson/ Pullin/ 16th and 48th picks/ PHX 26' 1st (swap back)/ MEM 28' 1st.
Slim Charless wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:One_and_Done wrote:That's just completely unrealistic. None of OKCs major pieces are going anywhere, and that includes Caruso and IH.
I think making the salary work without including one of their core pieces will be extremely difficult because I can't see us being particular interested in their other salaried pieces otherwise.
Technically you could get the salary to work with Dort, Isaiah Joe, Wiggins and Kenrich Williams but that's not exactly an enticing package, even with a couple of FRPs. And I also don't think OKC wants to trade 1/3 of their roster for KD.
Harty and Caruso would be expandable in a potential KD trade.
Also.....Chet for KD???
Warspite wrote:Billups was a horrible scorer who could only score with an open corner 3 or a FT.
One_and_Done wrote:Slim Charless wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I think making the salary work without including one of their core pieces will be extremely difficult because I can't see us being particular interested in their other salaried pieces otherwise.
Technically you could get the salary to work with Dort, Isaiah Joe, Wiggins and Kenrich Williams but that's not exactly an enticing package, even with a couple of FRPs. And I also don't think OKC wants to trade 1/3 of their roster for KD.
Harty and Caruso would be expandable in a potential KD trade.
Also.....Chet for KD???
Guys like Caruso are never expendable. They aren't giving you Hart either.
bullsaficianado wrote:RaisingArizona wrote:BobbieL wrote:Spurs deal
Sochan
Barnes
14
Flip Vassell for Claxton or a center
Maybe Gifford and cap filler
2 instead of 14.
Spurs are not going to give us #2 for a 37 year old KD. Now if KD was 27 than yeah. I read they want to hold onto Vassell and Sochan so IMO a KD trade with them could be:
Johnson,Barnes,Branham,Champagnie, #14, #38, 2027 1st round pick.
One_and_Done wrote:Slim Charless wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I think making the salary work without including one of their core pieces will be extremely difficult because I can't see us being particular interested in their other salaried pieces otherwise.
Technically you could get the salary to work with Dort, Isaiah Joe, Wiggins and Kenrich Williams but that's not exactly an enticing package, even with a couple of FRPs. And I also don't think OKC wants to trade 1/3 of their roster for KD.
Harty and Caruso would be expandable in a potential KD trade.
Also.....Chet for KD???
Guys like Caruso are never expendable. They aren't giving you Hart either.
One_and_Done wrote:Slim Charless wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I think making the salary work without including one of their core pieces will be extremely difficult because I can't see us being particular interested in their other salaried pieces otherwise.
Technically you could get the salary to work with Dort, Isaiah Joe, Wiggins and Kenrich Williams but that's not exactly an enticing package, even with a couple of FRPs. And I also don't think OKC wants to trade 1/3 of their roster for KD.
Harty and Caruso would be expandable in a potential KD trade.
Also.....Chet for KD???
Guys like Caruso are never expendable. They aren't giving you Hart either.
