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Post#61 » by Revived » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:02 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Rewatching the draft.... two things that stand out to me at second glance. One is actually how BAD Lavine reaction is to getting picked by the wolves.... its EPIC..... actually says f me before hugging the first dude..... oh my god when getting his hat as the lady nervously tries to get him to act right..... then f me again before shaking the last guys hand at the table on his right.... the reactions on the faces of the people at tables around him is epic!! Second, I think David West was at the table with TJ Warren..... was the last dude to hug him before he is ushered off to the stage! Good person to learn work ethic from.

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Post#62 » by SILERtheDEFILER » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:11 pm

Warren and West actually dated back in the 90's
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Post#63 » by Fo-Real » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:14 pm

Would make west a chomo..... but... oh well. Question is where the love child.... dude gonna be a BEAST!!! LOL
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Post#64 » by NaturalBuns » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:10 pm

Did any of them have press interviews with the suns?
I can't find a video of it
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Post#65 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:40 am

NaturalBuns wrote:Did any of them have press interviews with the suns?
I can't find a video of it


Yup, but the audio majorly sucks. Seems one of the cameras that they kept switching to wasnt recording audio, just video.

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Post#66 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:43 am

Fo-Real wrote:Rewatching the draft.... two things that stand out to me at second glance. One is actually how BAD Lavine reaction is to getting picked by the wolves.... its EPIC..... actually says f me before hugging the first dude..... oh my god when getting his hat as the lady nervously tries to get him to act right..... then f me again before shaking the last guys hand at the table on his right.... the reactions on the faces of the people at tables around him is epic!!


Obviously the weather sucks but I wonder if he heard from his UCLA teammates that Shabazz is the worst teammate and that had anything to do with it.

There is a pretty good draft article on grantland from andrew sharp and it really talks about the LaVine reaction. It's pretty funny.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-d ... ns-randle/
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Post#67 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:53 am

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Fo-Real wrote:Rewatching the draft.... two things that stand out to me at second glance. One is actually how BAD Lavine reaction is to getting picked by the wolves.... its EPIC..... actually says f me before hugging the first dude..... oh my god when getting his hat as the lady nervously tries to get him to act right..... then f me again before shaking the last guys hand at the table on his right.... the reactions on the faces of the people at tables around him is epic!!


Obviously the weather sucks but I wonder if he heard from his UCLA teammates that Shabazz is the worst teammate and that had anything to do with it.

There is a pretty good draft article on grantland from andrew sharp and it really talks about the LaVine reaction. It's pretty funny.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-d ... ns-randle/


Him and his agent both admitted that he said "F**k me!", but his agent tried to spin it as not being a diss towards being drafted by the Wolves, but just the emotion finally setting in that he finally reached his dream of making it in the NBA. He (LaVine) then went on to say the same thing, which is all BS. He was pissed. It wasnt just what he said, and the fact that he said it twice, but the look on his face for a solid 45 seconds until he was on stage with Silver.

I believe that we gave him a promise and would have taken him at #14 and promised Warren we would take him if he was still there at #18.
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Post#68 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:02 am

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Fo-Real wrote:Rewatching the draft.... two things that stand out to me at second glance. One is actually how BAD Lavine reaction is to getting picked by the wolves.... its EPIC..... actually says f me before hugging the first dude..... oh my god when getting his hat as the lady nervously tries to get him to act right..... then f me again before shaking the last guys hand at the table on his right.... the reactions on the faces of the people at tables around him is epic!!


Obviously the weather sucks but I wonder if he heard from his UCLA teammates that Shabazz is the worst teammate and that had anything to do with it.

There is a pretty good draft article on grantland from andrew sharp and it really talks about the LaVine reaction. It's pretty funny.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-d ... ns-randle/


Him and his agent both admitted that he said "F**k me!", but his agent tried to spin it as not being a diss towards being drafted by the Wolves, but just the emotion finally setting in that he finally reached his dream of making it in the NBA. He (LaVine) then went on to say the same thing, which is all BS. He was pissed. It wasnt just what he said, and the fact that he said it twice, but the look on his face for a solid 45 seconds until he was on stage with Silver.

I believe that we gave him a promise and would have taken him at #14 and promised Warren we would take him if he was still there at #18.


Oh yeah, I knew he was pissed and the picture in the Sharp article pretty much shows him headplanting on the table. I don't think we would have taken him over Warren though. But it makes sense if he was all set to go to Phx that he would have been extra pissed.
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Post#69 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:04 am

Well, the day of the draft there were two rumors, one was that we gave LaVine a promise and the 2nd one was that we gave Warren a promise. I believe both of them were true.
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Post#70 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:06 am

Kerrsed wrote:Well, the day of the draft there were two rumors, one was that we gave LaVine a promise and the 2nd one was that we gave Warren a promise. I believe both of them were true.


I never saw the LaVine promise. I'm glad we didn't take him. Too raw and too similar to Goodwin. Of course three years down the line I may disagree with myself on that one.
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Post#71 » by BurningHeart » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:02 am

**** that Lavine guy and his attitude. Who the hell does he think he is? Jabroni should be happy he's even sniffing an NBA locker room. Millions of people would love to be in his shoes.

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Post#72 » by NaturalBuns » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:16 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Well, the day of the draft there were two rumors, one was that we gave LaVine a promise and the 2nd one was that we gave Warren a promise. I believe both of them were true.


I never saw the LaVine promise. I'm glad we didn't take him. Too raw and too similar to Goodwin. Of course three years down the line I may disagree with myself on that one.


He said he had two workouts with PHX.
In which PHX denied and said they only had one..
13th pick comes one away from PHX and you get the "**** me" reaction..
He probably was going to be a sun
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Post#73 » by Bulk » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:32 am

I take LaVine reaction as a compliment to be honest with you, he surely wanted to be a Suns player and I believe we are the right fit for him like he probably thinks as well. It's good to be wanted, it's a sign that current FO/coaching staff/players effort and culture is recognized.

But I'm not sure if we'd take him if he was available @14. Guess we'll never know.
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Post#74 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:13 am

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T.J. Warren

With the 14th pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, the Phoenix Suns selected T.J. Warren from North Carolina State. Last season, Warren contributed 24.9 points (third in the nation), 7.1 rebounds, 1.1 assists and 1.8 steals while shooting 52.5 percent from the field. He was the ACC Player of the Year and named a second team All-American by the Associated Press and the Sporting News.

Warren is 6’8, has a 6’10 wingspan and weighs 220 lbs. He is not a great athlete, but he knows how to effectively utilize the athleticism he does have. With his size and skill-set, Warren can play both forward positions, which can create mismatches for opponents, especially in an up-tempo offense such as the Suns’.

Warren’s best attribute right now is his ability to score the ball. He is a very fluid, smooth player who has great scoring touch around the rim (where he shot 70 percent last season). With Eric Bledsoe (if retained) and Goran Dragic alongside him, Warren should have plenty of opportunities to attack the rim in transition, which is a big part of his game.

“Their style fits my game pretty well,” Warren said after being picked by Phoenix. “Transition and fastbreak, that’s my game. I like to get up and down and run.”

In addition, Warren is good at moving without the ball, and cutting to the basket. This part of his game also works well within the Suns’ offensive system, which is based on a heavy dose of pick-and-rolls and weak-side movement.

While Warren is a tough cover from mid-range and at the rim, he is a poor shooter from three-point range (26.7 percent), which is something he will need to address moving forward. His shooting mechanics are not bad, so with proper coaching Warren should be able to develop into a solid threat from beyond-the-arc. Though Warren won’t be knocking down a ton of three-pointers in his first season with the Suns, head coach Jeff Hornacek believes he will still be able to contribute.

“He’s such a great scorer, he’s not going to have to rely on the three-point shot,” Hornacek said. “He’ll be able to move without the ball and catch it on the move. When he moves he’s very slick, and he knows when to get the ball up or take an extra dribble and take it up. He has a great feel for the game offensively.”

Warren’s best performances last season came in back-to-back games, scoring 41 points against Pittsburgh and 42 points against Boston College. These games highlighted Warren at his best, especially the game against Boston College. In that game, Warren went 14-of-23 from the field, 14-of-17 from free throw line and also grabbed 13 rebounds. He did not attempt any three pointers, and instead did his damage in transition, off backdoor cuts and with midrange floaters.

While Warren is a talented offensive player, his defensive skills need some work. He is not great at guarding opposing players in isolation, but he is a solid team defender. He also plays passing lanes well, evidenced by his 1.8 steals per game. In addition, Warren showed improved defensive skills in his workout for the Suns prior to the draft. After Warren’s workout, Hornacek said: “The question for him wasn’t the scoring part, it was the defense. I thought he did a great job defensively. Getting his hand on the ball, he was better than I anticipated from watching tape.” The ability to play the passing lanes will be especially important in Phoenix, where the team is always looking to create transition opportunities.

While some may argue that Warren was drafted in a position that is representative of where he stands in comparison to his peers, it is not unreasonable to think he could end up being one of the top players to emerge from this draft years down the line. Keep in mind that opposing defenses geared up to stop Warren, which led to him taking a lot of tough, contested shots. Warren will be on a team that could feature Bledsoe, Dragic, Gerald Green, Channing Frye, the Morris twins and other talented players. This should keep defenses from loading up on him like they did in college. Add to this the possibility that Warren could become a three-point shooter down the line, and you start to see how effective of a player he could be as a pro, especially with a team like the Suns that will utilize and maximize his talents.

Players like Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker and Joel Embiid will likely be the top players to come out of this draft, yet there is room for Warren to establish himself as a steal at 14 in hindsight. Players like Nik Stauskas, Noah Vonleh, Elfrid Payton, Dario Saric and Zach LaVine have great potential, but they are not locks to be great players several years from now. Warren has that same great potential, but his ability to score is almost certain to translate to the NBA.

Warren may not be the best player to come out of this draft, but several years from now, we will wonder how he was not picked higher. Credit the Suns for recognizing what he can do, and not overly criticizing him for what he currently cannot do. Suns general manager Ryan McDonough is assembling an impressive core of young players in Phoenix, and in Warren he got the steal of the draft.

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Post#75 » by Cutter » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:37 am

SILERtheDEFILER wrote:Warren and West actually dated back in the 90's

Wait Warren is 20 and was born in 1993. Is West his dad or something? They couldn't have had a basketball connection in the 90's, Warren was to young.
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Post#76 » by charley barkles » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:11 am

I'm not worried about his 3pt percentage. It's not hard to develop a decent corner 3, which is all we really need... (See Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker). Then again, Grant Hill never really developed that part of his game.

I think with Hornacek and how young Warren is, he should be able to add that to his game.

No one is really talking about this, but I'm excited about his 7 rebounds and 2 steals per game.

Someone wrote it somewhere, but I can't remember where (I feel like all I've been doing is reading suns info the last few days)... But his game kind of reflects Cedric Ceballos.

He might not be the leader Tucker is, but I think he will be a big upgrade talent wise on all levels.


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Post#77 » by Revived » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:23 am

Kerrsed wrote:
NaturalBuns wrote:Did any of them have press interviews with the suns?
I can't find a video of it


Yup, but the audio majorly sucks. Seems one of the cameras that they kept switching to wasnt recording audio, just video.

http://www.nba.com/suns/draft-2014

I really want to watch a good version of that. Did you watch it? Do you know if they asked Ennis or McD anything about how the Raptors were trying to get him and how Ennis would have felt playing for his home country?
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Post#78 » by Revived » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:26 am

charley barkles wrote:I'm not worried about his 3pt percentage. It's not hard to develop a decent corner 3, which is all we really need... (See Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker). Then again, Grant Hill never really developed that part of his game.

I think with Hornacek and how young Warren is, he should be able to add that to his game.

No one is really talking about this, but I'm excited about his 7 rebounds and 2 steals per game.

Someone wrote it somewhere, but I can't remember where (I feel like all I've been doing is reading suns info the last few days)... But his game kind of reflects Cedric Ceballos.

He might not be the leader Tucker is, but I think he will be a big upgrade talent wise on all levels.


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No we really need much more from our SF than just corner 3s. If you watched even a bit of last season, the fact that we had the most offensive adept starting forwards in the West was one of the reasons we fell short of making playoffs despite guys like Dragic, Bledsoe, Green and Kieff all having career years.

I want a SF that can actually be relied on to score other just chucking corner 3s and I hope Warren is able to provide that.
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Post#79 » by Krush32 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:40 am

Im so happy we got Warren. Some people on here are saying dont pick him because he cant shoot and only Dragic and Bledsoe should have the ball and he NEEDS to be able to knock down threes. Thats what we had last year, but towards the end of the season those threes werent falling as frequently. I dont think it means we need a better shooter really...I think you can put Warren there and when you kick out to him you will see him do his magic. He seemed pretty unstoppable with only a step on his man, but I think hes gonna have more room to work now that he isnt being targeted with double teams.

Imagine Dragic penetrating and Warrens man helps stop the penetration. You find Warren and he can get a high percentage shot whether it be a 8 ft floater or baseline dunk. Last year, your only option would be a PJ Tucker 3 pointer because PJ doesnt have the skills to put the ball on the floor and maneuver to the hoop.

How many times did we see PJ try to lead the break and take a bad shot or turn the ball over trying to make a play? TJ is pretty much automatic in transition. He has that same type of transition game as Kevin Durant but not as long. Idk how but he gets up and down the court pretty fast for a bigger guy.
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Post#80 » by BurningHeart » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:50 am

Bulk wrote:I take LaVine reaction as a compliment to be honest with you, he surely wanted to be a Suns player and I believe we are the right fit for him like he probably thinks as well. It's good to be wanted, it's a sign that current FO/coaching staff/players effort and culture is recognized.

But I'm not sure if we'd take him if he was available @14. Guess we'll never know.


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