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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#61 » by letsgosuns » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:43 am

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matt131 wrote:
Well, at least we get one last shot. I for some reason can't see us moving Dragic if we get LeBron. But that would most likely be up to LeBron, so who knows.




My guesstimate

Lebron says yes scenario
1. Dragic, Morris brothers, 2015 wolves pick to Wolves for Love
2. Bledsoe resigned
3. Pau Gasol signed for 3 years 30 million
4. Ray Allen signed for 2 years for LLE
5. Tucker resigned

Lebron says no scenario
1. Deng for 3 years 35 million
2. Tucker signed and traded to either Grizzlies, Pistons
3. Green plus 2015 suns pick for Ryan Anderson
4. Ennis for Terrence Ross

In both scenarios Suns plan to have young players to play heaps of minutes as bench/back ups.


If we trade Dragic and the twins for Love we can't afford 1 max contract let alone another 10m for Pau...


Well the Suns currently have 33.5 million dollars in cap space right now. Dragic and the Morris Brothers combine to make 13.7 million dollars. Kevin love makes 15.7 million dollars. So if the Suns traded them for Love, they would still have 31.5 million dollars in available cap space. A max for lebron is 20.7 million, so that leaves 10.8 for other free agents, which they could theoretically give to Pau.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#62 » by Frank Lee » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:45 am

BertMacklin wrote:ray ray's last post is unsettling


I'm headed to the lobby bar. Don't expect anything tonight ... Not enough limelight left in the eve.

James in Dragic out? Or James in Dragic in?
So James in... Bledsoe signed... Dragic traded for ? Then we'd still have a chunk to sign another pricey FA.

Oh brother. Seems like a more realistic scenario than the latter.

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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#63 » by BobbieL » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:46 am

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DarkHawk wrote:I forgot about Anderson. I wonder if that rumored deal from last week with Green and change for Anderson is still on the table and we can do it at any time.


I think the Suns will want a low post scorer if LeBron is not signed. Not a guy like Anderson

I think its Pau Gasol - two years 26m. Can pass out of the double team, score in the low box, good mentor

Without lebron. No way gasol would sign with us.


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Depends on if he wants to make the $25m over two years or four years. I agree, OKC makes the most sense from a winning standpoint - they can only offer the MLE. Lakers - well, if they get Melo - they can offer more. Granted, even if they don't get Melo - they can offer a sizable amount
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#64 » by BobbieL » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:48 am

letsgosuns wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
1UPZ wrote:


My guesstimate

Lebron says yes scenario
1. Dragic, Morris brothers, 2015 wolves pick to Wolves for Love
2. Bledsoe resigned
3. Pau Gasol signed for 3 years 30 million
4. Ray Allen signed for 2 years for LLE
5. Tucker resigned

Lebron says no scenario
1. Deng for 3 years 35 million
2. Tucker signed and traded to either Grizzlies, Pistons
3. Green plus 2015 suns pick for Ryan Anderson
4. Ennis for Terrence Ross

In both scenarios Suns plan to have young players to play heaps of minutes as bench/back ups.


If we trade Dragic and the twins for Love we can't afford 1 max contract let alone another 10m for Pau...


Well the Suns currently have 33.5 million dollars in cap space right now. Dragic and the Morris Brothers combine to make 13.7 million dollars. Kevin love makes 15.7 million dollars. So if the Suns traded them for Love, they would still have 31.5 million dollars in available cap space. A max for lebron is 20.7 million, so that leaves 10.8 for other free agents, which they could theoretically give to Pau.


If the Suns are trading for Kevin Love - they are taking back a crappy contract like Martin or maybe a combo like Budinger/Barea. But probably Martin as he has three years left.

So, IF the Suns are trading for Love - I can see it being something like this

Love and Martin for
Morris Twins
Dragic - unless Bledsoe wants to get paid!
The lakers pick
give back the Minnesota pick
and possibly another number 1 from the Suns
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#65 » by sunsbum » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:49 am

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ChrisInAZ wrote:
What happened to the "bumpy ride" acoming?


It hasn't been very long since that post was made.

You people need to stop talking **** about Ray Ray.

#1) He's verified. There's a process that he goes through to prove the legitimacy of him and his sources.

#2) Many other insiders have came and went because they were treated like crap by spoiled, **** fans criticizing and doubting them.

#3) Ray Ray's posts are vague for a reason. Sometimes it's all he can divulge, sometimes it's all he has. Even if there's nothing specific, just having a general idea of which way the wind appears to be blowing at the moment is inside info enough.

You guys are spoiled brats. Enjoy the fact that we're lucky enough to have someone who has even a semblance of a connection to share with us. My goodness.
I don't want to start any beef with you or anything but every single post you make is so goddamn "cryie". We have every right to be a sceptic just as you do to take a bullet for him if you so desire. Sheesh.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#66 » by sunsbum » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:53 am

With that said I'll leave the ray ray super scoop insider thing alone from now on
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#67 » by RaisingArizona » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:55 am

Only way I could see Goran being shipped out is for Love since we have a PF vacancy. Even then, I'm not sure I like that trade so much. I'd like to see Goran here next year...
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#68 » by NaturalBuns » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:57 am

From Minnesota perspective though
What does dragic give them?

A guy who can opt out and walk after one season?
That's exactly what love is going to do. Find it hard for that to happen
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#69 » by letsgosuns » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:58 am

BobbieL wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
If we trade Dragic and the twins for Love we can't afford 1 max contract let alone another 10m for Pau...


Well the Suns currently have 33.5 million dollars in cap space right now. Dragic and the Morris Brothers combine to make 13.7 million dollars. Kevin love makes 15.7 million dollars. So if the Suns traded them for Love, they would still have 31.5 million dollars in available cap space. A max for lebron is 20.7 million, so that leaves 10.8 for other free agents, which they could theoretically give to Pau.


If the Suns are trading for Kevin Love - they are taking back a crappy contract like Martin or maybe a combo like Budinger/Barea. But probably Martin as he has three years left.

So, IF the Suns are trading for Love - I can see it being something like this

Love and Martin for
Morris Twins
Dragic - unless Bledsoe wants to get paid!
The lakers pick
give back the Minnesota pick
and possibly another number 1 from the Suns


First off, that is way too much to give up for Kevin Love. When you add the three draft picks, that is six players including the Suns best player right now and their best interior scorer. Secondly, there is no possible way I would ever consider taking back Kevin Martin. That contract is horrible and I think he is nothing more than a bench player. If that is what they demand, pass on that trade 1000%. No way Love is worth all that AND having to be burdened by Martin's contract. Minnesota was the team stupid enough to give him that contract so they have to live with it. I am sure Ryan McDonough is not interested in taking on dead weight contracts.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#70 » by DirtyDez » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:58 am

letsgosuns wrote:Well the Suns currently have 33.5 million dollars in cap space right now. Dragic and the Morris Brothers combine to make 13.7 million dollars. Kevin love makes 15.7 million dollars. So if the Suns traded them for Love, they would still have 31.5 million dollars in available cap space. A max for lebron is 20.7 million, so that leaves 10.8 for other free agents, which they could theoretically give to Pau.


11m in cap-holds bruh...
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#71 » by Frank Lee » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:59 am

Haha on the RayRay debate... He could be a janitor at the FO, searching through all the crumpled paper for all we know :-) I remember one 'insider' who's Claim was living in the same complex as stat... Granted his best story was catching Stat stealing his paper

Still tasty tidbits all the same.

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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#72 » by BurningHeart » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:03 am

sunsbum wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:
What happened to the "bumpy ride" acoming?


It hasn't been very long since that post was made.

You people need to stop talking **** about Ray Ray.

#1) He's verified. There's a process that he goes through to prove the legitimacy of him and his sources.

#2) Many other insiders have came and went because they were treated like crap by spoiled, **** fans criticizing and doubting them.

#3) Ray Ray's posts are vague for a reason. Sometimes it's all he can divulge, sometimes it's all he has. Even if there's nothing specific, just having a general idea of which way the wind appears to be blowing at the moment is inside info enough.

You guys are spoiled brats. Enjoy the fact that we're lucky enough to have someone who has even a semblance of a connection to share with us. My goodness.
I don't want to start any beef with you or anything but every single post you make is so goddamn "cryie". We have every right to be a sceptic just as you do to take a bullet for him if you so desire. Sheesh.


It's not about taking a bullet for him. It's about you and others ignoring what forum moderators have said time and time again regarding him.

It's exhausting. You can be a skeptic all you want but the fact of the matter is that he and his sources have been verified and that constant criticism and bombardment has run off insider sources in the past and we're on the verge of some groundbreaking stuff as a franchise and you guys want to throw away the only guy on the board that can get us even a peek at what's going on inside the front offices at the moment.

By constantly doubting Ray, you're taking a dump on Kerrsed, Tastic, and the rest of the crew here.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#73 » by letsgosuns » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:03 am

DirtyDez wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Well the Suns currently have 33.5 million dollars in cap space right now. Dragic and the Morris Brothers combine to make 13.7 million dollars. Kevin love makes 15.7 million dollars. So if the Suns traded them for Love, they would still have 31.5 million dollars in available cap space. A max for lebron is 20.7 million, so that leaves 10.8 for other free agents, which they could theoretically give to Pau.


11m in cap-holds bruh...


No I am including the cap holds, especially with Frye no longer having a cap hold on the team. His was almost 10 million. Look at this quote from the Yahoo article last week: "The Suns have $33.5 million in salary-cap space and could shed the next $10 million needed to sign James and Anthony to maximum contracts without unloading the young core of guards Eric Bledsoe and Goran Dragic and center Miles Plumlee that pushed the franchise to 48 victories in the Western Conference last season."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/suns-to-pu ... 46302.html
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#74 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:04 am

NaturalBuns wrote:From Minnesota perspective though
What does dragic give them?

A guy who can opt out and walk after one season?

I would love to trade Dragic for Love and then resign Dragic next year.

We keep trading him for assets and then resign him. :lol:
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#75 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:07 am

NapoleonII wrote:I honestly don't think Love/Lebron + Bledsoe and a bunch of youngin's is enough to beat the Spurs, OKC, GS or the Clippers.

Perhaps not this season
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#76 » by JJ13 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:07 am

What the hell is going on with Melo? Total silence
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2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#77 » by Sunsdeuce » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:09 am

Suddenly everything is quiet. Twitter is dead. It's like the quiet before the storm.


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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#78 » by NaturalBuns » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:11 am

Bucks board is high on Bledsoe.
But the price they think they can get him for :banghead:
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A's over Royals. Lester and experience will prove that he's worth the trade.

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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#79 » by alamin330 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:12 am

JJ13 wrote:What the hell is going on with Melo? Total silence


Melo is waiting on bosh to leave so he can sign with Miami
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 4: Is The Dream Over? 

Post#80 » by JJ13 » Tue Jul 8, 2014 1:13 am

@TheSharkVK: I will bet ANYONE $1000 that Lebron will be a Cav. Email me at info@vegaskillers.com if you are interested. Retweet Please

...no idea who this is, 125k followers. Would love for him to lose thousands of dollars.

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