Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[thamadkant]

Morris, Thomas, Green
For
Sullinger, Bradley, future pick


Sullinger is a better rebounder and PF next to Len IMO.
Bradley is a shutdown defensive combo guard. Who won't complain for not scoring a lot but can focus defensively.
Clears up clog to allow Warren, Goodwin and Ennis some minutes.

[jcsunsfan]

What about this trade:

Philadelphia - KJ McDaniels, Andrei Kirilenko, rights to Dario Saric

Phoenix - Morri

We would need to do another trade to get a PF to replace Markeif in the starting lineup.

Maybe IT and Plumlee for a starting PF.

I still honestly believe that we could get Noel from them for the MoBros and IT. The hometown kids would fit better with their future plans and Philly would love the Iverson AI type of play that IT would give them.

I might give them Marcus for Noel, anything more is a steal for them. Maybe that's a slight exaggeration but it seems to me we'd be giving up 3 players for 1 and easily the 2 best players are going their way. But I think Noel's ceiling is a poor man's Birdman and that's only for the few years his body holds up.

Dont think much of Noel, do ya?

[thamadkant]

Noel with another 30-40 pounds of muscle could be very handy as a PF/C.
I think the Morris twins could nab him indeed. At worst McD can use Noel as a bigger asset, but he and Len as the front court could be amazing defensively.

[Revived]

Philly isn't gonna trade Noel. They see him and Embiid forming a hell of a front court.

[Zelaznyrules]

I still honestly believe that we could get Noel from them for the MoBros and IT. The hometown kids would fit better with their future plans and Philly would love the Iverson AI type of play that IT would give them.

I might give them Marcus for Noel, anything more is a steal for them. Maybe that's a slight exaggeration but it seems to me we'd be giving up 3 players for 1 and easily the 2 best players are going their way. But I think Noel's ceiling is a poor man's Birdman and that's only for the few years his body holds up.

Dont think much of Noel, do ya?

Yeah, I was a little subtle. He's a great help-side shot blocker but a poor basketball player. And with his health history I can't help but wonder why anyone would think highly of him.

[Fo-Real]

I dont konw that Philly has much that they would give up for the Morri. The only thing that is evident about them is they have consistently given MCW the vote of no confidence, but the question is what kind of pg are they looking for? I do remember the Suns seemed hot after MCW in the draft, dont think that matters now seeing how we have 3 starter pg's with Ennis and Archie waiting for a damn chance. Philly seems content to suck and draft, wouldnt want impact players like the Morri at this point.

[Saberestar]

MCW is a good defender and tall enough to cover every single SG in the league...he only has to gain some strenght and weight. He can be very good playing Isaiah's role if we can trade him too. MCW has huge upside.

[Fo-Real]

Afraid or Excited: Say we made a trade of the Morri, Thomas and Green on a day we were going to have a game that night. Knowing we would play guys like Archie, Ennis and Warren heavy minutes. Does that scare people here, or are we convinced the kids can step in and contribute? Personally I would be excited to see what the kids have become, got to let them swim at some point!

[thamadkant]

Without Thomas or Green, Bledsoe and Dragic will play extra 5-6 minutes and get additional 2-3 more touches each possesion.

They'll step up... All season long they have been playing 30 minutes... And some games playing significantly less... Basically those 2 are fresh as a Daisy... Considering their age and fitness level.

When Thomas, Dragic and Bledsoe are in, 1 or 2 of them become decoys at the top anyways. So replacing them with a young player won't impact as much as we fear IMO. Dragic or Bledsoe will just step it up a notch.

[m1chal]

Afraid or Excited: Say we made a trade of the Morri, Thomas and Green on a day we were going to have a game that night. Knowing we would play guys like Archie, Ennis and Warren heavy minutes. Does that scare people here, or are we convinced the kids can step in and contribute? Personally I would be excited to see what the kids have become, got to let them swim at some point!

I would be very excited. I don't think we're making playoffs this season, we're just not good enough. And I'm tired of watching IT and Green shoot each time they have the ball in their hands. This iso ball this current Suns team plays a lot is just not my cup of tea. I guess I'm spoiled by Nash, Kidd and other pass-first PGs we had in the past.

[NaturalBuns]

Isn't Shaw a fan of markieff?

How about Markieff for Faried.

[thamadkant]

Isn't Shaw a fan of markieff?

How about Markieff for Faried.

Yeah, I've been watching Faried lately, the guy would suit the Suns uptempo + push the ball system. He doesnt over-dribble, doesnt hold the ball, he finishes a lot of plays and a pest on the boards both ends.
Markieff has a way better arsenal of offensive moves, but sometimes that doesnt necessarily make a better player or fit to a team. Its like Tyson Chandler vs Eddy Curry.... Eddy Curry's offensive talent is about 10 folds that of Chandler but Chandler fits teams that simply need defense and rebounding. Curry and Markieff are NOT comparable work ethic wise though, obviously, but I'm specifically talking about talent vs hustle/energy/work rate.

[NaturalBuns]

Isn't Shaw a fan of markieff?

How about Markieff for Faried.

Yeah, I've been watching Faried lately, the guy would suit the Suns uptempo + push the ball system. He doesnt over-dribble, doesnt hold the ball, he finishes a lot of plays and a pest on the boards both ends.
Markieff has a way better arsenal of offensive moves, but sometimes that doesnt necessarily make a better player or fit to a team. Its like Tyson Chandler vs Eddy Curry.... Eddy Curry's offensive talent is about 10 folds that of Chandler but Chandler fits teams that simply need defense and rebounding. Curry and Markieff are NOT comparable work ethic wise though, obviously, but I'm specifically talking about talent vs hustle/energy/work rate.

Yeah, Faried fits the uptempo and brings a huge boost to the suns in rebounding.
Like you said markieff is obviously more skilled offensively but how much of that matters in a 3 PG shoot first system? Only negative would be spacing Faried/Len? I guess both can hit the mid... But dragic and Bledsoe love 4 out one in.

[jcsunsfan]

Noel with another 30-40 pounds of muscle could be very handy as a PF/C.
I think the Morris twins could nab him indeed. At worst McD can use Noel as a bigger asset, but he and Len as the front court could be amazing defensively.

Noel with another 30-40 pounds becomes much more injury prone and looses all the quickness and athletic ability that makes him worth anything at all.

[bwgood77]

Trade the twins and you trade team chemistry along with it. The Morri are the vocal leaders, they stick up for the rest of the team. I love their thug-ish attitude, and couldnt care less about the techs.

Its been too long since the Suns had some bad boys on the team. Now we finally get some, finally get some fighters, and we're looking to trade them.

SMH.

I agree with this and really like what they bring to the team. My only wish is that they both would take it to the hoop more and not do so many ISO's. They are both capable HEALTHY NBA players IMO, and not easily replaced. It is just hard to believe that they are hurting the chemistry of the team. They always are johnny on the spot whenever an opposing player takes a cheap shot at one of their teammates.

I think Hornacek may be the locker room problem. I know everyone loves the guy but why is he above the law. He is the one handing out minutes and he is supposed to control the locker room.

My question is. What player is really happy? To me virtually every player seems unhappy and that falls on the coach. It is just hard for me to believe that the twins are causing all the discord in the locker room.

This wasn't a problem at all last year. As a matter of fact they were really happy. Sometimes you have too many players that feel they deserve time and it becomes a problem. That is an issue and there more lies with the front office. A trade NEEDS to be made. And having one negative person or two can really damper an entire team's mood. This happens everywhere. I saw it happen in the office I work in. We had one really negative person, then we had two, and they both ended up leaving, and the place is night and day different. Same thing happened a couple of years ago.

Part of it also lies with having that veteran floor leader that can lead....someone who will pull guys back...during the Nash area if we had guys that did this, the players would not let it escalate. That's why if the Morris twins are going to be the leaders, it's not going to work, if they are the ones with the biggest problem.

[bwgood77]

I still honestly believe that we could get Noel from them for the MoBros and IT. The hometown kids would fit better with their future plans and Philly would love the Iverson AI type of play that IT would give them.

I might give them Marcus for Noel, anything more is a steal for them. Maybe that's a slight exaggeration but it seems to me we'd be giving up 3 players for 1 and easily the 2 best players are going their way. But I think Noel's ceiling is a poor man's Birdman and that's only for the few years his body holds up.

Dont think much of Noel, do ya?

I sure don't. He pretty much sucks. Len is already 2 or 3 times as good. Kieff is about 10x as good. You can't play Len with Noel either in today's NBA. Noel isn't someone like Zach Randolph nor will he ever be. Dude can't play a lick of offense.

[bwgood77]

????

that's the same picture I used to to draft him in fantasy.
It would be a dream if the Suns got Mathews.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ohnmcy3

Blazers get: MorrisX2/Green
Rockets get: IT/Plumlee
Suns get: Matthews/Robinson/Jones/Capella/Terry/NOP 1st

Blazers get some much needed depth (on good contracts), but also save a big chunk of change as Matthews will be expensive for them to re-sign when they also have to re-sign Aldridge too. Here they get some added depth at the SF and PF spot, but also get Green to play the Matthews role. They also could re-sign Green at a fraction of Matthews asking price.

Lillard/Green/Batum/Aldridge/Lopez ------ McCollum/Wright/Morris/Morris/Kamen

Rockets get the PERFECT scoring PG to put next to Harden. The ball is always in Hardens hands, so IT gives them that guy to hit the open 3's and score at will. IT would make them a very deadly team. They also get a much better back-up C than Dorsey.

Thomas/Harden/Ariza/Smith/Howard ------ Beverly/Brewer/Papanikolaou/Motiejunas/Plumlee

Suns get Matthews (making Dragic expendable). They also get 2 young PF prospects and Terry's expiring. Capella was a prospect that McD had his eye on and brought him in for 3 pre-draft workouts. He has potential but is still raw. Add in a late lotto pick from the Pelicans.

Bledsoe/Ennis
Matthews/Goodwin
Tucker/Bullock/Warren
Jones/Robinson
Len/Wright/Capella

Trade DragicX2 for a true starting caliber SF and a PF.

Then Matthews as an UFA goes elsewhere.

[carey]

Noel with another 30-40 pounds of muscle could be very handy as a PF/C.
I think the Morris twins could nab him indeed. At worst McD can use Noel as a bigger asset, but he and Len as the front court could be amazing defensively.

Noel with another 30-40 pounds becomes much more injury prone and looses all the quickness and athletic ability that makes him worth anything at all.

Did it do that to Anthony Davis? We won't know that until we see it.

[thamadkant]

Noel with another 30-40 pounds of muscle could be very handy as a PF/C.
I think the Morris twins could nab him indeed. At worst McD can use Noel as a bigger asset, but he and Len as the front court could be amazing defensively.

Noel with another 30-40 pounds becomes much more injury prone and looses all the quickness and athletic ability that makes him worth anything at all.

Not really, if he puts majority of that weight on his core region (thighs and bum), it doesnt make him less mobile, in fact it makes him stronger of jumps and running. The weight is also kept near the knees, so strain is minimized laterally and vertically.

When I say gain 30-40 pounds, it doesnt mean BULK neccessarily. It means lean muscle everywhere, for a 6'11 guy, 25-30 pounds on the lower portion of his body (core region) and 10 pounds on his shoulders/arms would NOT affect his mobility, it makes him stronger and more resilient to being knocked around WHICH is worse for injuries.

[thamadkant]

Noel with another 30-40 pounds of muscle could be very handy as a PF/C.
I think the Morris twins could nab him indeed. At worst McD can use Noel as a bigger asset, but he and Len as the front court could be amazing defensively.

Noel with another 30-40 pounds becomes much more injury prone and looses all the quickness and athletic ability that makes him worth anything at all.

Did it do that to Anthony Davis? We won't know that until we see it.

Exactly, Davis packed on mass on his arms/shoulders and his thighs/legs IMO (cannot verify due to long shorts lol).

But he looks stronger, more resilient to getting knocked around which can cause injuries especially landing awkwardly.