Trade Discussion

[Damkac]

Listening Sports talk on the way home, ESPN RADIO, in one of the breaks it mentioned Stein and the Cavalierts sycophant, Windhorst (really Windbag as he is NEVER right) - said Love is on the block but want a super star back and not role players. So I guess they want Melo for whatever reason

But I still think the best trade for the Cavs is somehow getting Kieff and Chandler or Knight straight up for Love. Granted, its probably a three way so Love goes to Boston and David Lee, some ancillary part and the Brooklyn pick goes to the Suns.

Kieff helps there floor spacing. Mozgov kind of stinks so Chandler gives them a true defensive five. JR Smith and Shumpert both stink and are inconsistent so Knight helps that. IF they want a SF for defense, Tucker brings that.

It won't happen - but I think the Suns players help more than Melo

I really doubt Cavs would take Knight, Chandler and Kieff for Love. Knight is too similar to Irving. Chandler's contract and Kieff's attitude makes them risky and reduce their value greatly. Love may not be a good fit in Cleveland but they give Wiggins for him and they will not give him for cheap. One player they may trade for imo is Bledsoe. He's Bron's buddy and Rich Paul's client. If only he was healthy I think a trade like Bledsoe and Kieff for Love would be likely.

[bwgood77]

Telly is a poor man's Ryan Anderson on a prove it deal. Rather keep Leuer as a rotational Stretch 4 because he's on a bargain contract for another year and consistently crashes the boards even though he's not as deadeye as a marksman. Also will come cheaper because Telly dissuaded any fearws that he didn't recover from the pulmonary embolism and will thus command top dollar

Leuer is only on a one year deal as well, so that is one reason to deal Telly, is to let Leuer know you want him around, and start to give him a lot of time again.

[Blkbrd671]

Well, Twitter hasn't broke anything so far. We gonna have to wait till the last second, I have a feeling.

don't know why, but i feel like Detroits going to get kieff at the deadline and its going to be for a decent package, at which point we are all going to debate "what did they turn down!?"

Doubt it. SVG likes his stretch 4's

Kieffs been shooting like 40% since the coaching change
Detroits current "stretch 4's" aren't exactly snipers and suck defensively
Kieff can shoot 3's and in our offense increase his efficiency to at least average

and we're not a good trade partner.

that would depend on what PHX is actually looking for and what is being offered by other teams in comparison to Detroit. Fact of the matter is we have the one player that Kieff wants to play with and there is less risk for Detroit in comparison to other teams.

oddly enough, despite my board maintaining they don't want Kieffs "headcase/lockeroom" drama, all of a sudden more posters are okay with giving up a first?????????? i am just as confused. i think i am slowly wearing their hearts and minds

I am and have been on the FreeKieff bandwagon

#freekieff #throwinknight #please

[bwgood77]

don't know why, but i feel like Detroits going to get kieff at the deadline and its going to be for a decent package, at which point we are all going to debate "what did they turn down!?"

Doubt it. SVG likes his stretch 4's

Kieffs been shooting like 40% since the coaching change
Detroits current "stretch 4's" aren't exactly snipers and suck defensively
Kieff can shoot 3's and in our offense increase his efficiency to at least average

and we're not a good trade partner.

that would depend on what PHX is actually looking for and what is being offered by other teams in comparison to Detroit. Fact of the matter is we have the one player that Kieff wants to play with and there is less risk for Detroit in comparison to other teams.

oddly enough, despite my board maintaining they don't want Kieffs "headcase/lockeroom" drama, all of a sudden more posters are okay with giving up a first?????????? i am just as confused. i think i am slowly wearing their hearts and minds

I am and have been on the FreeKieff bandwagon

#freekieff #throwinknight #please

So Kieff and Knight for who or what? We don't really need or want any more guards and I'm not sure expirings matter that much unless they come with a pick and a young prospect or something? Ilyasova? I'm not all that sure he's much better than Leuer who we have playing well shooting 40% from 3. As is Teletovic.

[thamadkant]

I think the Cavaliers have to do something. It is doubtful they will beat the top Western Conference teams as currently constructed. That team is just not that good outside of Lebron, Irving, and Love. And Love is having a bad year. He really has had two underwhelming years in a row for them. Nowhere near superstar level. 16 and 10 last season and 16 and 10 this season. Plus he is shooting terribly for a power forward. 43% fg last season and less than 42% fg this season. Compare these two seasons to his last year with the Timberwolves where he average about 26 and 13 on 46% fg. Colossal drop-off.

Well he's more of a role player now. 16 and 10 is pretty good all things considered. A big reason his fg% is down so low is because about half of his shots are 3s by design. Of course he's not going to have as good as stats as he did on the Wolves. Bosh had a huge hit to his stats too when he went to Miami.

I think they have pretty good role players in JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, Shumpert, Dellavedova, Mo Williams.

The bad thing for all teams is that GS and SA are historically good. It's not the Cavs fault or OKC's fault. In normal years the way they are playing they would probably be bound to meet in the finals.

16/10 are phenomenal numbers for a "role" player and a third option really.

But its his Lack of defensive impact and shutdown/lock down ability on his man. The interior defense of Cavs are highly reliant on their perimeter players collapsing inside to help, which gets destroyed by Warriors or other 3pt shooting teams because it frees up the shooters outside.

Tristan Thompson with a mid range would be their perfect PF/C.... but sadly he doesnt have a jumpshot.

[Blkbrd671]

Doubt it. SVG likes his stretch 4's

Kieffs been shooting like 40% since the coaching change
Detroits current "stretch 4's" aren't exactly snipers and suck defensively
Kieff can shoot 3's and in our offense increase his efficiency to at least average

and we're not a good trade partner.

that would depend on what PHX is actually looking for and what is being offered by other teams in comparison to Detroit. Fact of the matter is we have the one player that Kieff wants to play with and there is less risk for Detroit in comparison to other teams.

oddly enough, despite my board maintaining they don't want Kieffs "headcase/lockeroom" drama, all of a sudden more posters are okay with giving up a first?????????? i am just as confused. i think i am slowly wearing their hearts and minds

I am and have been on the FreeKieff bandwagon

#freekieff #throwinknight #please

So Kieff and Knight for who or what? We don't really need or want any more guards and I'm not sure expirings matter that much unless they come with a pick and a young prospect or something? Ilyasova? I'm not all that sure he's much better than Leuer who we have playing well shooting 40% from 3. As is Teletovic.

As a detroit poster, and definitely bias i would try to get

Knight+Kieff for Jennings+Illy+Detroits First top 10 protected

however i am slowly convincing my board to at least be okay with

Illy+ Detroit top 10 protected first for Kieff.

*The protection is only there for the "iffy" posters. In reality, if we trade for Kieff, we'll be way out of the top 10.

[dremill24]

don't know why, but i feel like Detroits going to get kieff at the deadline and its going to be for a decent package, at which point we are all going to debate "what did they turn down!?"

Doubt it. SVG likes his stretch 4's

Kieffs been shooting like 40% since the coaching change
Detroits current "stretch 4's" aren't exactly snipers and suck defensively
Kieff can shoot 3's and in our offense increase his efficiency to at least average

and we're not a good trade partner.

that would depend on what PHX is actually looking for and what is being offered by other teams in comparison to Detroit. Fact of the matter is we have the one player that Kieff wants to play with and there is less risk for Detroit in comparison to other teams.

oddly enough, despite my board maintaining they don't want Kieffs "headcase/lockeroom" drama, all of a sudden more posters are okay with giving up a first?????????? i am just as confused. i think i am slowly wearing their hearts and minds

I am and have been on the FreeKieff bandwagon

#freekieff #throwinknight #please

What's the feeling on KCP over there?

[Sunsdeuce]

Anything? Anyone? Something? Give us a trade.

[Gorilla Warfare]

I think we're standing pat. Really throw a curveball at the franchise/fans.

[Blkbrd671]

What's the feeling on KCP over there?

I believe the word is Polarizing

Our board is somewhat split but most think that if he continues to develop like he has, he's going to make a similar jump that Jimmy Butler did in his 4th year.

Our coaches and FO love him(plays most mpg), he exudes "Detroit" basketball. One of those players that we'd want more than what other teams would be willing to give up.

I am almost absolutely sure SVG would want Booker included in any trade involving KCP. and phx shoudl rightfully decline

[iLLmatic3]

I think we're standing pat. Really throw a curveball at the franchise/fans.

Lol that wouldn't be a curve ball. That would be par for course.

[dremill24]

What's the feeling on KCP over there?

I believe the word is Polarizing

Our board is somewhat split but most think that if he continues to develop like he has, he's going to make a similar jump that Jimmy Butler did in his 4th year.

Our coaches and FO love him(plays most mpg), he exudes "Detroit" basketball. One of those players that we'd want more than what other teams would be willing to give up.

I am almost absolutely sure SVG would want Booker included in any trade involving KCP. and phx shoudl rightfully decline

Well **** if that's the going rate for young inefficient scorers then we should be able to net a stud for Knight.

[iLLmatic3]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/woiverticalnba/status/699366185377361926[/tweet]

Nevermind it's fake. I always fall for it. Blame it on Coro, he retweeted it.

I can't believe he didn't proof read. Where the hell did he get that tweet from anyway?

If that trade were true, it would be the first time Riley was truly fleeced in a trade.

He got fleeced for Dragic.

Yeah I wouldn't say we fleeced Riley for Dragic. We picked up a couple of first round picks next century.

[Qwigglez]

What if McD went a complete 180 and wasn't trying to get youth, but really trying to build a contender for next year?
Two trades...
Suns get-
Paul George/2016 Pacers 1st

Pacers get-
Devin Booker/TJ Warren/Archie Goodwin/Mirza/PJ Tucker
2016 Suns 1st (No protection)/2021 Miami 1st

2nd trade
Suns get-
Kevin Love

Cavs get-
Markieff Morris/Brandon Knight
Cleveland 1st/2018 Miami 1st

Just putting a different spin on this trade deadline for us. I would never want to trade Devin Booker (unless it landed us a legit superstar but even still I'd be hesitant).

[bwgood77]

Anything? Anyone? Something? Give us a trade.

My guess is nothing goes down until Thursday.

[SC923]

What if McD went a complete 180 and wasn't trying to get youth, but really trying to build a contender for next year?
Two trades...
Suns get-
Paul George/2016 Pacers 1st

Pacers get-
Devin Booker/TJ Warren/Archie Goodwin/Mirza/PJ Tucker
2016 Suns 1st (No protection)/2021 Miami 1st

2nd trade
Suns get-
Kevin Love

Cavs get-
Markieff Morris/Brandon Knight
Cleveland 1st/2018 Miami 1st

Just putting a different spin on this trade deadline for us. I would never want to trade Devin Booker (unless it landed us a legit superstar but even still I'd be hesitant).

The top of the west is just too strong and even with a Bledsoe Geroge and Love core I think we are still below Golden State, San Antonio and OKC. Also, I really think we should hold on to the pick because as much as I hate to say it I think we will end up with the worst record.

[Sunsdeuce]

I think we're standing pat. Really throw a curveball at the franchise/fans.

That would be more disappointing than the NBA draft when we traded away our draft picks and Sarver came out on stage with Amare coming off and injury, saying Amare was our draft pick.

[Blkbrd671]

Well **** if that's the going rate for young inefficient scorers then we should be able to net a stud for Knight.

this reaction is about on par with most "outside" posters reaction to KCP. However there are numerous great players now, who in their 3rd year were young inefficient scorers. Ironically Jimmy Butler is a great example of that and is also a 2 way player. As i said, it would take alot more for us to trade away KCP than teams would be willing to give up.

I don't understand why you guys wouldn't be able to net a stud for BK7. His contracts decent, his productions decent, and he can play 2 positions. I think the difference is PHX(posters) seem more willing to part ways with knight . Is that accurate?

Where as Detroit definitely has KCP as part of their core.

[Gorilla Warfare]

What if McD went a complete 180 and wasn't trying to get youth, but really trying to build a contender for next year?
Two trades...
Suns get-
Paul George/2016 Pacers 1st

Pacers get-
Devin Booker/TJ Warren/Archie Goodwin/Mirza/PJ Tucker
2016 Suns 1st (No protection)/2021 Miami 1st

2nd trade
Suns get-
Kevin Love

Cavs get-
Markieff Morris/Brandon Knight
Cleveland 1st/2018 Miami 1st

Just putting a different spin on this trade deadline for us. I would never want to trade Devin Booker (unless it landed us a legit superstar but even still I'd be hesitant).

Trade away our entire team for 2 players...I LIKE IT! We roll with 5 NBA players and 7 D-Leaguers.

POWER MOVE!

[SC923]

Alright so I was just messing around on the trade machine and this trade would never happen but I feel all three teams can benefit from it.

Phoenix Get:
David Lee
Amir Johnson
2016 Nets pick

Boston Get:
Kevin Love
Brandon Knight

Cavs Get:
Evan Turner
Markieff Morris
PJ Tucker
2016 Cavs pick back from Suns

The Suns get another top 5 pick to speed up the rebuilding process. Celtics get two players who can make them contenders in the east, while getting rid of Lee's contract. Cavs get solid role players to deepen the rotation, as well as lock down defender in Tucker.