Horny's Zero Tech Tolerance

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think it was fine to implement the policy because the T's were getting ridiculous. Now some point soon they will need to drop this get one and not play anymore policy; can't do it all year.

[Revived]

What sucks is that for the Suns, its our best players who pick up techs for arguing with refs. Whether its Kieff, Dragic or Bledsoe.

It would actually be a blessing in disguise if Green, Marcus or Plumlee were the ones to pick up techs for arguing with refs but it rarely ever is.

[Saberestar]

It is a great idea. It is amazing how these guys are complaining every **** call ...it is ridiculous and boring. They have to respect the officials or go out to play in some extreme minor league so they can play without refs...

[Cutter]

I've said it in the game thread already, we were second in technicals last season, first this season. So after 120+ games of your coaching tenure you decide you have to do something about it? Of course no one is gonna listen now. This is on you, the coach.
I thought the same when he made the comment about his player not following his carefully crafted game plan, well that is on you, the coach, as well if your players don't listen.

Obviously I do agree that something needs to be done about it- I've been complaining about it on the forum for quite a while now - and better late than never, but it should have happened after 40 games at the most and not 120.

+100.

Here's Hornacek's quote after the game, seems like he thinks this is the only option to stop the techs.

"It's driving us all crazy with the technicals, and we're going to get it straight, whether they like it or not," Hornacek said. "We're not just in this for this year. This is for the next few years and trying to be a team that in a couple years can try to win a championship. Until we show these referees that we're not going to argue, we're going to continue to do this. It's aggravating. We're arguing on calls that we even get. So what else can we do besides this? These guys got enough technicals as it is. I'll take the blame for the loss for not playing them."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /22328309/

I haven't taken the time to look so I'll ask the question. Who last year and this year is getting the most Techs? My eye test says it's the twins. I know Tucker gets his fair share as well, plus Bledsoe early in the year got several. However, it seems like ever since we traded for Marcus and the twins were reunited they are somewhat out of control running their mouth on the court. I don't remember Markieff being like this when he was by himself on the team. It is only when his twin joined that they both became $hit-talkers on the court.

[Revived]

I've said it in the game thread already, we were second in technicals last season, first this season. So after 120+ games of your coaching tenure you decide you have to do something about it? Of course no one is gonna listen now. This is on you, the coach.
I thought the same when he made the comment about his player not following his carefully crafted game plan, well that is on you, the coach, as well if your players don't listen.

Obviously I do agree that something needs to be done about it- I've been complaining about it on the forum for quite a while now - and better late than never, but it should have happened after 40 games at the most and not 120.

+100.

Here's Hornacek's quote after the game, seems like he thinks this is the only option to stop the techs.

"It's driving us all crazy with the technicals, and we're going to get it straight, whether they like it or not," Hornacek said. "We're not just in this for this year. This is for the next few years and trying to be a team that in a couple years can try to win a championship. Until we show these referees that we're not going to argue, we're going to continue to do this. It's aggravating. We're arguing on calls that we even get. So what else can we do besides this? These guys got enough technicals as it is. I'll take the blame for the loss for not playing them."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /22328309/

I haven't taken the time to look so I'll ask the question. Who last year and this year is getting the most Techs? My eye test says it's the twins. I know Tucker gets his fair share as well, plus Bledsoe early in the year got several. However, it seems like ever since we traded for Marcus and the twins were reunited they are somewhat out of control running their mouth on the court. I don't remember Markieff being like this when he was by himself on the team. It is only when his twin joined that they both became $hit-talkers on the court.

Bro I literally said this same exact thing in the trade thread earlier today ha.

[lilfishi22]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS6pGNovW0c[/youtube]

[batsmasher]

Horny's words really highlight how bad the situation is. They've been dealing with this internally all season but that clearly hasn't worked and now have resorted to unorthodox rules and publicly criticising the players .

Techs 14-15:

Kieff: 10 (2nd in NBA)
Bled: 7 (Equal 5th)
PJ: 6 (Equal 8th)
Mook: 5
Goran: 4
Green/ IT: 2
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Techs 13-14:

Kieff/ PJ: 12 (Equal 6th)
Green: 9
IT (SAC): 9
Goran: 7
Mook: 5
Bled: 3
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Bled, Kieff, Mook up.
IT, Green down.

[Revived]

Interesting that Plumlee and Len are the only ones in the rotation who don't pick up techs.

[Puff]

It really is amazing how much support Hornacek get around this town.

1. This team runs a terrible offense and tries to turn everyone into a 3 point shooter or you can't play unless you are a 5. Hornacek rarely gets blamed. It is always on the players taking bad shots.
2. They have played some of the worst defense in recent memory, yes no better than the D'Antoni teams. Horanacek is perceived by most as a good defensive coach. I guess playing for Sloan qualifies you to be considered as a good defensive coach.Why is it that the players always get blamed and not him?
3. Hornacek appears to not have the ear of many of the players and puts out childish rules to try to clean it up. It appears he mostly wants to be one of the guys. I expect he really enjoys participating in the 3 point shooting contest they must hold during practice.
4. Hornacek appears to also be the least respected coach in the league by the refs. When has he ever got a tech after a bad call? Coaches like Popovich and Rivers constantly berate the officials to attempt to get their team an edge and they do. What happens if he does get a technical? Does he have to sit in the corner with a dunce hat on.
5. How many games have we come out of the gate ill prepared to start the game? Isn't it Hornacek's job to get the prepared.

Through his actions of technical fouls he has given the opponents another advantage. I expect the other coaches are telling their team of his rule. I would not be surprised if it is not written on the chalk board in their pregame meetings. It will continue to be part of the other teams game plan until Hornacek earns the respect of the referees.

You guys can blame the players all you wants but Hornacek has some skin in the game as well. When has he ever taken a bullet for this team? I do not see much joy on this team. IMO, that is on the coach.

With what Chris Paul and virtually any of Rivers coached players get away with I would be mad as well if I were a player. Chris Paul got away with full on cross body blocks last night, that would make an NFL defensive back proud, and the Suns player got the foul on most ocassions. I liked it when Dragic basically threw Paul down at the end of the first half, this was right after Paul cross body blocked him to the hardwood on a breakaway. The play also was right in front of Hornacek, and he had nothing to say to the official. Rivers would have gone nutso if Dragic did that to Paul. At least Paul got the foul call but it should have been a flagrant.

and the beat goes on

Hate the pringles man all you want, but he at least had the gall to stand up for our guys and fire the team up when needed.

Thank you

It appears that you liked Pringles. I actually loved the guy and think he did about as well as could be expected here, in New York and LA as well.

I totally agree with your comment on him standing up for his guys, that is what impressed me most. I never remember him throwing any of the players under the bus while he was here. He supported them win or lose. I also like that he did not want to be told by the front office as to how to coach. He also told them who he wanted them to keep. When Kerr started changing the rules is when all hell broke loose and we have never been the same since. Some morons give Gentry all the credit for 09/10. I guess he was the coach. However, that was D'Antoni's team with his co pilot at the throttle.

I really hope he gets one last chance with someone. I think he could do well in both Sacramento and Minnesota. If New Orleans misses the playoffs again that could be another possible destination. He was the best choice for the Lakers to keep but Kobe and Magic put out so much garbage that it was impossible for him to stay. If Hornacek is taking guidance from Babby and Sarver as to how to handle our players, we are in a world of crap.

I really do not remember any real locker room problems while MDA was our coach. It appeared that they loved the guy with the exception of some of the bench players that could no longer play the game like Jalen Rose, who never played for anyone after his stop with us.

[MrMiyagi]

We don't have a shot at making the playoffs anyways

This is going to cost us games because our starters are the ones getting the technical fouls! It's hurting the team!

Oh, wait, now you guys are starting to see the glimmer of the post-season? Give me a break.

[bwgood77]

It really is amazing how much support Hornacek get around this town.

1. This team runs a terrible offense and tries to turn everyone into a 3 point shooter or you can't play unless you are a 5. Hornacek rarely gets blamed. It is always on the players taking bad shots.
2. They have played some of the worst defense in recent memory, yes no better than the D'Antoni teams. Horanacek is perceived by most as a good defensive coach. I guess playing for Sloan qualifies you to be considered as a good defensive coach.Why is it that the players always get blamed and not him?
3. Hornacek appears to not have the ear of many of the players and puts out childish rules to try to clean it up. It appears he mostly wants to be one of the guys. I expect he really enjoys participating in the 3 point shooting contest they must hold during practice.
4. Hornacek appears to also be the least respected coach in the league by the refs. When has he ever got a tech after a bad call? Coaches like Popovich and Rivers constantly berate the officials to attempt to get their team an edge and they do. What happens if he does get a technical? Does he have to sit in the corner with a dunce hat on.
5. How many games have we come out of the gate ill prepared to start the game? Isn't it Hornacek's job to get the prepared.

Through his actions of technical fouls he has given the opponents another advantage. I expect the other coaches are telling their team of his rule. I would not be surprised if it is not written on the chalk board in their pregame meetings. It will continue to be part of the other teams game plan until Hornacek earns the respect of the referees.

You guys can blame the players all you wants but Hornacek has some skin in the game as well. When has he ever taken a bullet for this team? I do not see much joy on this team. IMO, that is on the coach.

With what Chris Paul and virtually any of Rivers coached players get away with I would be mad as well if I were a player. Chris Paul got away with full on cross body blocks last night, that would make an NFL defensive back proud, and the Suns player got the foul on most ocassions. I liked it when Dragic basically threw Paul down at the end of the first half, this was right after Paul cross body blocked him to the hardwood on a breakaway. The play also was right in front of Hornacek, and he had nothing to say to the official. Rivers would have gone nutso if Dragic did that to Paul. At least Paul got the foul call but it should have been a flagrant.

and the beat goes on

Atlanta and SA and OKC and other teams want everyone but the 5 to be able to hit the 3. With Atlanta, it even includes the 5 (and with OKC when they go small).

I hate that so many blame Hornacek so much and quickly. Last year he was the frontrunner for COY most of the year, like 99% of it, VASTLY overachieved, and then people's expectations become unrealistic and they start calling for a great coach's head.

This always happens and it pisses me off. It happened with D'Antoni who overachieved in year one and it happened with Schottenheimer (of the Chargers, my favorite NFL team). It seems like every time one of these guys got fired or were forced out and the FO went with something the naysayers were calling for, the team suddenly is FAR worse.

I still am pretty shocked at how good this team has been over the last season and a half when you looked at the youth and inexperience and expectations after we suddenly started like three guys who had never started before, and got rid of Gortat and Scola. And this year we are starting ANOTHER new starter in his second year in the league.

Hornacek isn't going anywhere any time soon so the constant complaining is beating a dead horse anyway. Every team ahead of us is playoff tested with all stars or former all stars and long term coaches (other than Kerr). Even the two teams right behind us have all stars (make that MVP candidates) and we have a bunch of guys that are in their 5th year or less.

This team is a rebuilding team with a great young coach. Honestly if I blame anyone, other than some of the players being hotheads, it is the FO and the free agent moves this past offseason. We didn't need another PG and now we might lose our best 3rd team NBA player who has been marginalized because of the signing.

[BurningHeart]

It's about the culture and I am 100% for anything that establishes the culture I've enjoyed and been proud of the last 22 years I've been a Suns fan.

I am sick of this primadonna, whiny garbage. I am sick of having a bitchmade, stupid team. This isn't what I want to root for. These are not the players I want to root for. If I wanted to root for this crap, I'd be a fan of one of the 29 other teams in this dumb league.

I'm a Suns fan for a reason. We've always played the right way. We play smart. We always have a roster of immensely likable players. Flopping and other cancerous on-court behavior kept to an absolute minimum. Criminals and idiots get shipped out when they screw up. Being a Suns fan is a pride thing.

We've had a "youth movement" but it's moreso been a "become like the rest of the NBA" movement. We've shied away from what makes us special and signed, kept, and encouraged players who have personality traits that have never fit in Phoenix Suns culture based on their physical talents.

We're becoming the antithesis of Phoenix Suns basketball. We've ball-stopping, ISO-encouraging, turnover-machining, bad decision-making, technical-getting, locker room distraction-infested, on court-embarrassment, unlikable and damn near unwatchable trash. There is no need to destroy our identity on or off the court. None. It's just like when everyone whined about D'Antoni and said he "doesn't coach defense" and "his time is up" and then him and Kerr had all this conflict and then we brought in Terry **** Porter to become "more defense" and surprise surprise we were DISGUSTINGLY bad in 2008-2009 and then we fired him and brought Alvin Gentry and SURPRISE SURPRISE we were back doing what we needed to be doing and we went to the damn Western Conference Finals in 2010. That's what's happening here with this change. It's a wholly unnecessary one and the very people who wanted all this to happen are the first ones to be whining about it. You get what you ask for.

Sickening. What a sickening, stupid thing. We have Jeff Hornacek as our coach and we've surrounded him with players that are dumb, selfish, and arrogant. And we're going to drive our All-NBA best player away because of it.

**** angering.

[thamadkant]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS6pGNovW0c[/youtube]

Just unbelievable.

I mean I get plenty of tech. in my league but that's for swearing every time I mess up lol. But I always apologise to the refs, and all things are okay except for the people with kids watching lol.

But Markieff must talk or say real offensive things to taunt the referees or the opposite team players to get targeted by referees a lot. His reputation is done... He'll need a whole season of no techs or controversial things to even fall under the referees radar.

[thamadkant]

If Markieff Morris or Marcus Morris was putting up Charles Barkley numbers and impact.. I wouldn't care as much to their techs. But both are role players mouthing off compromising the hard work of the whole team.

Atleast Charles Barkley was funny half the time and a likeable personality with funny interviews and comments so when he gets tech'd, you find yourself on his side... But the Morris twins and Tucker to an extent... I just either shake my head or find myself screaming at the TV "Shut the f$&k up and play".

[lilfishi22]

Just unbelievable.

I mean I get plenty of tech. in my league but that's for swearing every time I mess up lol. But I always apologise to the refs, and all things are okay except for the people with kids watching lol.

But Markieff must talk or say real offensive things to taunt the referees or the opposite team players to get targeted by referees a lot. His reputation is done... He'll need a whole season of no techs or controversial things to even fall under the referees radar.

Honestly, I think it's less about what he says but rather his persistence. Refs in the league (in general) give players a lot of leeway. It's uncommon for players to get T'd up without a warning first unless it's an especially bad thing they've said. With Kieff, he's constantly in a refs ear and I'm really not surprised when he does get T'd up. And you're totally right about his reputation, refs are going to have him on a short leash.

[Revived]

It really is amazing how much support Hornacek get around this town.

1. This team runs a terrible offense and tries to turn everyone into a 3 point shooter or you can't play unless you are a 5. Hornacek rarely gets blamed. It is always on the players taking bad shots.
2. They have played some of the worst defense in recent memory, yes no better than the D'Antoni teams. Horanacek is perceived by most as a good defensive coach. I guess playing for Sloan qualifies you to be considered as a good defensive coach.Why is it that the players always get blamed and not him?
3. Hornacek appears to not have the ear of many of the players and puts out childish rules to try to clean it up. It appears he mostly wants to be one of the guys. I expect he really enjoys participating in the 3 point shooting contest they must hold during practice.
4. Hornacek appears to also be the least respected coach in the league by the refs. When has he ever got a tech after a bad call? Coaches like Popovich and Rivers constantly berate the officials to attempt to get their team an edge and they do. What happens if he does get a technical? Does he have to sit in the corner with a dunce hat on.
5. How many games have we come out of the gate ill prepared to start the game? Isn't it Hornacek's job to get the prepared.

Through his actions of technical fouls he has given the opponents another advantage. I expect the other coaches are telling their team of his rule. I would not be surprised if it is not written on the chalk board in their pregame meetings. It will continue to be part of the other teams game plan until Hornacek earns the respect of the referees.

You guys can blame the players all you wants but Hornacek has some skin in the game as well. When has he ever taken a bullet for this team? I do not see much joy on this team. IMO, that is on the coach.

With what Chris Paul and virtually any of Rivers coached players get away with I would be mad as well if I were a player. Chris Paul got away with full on cross body blocks last night, that would make an NFL defensive back proud, and the Suns player got the foul on most ocassions. I liked it when Dragic basically threw Paul down at the end of the first half, this was right after Paul cross body blocked him to the hardwood on a breakaway. The play also was right in front of Hornacek, and he had nothing to say to the official. Rivers would have gone nutso if Dragic did that to Paul. At least Paul got the foul call but it should have been a flagrant.

and the beat goes on

Atlanta and SA and OKC and other teams want everyone but the 5 to be able to hit the 3. With Atlanta, it even includes the 5 (and with OKC when they go small).

I hate that so many blame Hornacek so much and quickly. Last year he was the frontrunner for COY most of the year, like 99% of it, VASTLY overachieved, and then people's expectations become unrealistic and they start calling for a great coach's head.

This always happens and it pisses me off. It happened with D'Antoni who overachieved in year one and it happened with Schottenheimer (of the Chargers, my favorite NFL team). It seems like every time one of these guys got fired or were forced out and the FO went with something the naysayers were calling for, the team suddenly is FAR worse.

I still am pretty shocked at how good this team has been over the last season and a half when you looked at the youth and inexperience and expectations after we suddenly started like three guys who had never started before, and got rid of Gortat and Scola. And this year we are starting ANOTHER new starter in his second year in the league.

Hornacek isn't going anywhere any time soon so the constant complaining is beating a dead horse anyway. Every team ahead of us is playoff tested with all stars or former all stars and long term coaches (other than Kerr). Even the two teams right behind us have all stars (make that MVP candidates) and we have a bunch of guys that are in their 5th year or less.

This team is a rebuilding team with a great young coach. Honestly if I blame anyone, other than some of the players being hotheads, it is the FO and the free agent moves this past offseason. We didn't need another PG and now we might lose our best 3rd team NBA player who has been marginalized because of the signing.

It's about the system that those coaches run as opposed to the Suns.

You brought up Mike Budenholzer so let's talk about him since he's the one that everyone is amazed with because he's doing all this without any superstars on the team.

The Hawks thrive on passing the ball. I've watched many Hawks games this season, and it literally looks like their playing a different sport than the Suns. It's pass, pass, pass, pass until someone gets a good shot. Constant moving without the ball from every single player on the court. Teague is probably the only one who ever even considers iso, others all score off people setting them up. And even with Teague, he makes the right decision 80% of the time.

The Suns are exact opposite. I don't mean that as an exaggeration, it's reality. While their guys are constantly moving without the ball, we have a bunch of guys who stand around ball watching. While they have guys passing the ball around til they find someone who has an open shot, we have guys trying crossovers on one on one iso. The Hawks also play decent defense and aren't a bad rebounding team because their coach constantly presses it on them and only plays players who puts in effort on both ends of the court.

Not a single Hawks player gives one care about their stats. They literally just want to win when their out there. I know that's a cliche that everyone says but if you watch them (and I highly recommend it whether it's through league pass or other ways, you won't regret it because it's a joy watching them play) you would understand the true meaning behind the cliche.

While we're here trying to work in 2 PGs one year, 3 PGs year after, (maybe 4 PGs next year?), their out there playing fundamental basketball while being disciplined and giving 100% effort on both ends of the floor. The Hawks don't sleep walk into a game every game and then make a huge run at the end to make the score look respectable.

The Hawks right now are on like a 17 game winning streak but if you watch them play, they play like a team that's on a 17 game losing streak that's desperately trying to pick up a win.

People always brushed off Popovich's unselfish system by saying "Oh it's only because he has HOFers like Duncan, Ginobili and Parker", yea well the Hawks who don't have any HOFers or superstars and 1 maybe 2 all stars are proving that theory completely wrong.

People say the Suns aren't supposed to be good now, we're rebuilding. But were the Hawks supposed to be a top 2 team in the league within a year when they hired Mike Budenholzer before last year? I sure don't remember hearing about the Hawks talent and how they'll be doing this good with the right coach. I heard it plenty about Golden State but never about Atlanta. Most people expected them to be in "sell mode" to trade away players like Horford, Teague etc.

Mike Budenholzer has implemented a system of of unselfish disciplined basketball, 3pt shooting, ball movement, defense and rebounding. Jeff Hornacek has implemented a system of selfish basketball, 3pt shooting and transition buckets.

Which system do you think will be successful in both the short term and long run?

[DRK]

Stupidest idea ever. There are better ways to discipline your team. This reeks of desperation.

[bwgood77]

It really is amazing how much support Hornacek get around this town.

1. This team runs a terrible offense and tries to turn everyone into a 3 point shooter or you can't play unless you are a 5.

Atlanta and SA and OKC and other teams want everyone but the 5 to be able to hit the 3. With Atlanta, it even includes the 5 (and with OKC when they go small).

I hate that so many blame Hornacek so much and quickly. Last year he was the frontrunner for COY most of the year, like 99% of it, VASTLY overachieved, and then people's expectations become unrealistic and they start calling for a great coach's head.

This always happens and it pisses me off. It happened with D'Antoni who overachieved in year one and it happened with Schottenheimer (of the Chargers, my favorite NFL team). It seems like every time one of these guys got fired or were forced out and the FO went with something the naysayers were calling for, the team suddenly is FAR worse.

I still am pretty shocked at how good this team has been over the last season and a half when you looked at the youth and inexperience and expectations after we suddenly started like three guys who had never started before, and got rid of Gortat and Scola. And this year we are starting ANOTHER new starter in his second year in the league.

Hornacek isn't going anywhere any time soon so the constant complaining is beating a dead horse anyway. Every team ahead of us is playoff tested with all stars or former all stars and long term coaches (other than Kerr). Even the two teams right behind us have all stars (make that MVP candidates) and we have a bunch of guys that are in their 5th year or less.

This team is a rebuilding team with a great young coach. Honestly if I blame anyone, other than some of the players being hotheads, it is the FO and the free agent moves this past offseason. We didn't need another PG and now we might lose our best 3rd team NBA player who has been marginalized because of the signing.

It's about the system that those coaches run as opposed to the Suns.

You brought up Mike Budenholzer so let's talk about him since he's the one that everyone is amazed with because he's doing all this without any superstars on the team.

The Hawks thrive on passing the ball. I've watched many Hawks games this season, and it literally looks like their playing a different sport than the Suns. It's pass, pass, pass, pass until someone gets a good shot. Constant moving without the ball from every single player on the court. Teague is probably the only one who ever even considers iso, others all score off people setting them up. And even with Teague, he makes the right decision 80% of the time.

The Suns are exact opposite. I don't mean that as an exaggeration, it's reality. While their guys are constantly moving without the ball, we have a bunch of guys who stand around ball watching. While they have guys passing the ball around til they find someone who has an open shot, we have guys trying crossovers on one on one iso. The Hawks also play decent defense and aren't a bad rebounding team because their coach constantly presses it on them and only plays players who puts in effort on both ends of the court.

Not a single Hawks player gives one care about their stats. They literally just want to win when their out there. I know that's a cliche that everyone says but if you watch them (and I highly recommend it whether it's through league pass or other ways, you won't regret it because it's a joy watching them play) you would understand the true meaning behind the cliche.

While we're here trying to work in 2 PGs one year, 3 PGs year after, (maybe 4 PGs next year?), their out there playing fundamental basketball while being disciplined and giving 100% effort on both ends of the floor. The Hawks don't sleep walk into a game every game and then make a huge run at the end to make the score look respectable.

The Hawks right now are on like a 17 game winning streak but if you watch them play, they play like a team that's on a 17 game losing streak that's desperately trying to pick up a win.

People always brushed off Popovich's unselfish system by saying "Oh it's only because he has HOFers like Duncan, Ginobili and Parker", yea well the Hawks who don't have any HOFers or superstars and 1 maybe 2 all stars are proving that theory completely wrong.

People say the Suns aren't supposed to be good now, we're rebuilding. But were the Hawks supposed to be a top 2 team in the league within a year when they hired Mike Budenholzer before last year? I sure don't remember hearing about the Hawks talent and how they'll be doing this good with the right coach. I heard it plenty about Golden State but never about Atlanta. Most people expected them to be in "sell mode" to trade away players like Horford, Teague etc.

Mike Budenholzer has implemented a system of of unselfish disciplined basketball, 3pt shooting, ball movement, defense and rebounding. Jeff Hornacek has implemented a system of selfish basketball, 3pt shooting and transition buckets.

Which system do you think will be successful in both the short term and long run?

Hey, I didn't say I liked our offensive system. I think we need to pass more like that too. I was just addressing the statement that stretch fours and having multiple guys who can hit 3s is not a good idea. Ideally you want a 4 who can post up and play tough inside and Kieff can do those things. I expected Atlanta to be a really good team if Horford came back healthy. Maybe not quite this good, but I'm not nearly as surprised as I was with the Suns.

Those coaches also have quality buy in players with a good attitude. Many blame the coach if the Suns don't listen, but many players don't listen to their coaches. They say we should bench them if they don't listen. Now Hornacek benches players who are not listening, and people are blaming him. So perhaps there is a shakeup with the roster in the next couple of weeks.

[gaspar]

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[bigfoot]

Horny talks about the technical foul situation

http://arizonasports.com/?nid=243&auto=1&aid=310004

He's right ... you can't win a championship with all the technicals. Spurs and Heat have the lowest number of technicals called per year over the last few seasons. Still insists if the guys don't want to stop whining at the refs then they will find other players who want to compete for championships.