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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 3 

Post#61 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:34 pm

NotTraxxe wrote:Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.


I don't think Dragic would commit (why would he?) and I don't think Love would either (why would he?) so it would be a gamble both ways. Dragic would have to be assured he would get the 30% max or like $80 million over 4 years, or maybe even a 5 year deal worth over $100 to consider it I'd think.

I think the only way Bledsoe would agree to a S&T to a team like Milwaukee or Minnesota is if we held firm at 4/48 and he would rather get 4/63 going to one of those places.

Bledsoe has zero leverage at this point. To get the best deal possible he may have to sign with Milwaukee for like 4/52 and we will match. If they can dump Ilyasova they could give him the full max though, so he could do that and we could match or attempt a S&T but they really don't have very good assets.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 3 

Post#62 » by BobbieL » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:34 pm

NotTraxxe wrote:Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.



Wiggins is going to Minnesota - Cleveland will cave eventually. Hell, I have zero reason why they didn't say yes, and buy Wiggins a big coat. Love has proven he can play in the NBA. Wiggins has proven he can play in the Summer League - Hello!

As for the Suns and Bledsoe - I forget about waiting for a contract. The Suns with his Bird Rights can go over the cap - make the deal front loaded for this year. So that future years, you can take advantage of this year. Offer him something higher than Lowery but less than Hayward. Four years 55m give or take. Push as much as legally possible to this year as the Suns are fine as far as the lux tax.

And move forward. Get the guy signed and than figure out a trade
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 3 

Post#63 » by spanishninja » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:43 pm

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NotTraxxe wrote:Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.



Wiggins is going to Minnesota - Cleveland will cave eventually. Hell, I have zero reason why they didn't say yes, and buy Wiggins a big coat. Love has proven he can play in the NBA. Wiggins has proven he can play in the Summer League - Hello!

As for the Suns and Bledsoe - I forget about waiting for a contract. The Suns with his Bird Rights can go over the cap - make the deal front loaded for this year. So that future years, you can take advantage of this year. Offer him something higher than Lowery but less than Hayward. Four years 55m give or take. Push as much as legally possible to this year as the Suns are fine as far as the lux tax.

And move forward. Get the guy signed and than figure out a trade


Wiggins will need a coat either way. Cleveland is pretty cold too.
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Post#64 » by BobbieL » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:50 pm

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BobbieL wrote:
NotTraxxe wrote:Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.



Wiggins is going to Minnesota - Cleveland will cave eventually. Hell, I have zero reason why they didn't say yes, and buy Wiggins a big coat. Love has proven he can play in the NBA. Wiggins has proven he can play in the Summer League - Hello!

As for the Suns and Bledsoe - I forget about waiting for a contract. The Suns with his Bird Rights can go over the cap - make the deal front loaded for this year. So that future years, you can take advantage of this year. Offer him something higher than Lowery but less than Hayward. Four years 55m give or take. Push as much as legally possible to this year as the Suns are fine as far as the lux tax.

And move forward. Get the guy signed and than figure out a trade


Wiggins will need a coat either way. Cleveland is pretty cold too.



Good point!!

I wonder if Cleveland thinks they are putting their best offer forward of overrated first round pick plus overrated first round pick plus a future non lottery pick for Love - IF media is right. Granted, if its Windhorst or Broussary that is more like Blowhard Dee and Blowhard Dumb
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 3 

Post#65 » by DragonBladeSuns » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:54 pm

Bledsoe could use his 3.7 mil qualifying offer than become a unrestricted free agent in the 2015/2016 off season and go to Miami...... He had that dinner right?
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Post#66 » by ShawnBronald » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:56 pm

DragonBladeSuns wrote:Bledsoe could use his 3.7 mil qualifying offer than become a unrestricted free agent in the 2015/2016 off season and go to Miami...... He had that dinner right?


Yeah.... uh...... sure. :roll:
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Post#67 » by BobbieL » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:08 pm

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DragonBladeSuns wrote:Bledsoe could use his 3.7 mil qualifying offer than become a unrestricted free agent in the 2015/2016 off season and go to Miami...... He had that dinner right?


Yeah.... uh...... sure. :roll:


Bledsoe would be waling away from $50m. I am sure the Suns would give him four years 54m - or something close - maybe he is turning down 44m in that scenario if he got the Lowery contract.
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Post#68 » by NaturalBuns » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:12 pm

DragonBladeSuns wrote:Bledsoe could use his 3.7 mil qualifying offer than become a unrestricted free agent in the 2015/2016 off season and go to Miami...... He had that dinner right?


If he did he will be traded
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Post#69 » by DragonBladeSuns » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:15 pm

4 years 48 million try n front load it a little bit, add interest, and add a 1 million dollar bonus if he makes the allstar game each year. Lowry didn't get a max most PGs aren't getting them. Unless ur Kyrie and your overrated. Bledsoes marketing value would be good here to especially with our backcourt and how good and popular it will be this year.
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Post#70 » by DragonBladeSuns » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:16 pm

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Post#71 » by kanetrain33 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:16 pm

ShawnBronald wrote:
DragonBladeSuns wrote:Bledsoe could use his 3.7 mil qualifying offer than become a unrestricted free agent in the 2015/2016 off season and go to Miami...... He had that dinner right?


Yeah.... uh...... sure. :roll:


I don't see this happening. Bledsoe has been injury prone. One more knee injury this year and his value will plummet forever. He'd be rolling the dice in a big way and I don't see that happening.

On the radio today Hornacek said Bledsoe is out there looking for an offer. He also repeated that the Suns intend to match or come to terms before he signs with someone else. I think the market for Bledsoe is less than what he originally thought/wanted and that is why it is taking so long. Otherwise, he probably would have signed an offer sheet already or come to terms with the Suns.

The only way the Suns might not match an offer is if Bledsoe signs an untradeable, max, backloaded contract with someone else. But what team is going to do that? Those contracts are toxic and cost you money and assets to move down the road (Jeremy Lin or Omer Asik). Bledsoe is not a "sure thing" given his injuries and lack of experience. That's the rub with Bledsoe ... other teams likely worry that they could get stuck with an injury prone, inexperienced guard on a huge unmovable deal. That is the kiss of death in the NBA, especially for smaller franchises.

Summary: Other teams will want to be cautious and measured with their offers to EB. But if they are cautious, then the Suns can (and will) easily match any offer.

Now that I have typed this out, I expect a max offer from the sixers in 3...2...1... ha ha.
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Post#72 » by DragonBladeSuns » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:19 pm

The sixers gm is content with rebuilding for life..... He's only trading his own players for picks. Sam Hinkie wouldn't offer a max unless you are a top 10 player that's just how he is. But a 4 year 40-44 mil contract I could see but the suns could give him more for the same 4 year 40-44 mil range cause of interest and a possible bonus.
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Post#73 » by DragonBladeSuns » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:21 pm

Whatever we give Bledsoe we gotta give Dragic.. If they play around all 82 games this year there stats will be to similar. I'm worried about green next year how much would we be willing to give him. I think he's a guy that could get traded at this upcoming deadline.
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Post#74 » by JJ13 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:23 pm

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Post#75 » by Sreister » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:23 pm

DragonBladeSuns wrote:Whatever we give Bledsoe we gotta give Dragic.. If they play around all 82 games this year there stats will be to similar. I'm worried about green next year how much would we be willing to give him. I think he's a guy that could get traded at this upcoming deadline.


I don't see Green being traded unless it's right now. We have his BEST year he'll every likely to have this year as it is his contract year. We get what we can out of him at 3.5 mil and let him walk. He is going to get a payday, why not let him earn it for us?
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Post#76 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:24 pm

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ShawnBronald wrote:
DragonBladeSuns wrote:Bledsoe could use his 3.7 mil qualifying offer than become a unrestricted free agent in the 2015/2016 off season and go to Miami...... He had that dinner right?


Yeah.... uh...... sure. :roll:


I don't see this happening. Bledsoe has been injury prone. One more knee injury this year and his value will plummet forever. He'd be rolling the dice in a big way and I don't see that happening.

On the radio today Hornacek said Bledsoe is out there looking for an offer. He also repeated that the Suns intend to match or come to terms before he signs with someone else. I think the market for Bledsoe is less than what he originally thought/wanted and that is why it is taking so long. Otherwise, he probably would have signed an offer sheet already or come to terms with the Suns.

The only way the Suns might not match an offer is if Bledsoe signs an untradeable, max, backloaded contract with someone else. But what team is going to do that? Those contracts are toxic and cost you money and assets to move down the road (Jeremy Lin or Omer Asik). Bledsoe is not a "sure thing" given his injuries and lack of experience. That's the rub with Bledsoe ... other teams likely worry that they could get stuck with an injury prone, inexperienced guard on a huge unmovable deal. That is the kiss of death in the NBA, especially for smaller franchises.

Summary: Other teams will want to be cautious and measured with their offers to EB. But if they are cautious, then the Suns can (and will) easily match any offer.

Now that I have typed this out, I expect a max offer from the sixers in 3...2...1... ha ha.


You can't sign back loaded contract unless you consider a max contract with 4.5% raises back loaded. They could do something like Dallas did with Parsons by giving him an opt out and a big trade kicker, but I think we'd still match.

The point is, no one can give him the max but Philly, and I think they'd rather have the cap space and remain as terrible as possible for now.

On another note, here is a piece of Zach Lowe's new column on the Suns...nothing we don't know, but thought some might like to see his perspective of our moves.

Channing Frye was a crucial part of Phoenix’s go-go fun last season, but the Suns correctly concluded he’d be hard to move on a four-year, $32 million contract — especially given his age and health issues. Both Morris twins can play a rangy power forward, and P.J. Tucker can slide there in quicker lineups.

Paying Tucker more than $5 million per year over three seasons7 was a bit much, especially after declining to pay Frye a bit more; Tucker can’t dribble, he can really only shoot 3s from the corners, and he’s merely a good defender. But he’s the heart of the team, he can play multiple positions, and Tucker’s deal is easier to move than Frye’s.

Phoenix straight stole Isaiah Thomas on a four-year, $27 million contract, and it’s probably best to pump the brakes on the idea that they have too many point guards now — assuming they match any offer for Bledsoe. Phoenix starts two of them, which is unusual and requires elite depth at the position, and the Thomas signing gives them leverage navigating Bledsoe’s free agency now and Dragic’s next summer. Tyler Ennis, one of the team’s first-round draft picks, will likely spend a lot of time in the D-League.

All of these guys are trade chips, and the Suns still have their eye on Love — and any other prime star who might become available. The bottom line is that the Suns got a really good player at a really good price, and that’s a smart thing.


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Post#77 » by DragonBladeSuns » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:25 pm

Humps overpaid... He will go good along side the polish "can't make a layup"hamer.

There wanna be suns backcourt needs shooters not rebounders and scrapers.....
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Post#78 » by JJ13 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:26 pm

DragonBladeSuns wrote:Humps overpaid... He will go good along side the polish "can't make a layup"hamer.

There wanna be suns backcourt needs shooters not rebounders and scrapers.....


Probably insurance for Nene, feel like he was always injured last year
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 3 

Post#79 » by DragonBladeSuns » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:26 pm

Sreister wrote:
DragonBladeSuns wrote:Whatever we give Bledsoe we gotta give Dragic.. If they play around all 82 games this year there stats will be to similar. I'm worried about green next year how much would we be willing to give him. I think he's a guy that could get traded at this upcoming deadline.


I don't see Green being traded unless it's right now. We have his BEST year he'll every likely to have this year as it is his contract year. We get what we can out of him at 3.5 mil and let him walk. He is going to get a payday, why not let him earn it for us?


He will but were gonna have to resign the Morris twins down the road as well. Can't have one without the other I'm just thinking about the future... I could see him taking a bargain since we gave him a chance. Green is worth as much as Swaggy ps contract.

But obv the Morris twins will take cheaper deals to stay together.
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Post#80 » by asudevil » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:28 pm

NaturalBuns wrote:
DragonBladeSuns wrote:Bledsoe could use his 3.7 mil qualifying offer than become a unrestricted free agent in the 2015/2016 off season and go to Miami...... He had that dinner right?


If he did he will be traded


Didn't we already go through this. Wasn't the dinner Deng not Bledsoe? The twitter guy retracted

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