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Game 42: Phoenix Suns (13-28) @ Minnesota T-Wolves (12-29)

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Re: Game 42: Phoenix Suns (13-28) @ Minnesota T-Wolves (12-29) 

Post#61 » by Midnight_Suns » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:18 pm

I cringe every time Knight takes a shot standing on the 3-point line.
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Post#62 » by AtheJ415 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:21 pm

Son of Ra wrote:Man I am jealous of KAT or all teams with young superstar prospects in general. Don't get me wrong, happy with Booker & Warren but I would really love someone like Amare (ideally since homebred all the way), or Nash, etc to cheer for and get excited for again.


Booker can be that guy imo. Not as sold on Warren, but Booker's continuing to show more to his offensive game, and he has the size to be a factor defensively.
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Re: Game 42: Phoenix Suns (13-28) @ Minnesota T-Wolves (12-29) 

Post#63 » by Son of Ra » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:22 pm

Knight ooping to Chandler looks like kids in high school that no matter what just throw every ball up to the one dude on the team that can really jump and dunk. It's just wild and out of control.
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Re: Game 42: Phoenix Suns (13-28) @ Minnesota T-Wolves (12-29) 

Post#64 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:24 pm

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AtheJ415 wrote:There's almost every example. Goran, Lowry, like every PG you look at increases assist % and decreases turnover % as they get older, and Knight's numbers follow that trend. The only exceptions are the truly elite passers out of the gate like Paul and Nash. And Knight is ahead of Goran as a passer at the same age, with lower turnover %'s compared to many others. But hey, that's just what the stats say. Imo, Knight is a 2 guard through and through, and to keep holding him to a PG standard is just ridiculous at this point. He's only playing the 1 for us due to a huge injury to our all star caliber PG.


I agree. In the post I just posted I mentioned that I wouldn't mind him as the starting PG if we didn't have Booker. Plus, there is the problem that he thinks he's a pg and wants to do that, and might become disgruntled a bit to not have that authority, so let him play 6th man. He comes in whenver Bledsoe or Booker sit.



He wants to be a PG, but there are a lot of players in this league who don't get what they want. It's up to the leadership, particularly the coach, to get him to buy into his role on the team. We aren't the only team that runs into these problems. We just seem to be the only one that can't fix it and allows it to be handled in the media/publicly.


Well, you conveniently forgot to mention that Bledsoe is injured and he, by default, became the pg. Unless you're saying Ronnie Price or Archie should play since you thought we had playoff worthy talent.

I've noticed you contradict yourself on that by the way. Earlier, it was, "we have playoff level talent", then it was "play our young guys, we are better with them", then it was "play our young guys as much as possible we need to tank". I understand you are not a fan of the coach, but these statements, when put together, don't make any sense whatsoever.

We were likely a 35-40 win team with a super motivated Kieff, but when that became a problem, we were automatically a sub 35, and probably a sub 30 win team. Then add Bledsoe being out, it reduces that to automatic sub 25 wins or so.
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Re: Game 42: Phoenix Suns (13-28) @ Minnesota T-Wolves (12-29) 

Post#65 » by Sunsss » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:24 pm

Did you guys see Knight's assist to Dieng? That was impressive, basically let him dunk it.
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Re: Game 42: Phoenix Suns (13-28) @ Minnesota T-Wolves (12-29) 

Post#66 » by GetYourPHX » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:25 pm

It's OK that we're bad. This has been coming for a long time. I just hope the FO finally accepts it and starts up the rebuild.

We have decent young pieces. We just need to commit to players this time around and stop treating everyone like a faceless asset.
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Re: Game 42: Phoenix Suns (13-28) @ Minnesota T-Wolves (12-29) 

Post#67 » by kennydorglas » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:26 pm

What a well-coached tanking team.
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Post#68 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:27 pm

Midnight_Suns wrote:I cringe every time Knight takes a shot standing on the 3-point line.


I think we need a twitter revolution and to bombard him....not in a way that is really negative, but have 20-100 people tweeting him telling him or asking him "why do you take so many shots with your foot on the 3 pt line?" Being a smart guy, at SOME point is HAS to set in to start paying more attention to what he is doing on the court, and put a little thought into things.
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Post#69 » by Jdiddy701 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:28 pm

Embarrassing. This team is trash.


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Post#70 » by AtheJ415 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:28 pm

Another blowout. Anybody questioning whether Bledsoe deserves to be an all-star really ought to give it up by now. His numbers show it. His value to the team clearly shows it given what we are without him.
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Re: Game 42: Phoenix Suns (13-28) @ Minnesota T-Wolves (12-29) 

Post#71 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:29 pm

GetYourPHX wrote:It's OK that we're bad. This has been coming for a long time. I just hope the FO finally accepts it and starts up the rebuild.

We have decent young pieces. We just need to commit to players this time around and stop treating everyone like a faceless asset.


The FO needs to convince Sarver to be ok with this. The bad thing is, the public just becomes more disengaged the longer the Suns are out of the playoffs.

But McD or SOMEONE Sarver listens to needs to tell him that the fans WILL come back if we build the right foundation and team, and they are not all going to jump on board if we fight for the 8 seed, get swept, barely miss the playoffs the next year, then fight and get back and lose in the first round in 5, etc.
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Post#72 » by AtheJ415 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:30 pm

GetYourPHX wrote:It's OK that we're bad. This has been coming for a long time. I just hope the FO finally accepts it and starts up the rebuild.

We have decent young pieces. We just need to commit to players this time around and stop treating everyone like a faceless asset.


What do you mean? Like in the context of this season? If so, I agree, but as far as the last few years goes, aside from signing Chandler, almost everything we've done is consistent with the rebuild.
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Post#73 » by Jdiddy701 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:30 pm

TJ Warren probably hates being on this team. He's expression says it all.


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Post#74 » by m1chal » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:32 pm

And we're back again in a familiar +20 point deficit territory!
Watching this current Suns team ain't easy :-(
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Post#75 » by jeff2020 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:32 pm

If knight really thinks he is a PG he does a pathetic job of showing the GM ownership and any potential trade partners that he is actually a PG. already has taken 18 shots today with 6 turnovers and a whopping 1 assist.
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Post#76 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:33 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:Another blowout. Anybody questioning whether Bledsoe deserves to be an all-star really ought to give it up by now. His numbers show it. His value to the team clearly shows it given what we are without him.


Yeah, obviously this team had no where near playoff level talent. Bledsoe should have been in the all star conversation, but no one other than Kobe will get consideration being on a really bad team, and he was playing some games we were bad.
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Re: Game 42: Phoenix Suns (13-28) @ Minnesota T-Wolves (12-29) 

Post#77 » by King4Day » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:33 pm

It's amazing how lost this offense is without someone who can post up. I really think, had we gotten Aldridge, we would be much better.
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Post#78 » by AtheJ415 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:33 pm

Son of Ra wrote:Knight ooping to Chandler looks like kids in high school that no matter what just throw every ball up to the one dude on the team that can really jump and dunk. It's just wild and out of control.


Yup. Seriously, I don't know what's going on with Tyson. He's our WORST DEFENSIVE PLAYER, which is damn hard to be given how bad this team is defensively.

On top of that, he barely jumps for alley oops. If anybody even breaths on him, he stops going for the ball and just flails and screams. If the pass is even a few inches high, he can't get to it. It's just ridiculous, and I don't understand why we continue to run those with him. Put Len in (once healthy) at this point if you're going to do that.

I hope Chandler holds his value into next year, because he's closing in on becoming our Kendrick Perkins.
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Post#79 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:34 pm

m1chal wrote:And we're back again in a familiar +20 point deficit territory!
Watching this current Suns team ain't easy :-(


I know. I am actually watching two of my least favorite NFL teams play right now more closely than the Suns.
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Post#80 » by King4Day » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:38 pm

Does McD really wanna to see if this team can still sneak into the playoffs? The 8th seed is really bad so us getting that wouldn't be a reward for this season. I hope he's just saying that.
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