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Re: IAmDPick: 'Suns serious about signing Bobo' 

Post#61 » by saintEscaton » Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:54 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:He looks like a Raja Bell type to me. His productivity completely depends on who he is playing with and what his role will be.


Raja was an All-NBA level perimeter defender in his prime, think you're selling him short
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Re: IAmDPick: 'Suns serious about signing Bobo' 

Post#62 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:19 pm

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jcsunsfan wrote:He looks like a Raja Bell type to me. His productivity completely depends on who he is playing with and what his role will be.


Raja was an All-NBA level perimeter defender in his prime, think you're selling him short


Raja was a marginal NBA player until he developed a three point shot and found the right situation. Then he excelled. Not trying to sell him short. He was VERY good in that particular situation for a short "prime".
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Re: IAmDPick: 'Suns serious about signing Bobo' 

Post#63 » by Years90Suns » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:26 pm

Bogdanovic is a good player that has improved a lot phisically during the last year.
He is in a good team with at least 6 more players that can score, but also make his life on the court easier.
He is not selfish by any means, that being probably his biggest lack. He is not mentally prepared to be a killer. Yet, at least...
He is not tall enough for a SG in the NBA. Neither can he play the SF position, much less the PG position. He lacks creativity for that.
He is a great shooter and also can penetrate, dish off the penetration, move the defense and find weacknesses.
But I believe he just can play SG, and he is good at it.

With BB on board, we would have Booker, Goodwin and BB.
I prefer having three good young SGs than just an average guard and a a good SF, for example.
That will create competiveness. Also Goodwin can play the SF position and the PG position, as he has already showed.

I believe we have a really good roster that needs time, a good coach who understand what to do with all these players and some patience in our side.
Of course this roster can be improved.Of course we need some inside power. But I believe Teletovic would be a good keeper. He can score from anywhere. He can defend PFs and score from three, which Warren cannot. Just a perfect combination.
Of course it would be better to change one of our stars PGs for good SF, good PF or good C, but Bledsoe is a good PG who can play defense and Knight is a 23 yo. still developing.
We just need a coach able to keep him from shooting that much.

Now we need to find out who out of Maker, Bender and Sabonis is going to be the best of them. I do not think Sabonis is ever going to be a star. A role player as a maximum. May be Bender will be the best of the three, but I also believe has the higher risk of becoming a nobody.
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Re: IAmDPick: 'Suns serious about signing Bobo' 

Post#64 » by gaspar » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:23 am

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Post#65 » by Djedefre » Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:51 pm

Years90Suns wrote:Bogdanovic is a good player that has improved a lot phisically during the last year.
He is in a good team with at least 6 more players that can score, but also make his life on the court easier.
He is not selfish by any means, that being probably his biggest lack. He is not mentally prepared to be a killer. Yet, at least...
He is not tall enough for a SG in the NBA. Neither can he play the SF position, much less the PG position. He lacks creativity for that.
He is a great shooter and also can penetrate, dish off the penetration, move the defense and find weacknesses.
But I believe he just can play SG, and he is good at it.


Bold - he is not allowed to shoot at will. Fener plays team ball, with zero tolerance for selfishness and self promotion. He's just doing what is expected from him. Simple as that. In his last year in Partizan, he was shooting 13 field goals per game in EL, and his usage was around 24% in contrast with less than 16% this season per DX. Not to mention that show in Serbian league final when he averaged 30 points per game and took the trophy almost by himself.

Red - only this season he beat the buzzer 3 times, one of that for the Turkish Cup trophy, and did the same for the Serbian national team and Partizan. If someone has the mentality to be a killer, he has. Soome could say that he already is, in Euro borders. NBA is, as we all know, a different story.

Blue - he is 6'6'' with 6'11'.5'' wingspan and that's almost prototypical for a modern SG.

Green - he played some SF for Serbian national team and Fenerbahce (especially last year) and absolutely can serve that position decently in Europe, but NBA will be a serious challenge. As far as PG qualities are concerned, he played PG for Partizan more than a half of the season when Westermann got injured, and did it pretty well, carving his ball handling down the road. He was one of the best (if not the best) SG's in 2015 Eurobasket when it comes to assist per game category with more than 3. This year he runs the p'n'r for Fener, throws oop's to Udoh and Vesely regularly, sits at 21. (first 'pure' shooting guard) spot out of 132 guards in that category in the whole EL...
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Re: IAmDPick: 'Suns serious about signing Bobo' 

Post#66 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:45 pm

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Years90Suns wrote:Bogdanovic is a good player that has improved a lot phisically during the last year.
He is in a good team with at least 6 more players that can score, but also make his life on the court easier.
He is not selfish by any means, that being probably his biggest lack. He is not mentally prepared to be a killer. Yet, at least...
He is not tall enough for a SG in the NBA. Neither can he play the SF position, much less the PG position. He lacks creativity for that.
He is a great shooter and also can penetrate, dish off the penetration, move the defense and find weacknesses.
But I believe he just can play SG, and he is good at it.


Bold - he is not allowed to shoot at will. Fener plays team ball, with zero tolerance for selfishness and self promotion. He's just doing what is expected from him. Simple as that. In his last year in Partizan, he was shooting 13 field goals per game in EL, and his usage was around 24% in contrast with less than 16% this season per DX. Not to mention that show in Serbian league final when he averaged 30 points per game and took the trophy almost by himself.

Red - only this season he beat the buzzer 3 times, one of that for the Turkish Cup trophy, and did the same for the Serbian national team and Partizan. If someone has the mentality to be a killer, he has. Soome could say that he already is, in Euro borders. NBA is, as we all know, a different story.

Blue - he is 6'6'' with 6'11'.5'' wingspan and that's almost prototypical for a modern SG.

Green - he played some SF for Serbian national team and Fenerbahce (especially last year) and absolutely can serve that position decently in Europe, but NBA will be a serious challenge. As far as PG qualities are concerned, he played PG for Partizan more than a half of the season when Westermann got injured, and did it pretty well, carving his ball handling down the road. He was one of the best (if not the best) SG's in 2015 Eurobasket when it comes to assist per game category with more than 3. This year he runs the p'n'r for Fener, throws oop's to Udoh and Vesely regularly, sits at 21. (first 'pure' shooting guard) spot out of 132 guards in that category in the whole EL...


I agree with this evaluation. To say he is not tall enough to play sg in the NBA is silly. He is the same size as Booker, taller by three inches than Brandon Knight. He has excellent size for the two, and plays physical enough for the SF in some matchups. I could easily see Bledsoe, Booker, and Bogdan on the court together.

He has the size, the confidence, etc. Everything you want. We just do not know whether it will stand up to NBA level competition or not.
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Post#67 » by Damkac » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:24 pm

Bold - he is not allowed to shoot at will. Fener plays team ball, with zero tolerance for selfishness and self promotion.

Couldn't Suns do the same please?
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Post#68 » by Ryu » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:58 am

Damkac wrote:
Bold - he is not allowed to shoot at will. Fener plays team ball, with zero tolerance for selfishness and self promotion.

Couldn't Suns do the same please?


Well, I can guarantee Brandon Knight would last one game and the half with Željko Obradović (San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich has been a longtime admirer of Obradović's coaching style, frequently praising him and admitting to "stealing his plays") as a coach.
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Post#69 » by MrTwister » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:16 pm

I've read on some Bogdan interview that there is a possibility of him and Vesely playing next year for the same team in NBA.
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Post#70 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:37 pm

MrTwister wrote:I've read on some Bogdan interview that there is a possibility of him and Vesely playing next year for the same team in NBA.


Remember where you read it? It would have to be with Phoenix, of course. Vesely was a skinny athletic big man when he was first drafted. His body has matured significantly since then. He is now a pure power player--Amare style game (in style not quality level). He is an aggressive rebounder, shot-blocker, and flies high still. He also gets up in the air quick and runs the floor very well. NBA teams have been trying to talk him into coming back since last summer. It would make sense for him to consider the Suns for two reasons: his friendship with Bogdan, and the wide-open pf position. That type of FA signing, if it is not too expensive, would make sense for the Suns this summer. They would not be blowing a lot of money, its a player with real potential (almost like a draft pick), but also with some maturity and pro experience.

He is only 26.

When you watch this clip, forget about the level of competition and focus on the height he gets on his blocks, the pogo-stick like way he comes down and goes up again, and the speed at which he runs the floor. He would be a nice back up signing with potential for more.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbTC6AT1c6Y[/youtube]
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Post#71 » by saintEscaton » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:00 pm

Bender could end up another Vesley, with more smarts and ball skills but without the hops and above the rim explosiveness or awareness inside the key. Vesley has reinvented himself as a center who is money as a diveman in the PnR, before he was a long limbed SF who couldn't shoot a lick
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Post#72 » by MrMiyagi » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:07 pm

Vesely is a volleyball player
SHAZAM!

Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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Post#73 » by saintEscaton » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:11 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:Vesely is a volleyball player


He is the Czech Chase Budinger without the beach blonde hair
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Post#74 » by MrTwister » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:44 pm

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MrTwister wrote:I've read on some Bogdan interview that there is a possibility of him and Vesely playing next year for the same team in NBA.


Remember where you read it? It would have to be with Phoenix, of course. Vesely was a skinny athletic big man when he was first drafted. His body has matured significantly since then. He is now a pure power player--Amare style game (in style not quality level). He is an aggressive rebounder, shot-blocker, and flies high still. He also gets up in the air quick and runs the floor very well. NBA teams have been trying to talk him into coming back since last summer. It would make sense for him to consider the Suns for two reasons: his friendship with Bogdan, and the wide-open pf position. That type of FA signing, if it is not too expensive, would make sense for the Suns this summer. They would not be blowing a lot of money, its a player with real potential (almost like a draft pick), but also with some maturity and pro experience.

He is only 26.

When you watch this clip, forget about the level of competition and focus on the height he gets on his blocks, the pogo-stick like way he comes down and goes up again, and the speed at which he runs the floor. He would be a nice back up signing with potential for more.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbTC6AT1c6Y[/youtube]

Its one serbian sport website which interviewed him.I can give you a link but after i translated it to english most of it made no sense.

http://www.mozzartsport.com/vesti/intervju-bogdan-bogdanovic-mozda-nekad-odigram-basket-sa-kobijem/133874

Some notes:

NBA is his dream but he came to Fenerbahce to learn from coach Obradovic and develop his game, currently focused on upcoming final four with Fenerbahce.After F4, he will talk with his team,manager,friends and family and discuss if he is ready to move on to NBA.

Some players see basketball as a job,he sees it as a way of life.

He became incredibly popular among fanbase, fan favorite.Wherever he goes fans give him various gifts, usually pictures or portraits of him.Running out of wall-space to hang all those pictures.

About his ability to hit clutch shots, he said that you cant train or learn clutch, it just depends on situation.

Credited coach Obradovic for team success and his development.

Area where he improved the most is "reading" PnR on defense.Worked on his dribbling skills, shooting and making plays of the dribble,technique, pull-up and off-the dribble shots...Said he likes to make like 300 shots each day.

Big summer for his NT and Olympic quallifiers, Serbia is host and he said he would like to qualify for Rio in front of home crowd.

Vesely and him had good chemistry together earlier, this is where he said quoting "It might be our destiny, it looks like that if we go to NBA, we will play together for the same team".

He expressed regret he wont get to play vs Kobe, his favorite player.

Started following tennis, because of N.Djokovic.Said it must be amazing feeling that entire crowd is against you and you can go out and win and shut them up.
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Post#75 » by Ryu » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:21 pm

MrTwister wrote:Some notes:

NBA is his dream but he came to Fenerbahce to learn from coach Obradovic and develop his game, currently focused on upcoming final four with Fenerbahce.After F4, he will talk with his team,manager,friends and family and discuss if he is ready to move on to NBA.

Some players see basketball as a job,he sees it as a way of life.

He became incredibly popular among fanbase, fan favorite.Wherever he goes fans give him various gifts, usually pictures or portraits of him.Running out of wall-space to hang all those pictures.

About his ability to hit clutch shots, he said that you cant train or learn clutch, it just depends on situation.

Credited coach Obradovic for team success and his development.

Area where he improved the most is "reading" PnR on defense.Worked on his dribbling skills, shooting and making plays of the dribble,technique, pull-up and off-the dribble shots...Said he likes to make like 300 shots each day.

Big summer for his NT and Olympic quallifiers, Serbia is host and he said he would like to qualify for Rio in front of home crowd.

Vesely and him had good chemistry together earlier, this is where he said quoting "It might be our destiny, it looks like that if we go to NBA, we will play together for the same team".

He expressed regret he wont get to play vs Kobe, his favorite player.

Started following tennis, because of N.Djokovic.Said it must be amazing feeling that entire crowd is against you and you can go out and win and shut them up.


Bogi legenda.

I wouldn`t be surprised if McD make it three and take Nikola Kalinic with Bogdanovic and Vesely to the Valley. A very interesting player with attributes which would translate to the NBA game just fine, imho. An athletic small forward and a lockdown defender with 3-pt range.
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Post#76 » by bwgood77 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:36 pm

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MrTwister wrote:I've read on some Bogdan interview that there is a possibility of him and Vesely playing next year for the same team in NBA.


Remember where you read it? It would have to be with Phoenix, of course. Vesely was a skinny athletic big man when he was first drafted. His body has matured significantly since then. He is now a pure power player--Amare style game (in style not quality level). He is an aggressive rebounder, shot-blocker, and flies high still. He also gets up in the air quick and runs the floor very well. NBA teams have been trying to talk him into coming back since last summer. It would make sense for him to consider the Suns for two reasons: his friendship with Bogdan, and the wide-open pf position. That type of FA signing, if it is not too expensive, would make sense for the Suns this summer. They would not be blowing a lot of money, its a player with real potential (almost like a draft pick), but also with some maturity and pro experience.

He is only 26.

When you watch this clip, forget about the level of competition and focus on the height he gets on his blocks, the pogo-stick like way he comes down and goes up again, and the speed at which he runs the floor. He would be a nice back up signing with potential for more.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbTC6AT1c6Y[/youtube]


Oh yeah, if he was taken as high as he was with the Washington pick and had been a draft and stash player all these years, the hype with him would be big. He has pretty good numbers at 12, 7, 2, 1 and 1 on 61.4% shooting. They play more team ball and have 5 guys scoring between 10.9 and 12.4 ppg.

There would be no need not to give him a shot.
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Post#77 » by bwgood77 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:39 pm

MrTwister wrote:Vesely and him had good chemistry together earlier, this is where he said quoting "It might be our destiny, it looks like that if we go to NBA, we will play together for the same team".


Very interesting that it sounds like someone may have already talked to him about this.
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Post#78 » by Walt_Uoob » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:47 pm

Those do sound like very McDonough moves. Signing Vesely would be like the Weems and Chandler signings in one: low-risk moderate-reward contract with bonus of possibly convincing Bogdan to come over on the rookie scale deal instead of waiting and demanding a larger contract later.
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Post#79 » by UcanUwill » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:29 pm

Fene will play Laboral in the final 4. It will be interesting how Bogdan fairs against Adam Hanga. who is NBA caliber athlete and defender. (Assuming Hanga is healthy and guards Bobo, that is)
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Post#80 » by UcanUwill » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:33 pm

Don't be fooled by that video tho, Vesely is not a very good rim protector on average. He is averaging 1 block in 28 minutes, which for a center, is not very good.

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