2014 Draft Thread

[Revived]

If they draft the lesser of the Harrison twins, I'm gonna be pissed.

No more f***ing twins please. No more brothers also. Red flag any player that has a relative in the NBA cause it won't work out for the Suns.

[bwgood77]

I'd rather not rush a rebuild or make moves that make us good enough to make the playoffs as a 7/8 seed every year with no hope of moving up. Being stuck like the Bucks or Hawks as a perennial 4 and out team would be torture. If it only takes one or two more years of this then it will be worth it.

But if the team plays well enough to make the playoffs, then what? Are they supposed to purposely not play guys to miss the playoffs, just so it doesn't seem rushed?

I feel we have a bunch of hungry guys, really wanting to prove themselves, and possibly a coach as well. If they gel together, who knows what will happen? But I'm certainly not going to hope they lose just to have better odds at winning the lotto. I'd much rather have one of our current guys have a breakout year.

The way I look at it, Goran is solid, Gortat will be playing for a contract, Bledsoe the same and also to prove he is a starter, the Morris twin eithe have to step up or solidify their deep bench roles, Tucker always plays his hardest, Goodwin wants to prove himself and show that last year did not define him, and Len has to prove why some thought of him as the top pick. Overall, our main rotational guys all have something to prove, and we got rid of almost all of our dead weight. I'm becoming more and more optimistic about this season.

It's ok to live in la la land. I won't hold it against you.

[RunDogGun]

I'd rather not rush a rebuild or make moves that make us good enough to make the playoffs as a 7/8 seed every year with no hope of moving up. Being stuck like the Bucks or Hawks as a perennial 4 and out team would be torture. If it only takes one or two more years of this then it will be worth it.

But if the team plays well enough to make the playoffs, then what? Are they supposed to purposely not play guys to miss the playoffs, just so it doesn't seem rushed?

I feel we have a bunch of hungry guys, really wanting to prove themselves, and possibly a coach as well. If they gel together, who knows what will happen? But I'm certainly not going to hope they lose just to have better odds at winning the lotto. I'd much rather have one of our current guys have a breakout year.

The way I look at it, Goran is solid, Gortat will be playing for a contract, Bledsoe the same and also to prove he is a starter, the Morris twin eithe have to step up or solidify their deep bench roles, Tucker always plays his hardest, Goodwin wants to prove himself and show that last year did not define him, and Len has to prove why some thought of him as the top pick. Overall, our main rotational guys all have something to prove, and we got rid of almost all of our dead weight. I'm becoming more and more optimistic about this season.

It's ok to live in la la land. I won't hold it against you.

Cool, thanks. what was unrealistic about what I said? Goran has been solid since he has started, true or not true? Gortat is on a contract year, so is it a stretch to think he will play harder to get a better contract? Bledsoe will get his first real shot at starting for the season, and he always plays hard, true or not true? Tucker always plays hard, I won't even ask if that is true or not, it is true. Goodwin has already spoken about showing other teams what they passed on. The Morris twins have to either poop or get off the pot, this is their season to prove themselves, because we can just not give them a QO and let them walk.

I don't think Hornacek is going to play guys that aren't giving it their all, so what is wrong with hoping the team wins as many games they can?

What would be just as dreamy or la la, would be thinking we will win the lotto or the second pick, for in our history, we NEVER have won the lotto, and the second spot only twice in forty plus years. So "la la land" right back at you.

[bwgood77]

Cool, thanks. what was unrealistic about what I said? Goran has been solid since he has started, true or not true? Gortat is on a contract year, so is it a stretch to think he will play harder to get a better contract? Bledsoe will get his first real shot at starting for the season, and he always plays hard, true or not true? Tucker always plays hard, I won't even ask if that is true or not, it is true. Goodwin has already spoken about showing other teams what they passed on. The Morris twins have to either poop or get off the pot, this is their season to prove themselves, because we can just not give them a QO and let them walk.

I don't think Hornacek is going to play guys that aren't giving it their all, so what is wrong with hoping the team wins as many games they can?

What would be just as dreamy or la la, would be thinking we will win the lotto or the second pick, for in our history, we NEVER have won the lotto, and the second spot only twice in forty plus years. So "la la land" right back at you.

Goran is fairly solid. Bledsoe will play hard, but has never started, but even if he turns into KJ we dont have the shooters or finishers to complement him yet. I like Tucker as a player, but more of an energy guy off the bench. Gortat is an average center. Our two best players are average nba players at their position. No one else on our team is starter quality, except maybe Bledsoe, who is unproven.

It can be easy to be optimistic about an NBA team when you ONLY look at that team, and don't look at it in relation to other teams. Even teams such as Minnesota, Portland, Dallas and Denver, who will be fighting for the last playoff spots have either a big time star surrounded by some good VETERAN talent, or they have a ton of veteran depth.

I won't even mention the top six teams and how they will play against us, but when the Morris twins go up against guys like Dirk, Love and Aldridge, it will likely be very ugly. Our outside shooting will likely be dreadful. And as high of hopes as I have for Goodwin and Len, the veteran benches are going to be a wake up call for these guys. These guys are going to be in awe that they are on a court against guys they've watched growing up, and will likely get their ass handed to them.

Heck, even if we get Randle or Parker or Wiggins the next year and other exciting rookies, it will likely be more of the same as we build the team from the ground up. I mean OKC even with Durant was still one of the worst teams in the league and with him and Westbrook they were STILL one of the worst teams in the league.

Even two of the top 10 players in the league couldn't do too much in their first couple of years.

NBA competition is so much tougher than summer league or college that it will not only take a few years for young guys, but a lot of hard work for a few years.

There will be 11-12 teams in the west that will be significantly better than us. Even Sacramento and Utah's best young players have been in the league a few years playing significant time and will probably be tough matchups for our young players.

I think our games with Utah and Sacramento will be interesting games to watch, and tough matchups for most of the players except maybe Dragic and possibly Bledsoe (even Gortat has struggled against Favors and would probably struggle against Cousins).

The talent discrepancy in teams and our players is just too big. I won't be actively cheering for us to lose. I'd like to see some competitive fire, and see Hornacek and the young players hungry. I want to see hard work and improvement throughout the year from where they start, which I imagine will be pretty ugly.

[RunDogGun]

So you don't think Gortat will play harder during this contract year?

I think the coaching change is a huge part, that seems to undervalued.

I simple stated the hunger of the players on the roster and the optimism of that squad and coaching staff. I also feel that many teams will underestimate this team. If we run, we could do quite well. I'm not saying a top six team, but many of the teams you mentioned have vets that have gone through bad reoccurring injuries.

Things could be very interesting this year, and this constant " tanking" talk, is a slap in the face of our current players. I don't even want to look at next year's draft. Way too many variables for that perfect storm to happen.

But I don't think being positive about the players we have is anywhere near being unrealistic, or living in "la la land".

[ATTL]

If Gortat plays great this year it would be amazing. His value would increase and we might be able to get a return on him instead of losing him for nothing next summer when he moves to a team that will pay him. I doubt the Suns have any intention of retaining his services considering they drafted a center and acquired a few other bigs this summer that are capable of playing some minutes at the 5.


But back to the 2014 draft.

Randle is very explosive going toward the basket but his stand still leap seems less than extraordinary. He is definitely not Amare or Griffin at a stand still.

An interesting comparison for Aaron Gordon that I saw on the draft board was Shawn Marion. Obviously Gordon is more highly touted at this stage of development but Gordon needs to work on his ball skills and shooting to be what Shawn was for us. I would be interested in him if he could be a Matrix redux, depending on where we draft.

[TASTIC]

There are a lot of elite teams that could use Gortat, LOADS of contenders have extremely important Cs that he could at least partially replicate if need be. (Not listing the Heat...don't think they have the pieces nor the need, even if say Bosh went down).

CHI - If Noah went down, they'd need another big and Gortat is not on Noah's level but he'd allow Gibson to stay on the bench

IND - If anything happened to Hibbert I can't see them legitimately competing with Mahinmi as their starting C. We might even be able to snag their rookie

OKC - I'm sick to death of talking about this Perkins/Gortat trade lust, so yeah....next (obviously could happen)

SA - Just signed Splitter on a big deal, outside of him and Duncan they're a bit thin up front. Gortat looks like an SA kind of player too to be honest

LAC - This is the one that intrigues me - Deandre Jordan. He's on the hook for $11m or so this season, and $11.44m the next. Would anyone be against acquiring Jordan + a pick for Gortat? LAC gets better, albeit older and less athletic, but Gortat would give Paul another great PnR guy to play with.

Suns get the best athlete at C (just below Drummond maybe) who is also better defensively than offensively, and if it doesn't work, he's an expiring young big next season. There's also the Bledsoe connection, and Len has another year to develop if need be. He definitely fits what McD is trying to acquire, and I suspect the Clips would do it too.

It's not like he's JUST signed that ridiculous deal, nor is he flat out eating capspace like a corpse like Perkins.

[DRK]

If they draft the lesser of the Harrison twins, I'm gonna be pissed.

No more f***ing twins please. No more brothers also. Red flag any player that has a relative in the NBA cause it won't work out for the Suns.

That's terrible logic. I dont care if an NBA player has triplets and we draft all three of em. If they can ball, they can ball. Do you pass up a good prospect just because "he's a twin?" You take the best player you can whenever you can regardless of petty little issues like this.

We're under a new regime now anyway. To be honest I always thought the twin theory was rubbish anyway.

[RunDogGun]

If they draft the lesser of the Harrison twins, I'm gonna be pissed.

No more f***ing twins please. No more brothers also. Red flag any player that has a relative in the NBA cause it won't work out for the Suns.

That's terrible logic. I dont care if an NBA player has triplets and we draft all three of em. If they can ball, they can ball. Do you pass up a good prospect just because "he's a twin?" You take the best player you can whenever you can regardless of petty little issues like this.

We're under a new regime now anyway. To be honest I always thought the twin theory was rubbish anyway.

The twin thing is rubbish, I agree, but we have had an odd amount of twins. And I think we are the only team to have had a set of twins on the team twice (Van Arsdale and Morris). Isn't Dick still in our FO somewhere?

[Revived]

If they draft the lesser of the Harrison twins, I'm gonna be pissed.

No more f***ing twins please. No more brothers also. Red flag any player that has a relative in the NBA cause it won't work out for the Suns.

That's terrible logic. I dont care if an NBA player has triplets and we draft all three of em. If they can ball, they can ball. Do you pass up a good prospect just because "he's a twin?" You take the best player you can whenever you can regardless of petty little issues like this.

We're under a new regime now anyway. To be honest I always thought the twin theory was rubbish anyway.

Suns haven't had any luck with brothers in the past 10 years of so. I would rather us just pick someone who doesn't have any other siblings in the NBA.

[rsavaj]

If they draft the lesser of the Harrison twins, I'm gonna be pissed.

No more f***ing twins please. No more brothers also. Red flag any player that has a relative in the NBA cause it won't work out for the Suns.

That's terrible logic. I dont care if an NBA player has triplets and we draft all three of em. If they can ball, they can ball. Do you pass up a good prospect just because "he's a twin?" You take the best player you can whenever you can regardless of petty little issues like this.

We're under a new regime now anyway. To be honest I always thought the twin theory was rubbish anyway.

Suns haven't had any luck with brothers in the past 10 years of so. I would rather us just pick someone who doesn't have any other siblings in the NBA.

But it's not like they're picking these guys BECAUSE they're brothers. Correlation /=/ causation and all that jazz...

[phrazbit]

That's terrible logic. I dont care if an NBA player has triplets and we draft all three of em. If they can ball, they can ball. Do you pass up a good prospect just because "he's a twin?" You take the best player you can whenever you can regardless of petty little issues like this.

We're under a new regime now anyway. To be honest I always thought the twin theory was rubbish anyway.

Suns haven't had any luck with brothers in the past 10 years of so. I would rather us just pick someone who doesn't have any other siblings in the NBA.

But it's not like they're picking these guys BECAUSE they're brothers. Correlation /=/ causation and all that jazz...

Yep, the twin thing is rather humorous but all of those guys had their own perceived merits and were on draft boards around the league, its not like the Suns were alone in thinking Lopez and Morris were 1st round talents.

The only exception might be Blake Griffins brother... I think his name was Harpo Griffin. But he was a late second rounder so who cares.

[Frank Lee]

There are a lot of elite teams that could use Gortat, LOADS of contenders have extremely important Cs that he could at least partially replicate if need be. (Not listing the Heat...don't think they have the pieces nor the need, even if say Bosh went down)..............

Essentially the scenario you outlined for theG relies upon injury rather than performance. The existing market for theG is very slim. Of the few teams who need him now as an upgrade, most do not have the pieces to equate value. The inclusion of the LACs Jordan though is an interesting proposal. Thats a left fielder there... just the kind McDo has tossed in.

However, I won't be surprised at all to see us re-sign GORTAT, as his offers in free agency may not be as lucrative as what some think. If decent chemistry develops and the play of the squad is encouraging, he might even want to stay, much to the disdain of many tankers who have adopted this 'all in' attitude of suckage. I also accept the fact that talent wise, he is our best trade chip. But it should be noted there is not a big selection of dips on the table.

[Twuan89]

Do The Phoenix Suns Have A Shot At Getting Andrew Wiggins?

[LukasBMW]

Do The Phoenix Suns Have A Shot At Getting Andrew Wiggins?

Vegas odds are 20-25%

[Twuan89]

Do The Phoenix Suns Have A Shot At Getting Andrew Wiggins?

Vegas odds are 20-25%

For real?

I have a question for you? How did you get the "PHX" logo as your signature like that?, I like it its dope.

[Kerrsed]

Do The Phoenix Suns Have A Shot At Getting Andrew Wiggins?

Vegas odds are 20-25%

For real?

I have a question for you? How did you get the "PHX" logo as your signature like that?, I like it its dope.

I made a gif of it after i stole it from the end of this video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCgVBLBmd08[/youtube]


Here are some that i just made from more recent Suns into videos:

[LukasBMW]

Do The Phoenix Suns Have A Shot At Getting Andrew Wiggins?

Vegas odds are 20-25%

For real?

I have a question for you? How did you get the "PHX" logo as your signature like that?, I like it its dope.

Actually, I have no idea what the Vegas odds are, but it's pretty common knowledge that the Suns will be a bottom 4 team this year and thus probably have about a 25% chance of landing the top pick (Suns, Magic, 76ers are the likely worst teams in the league this year).

As for my sig, the one and only Kerrsed hooked me up.

[BurningHeart]

Actually, we'll only have a 25% chance of landing the top pick if we end up with the worst record.

[LukasBMW]

Actually, we'll only have a 25% chance of landing the top pick if we end up with the worst record.

Right, the team with the worst record gets a 25% chance.

The team with the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, best records get basically the same chance.

As long as we finish in the bottom 4, we essentially have a 1 in 4 (25% chance of getting the top pic). I realize this isn't a statistical guarantee as teams 5-13 also have a fraction of a chance if you look at the official lottery odds, but name a team in recent history that has gotten a top pick who DID NOT finish in the bottom 4. (HINT: Answer is not many.)