Suns @ Rockets

[bwgood77]

Idk if you are being serious or sarcastic. When you factor in the Suns own pick and all the other picks they own, they can make great offers for just about any player out there. I expect the pick to be available for the right player.

I am not sure who you consider superstars but the ones I can think of are unlikely on the table. The only semi one that might be is Love and Cleveland doesn't want picks, they need players to play with LeBron now. So I am being sarcastic, because you keep saying we will trade for a superstar but there are only a handful of them and teams with them won't trade them for unknowns unless they have to. Blake Griffin is the one other guy, but he is a free agent soon, so that would be a risk. In my estimation, he would be the ONLY possibility, but we could probably only do it later with a guy like Telly signed, but we still don't really have enough unless they want a guy like Knight, and Paul's time is running short, so he probably wouldn't be happy with picks either.

I don't think people competing blow it up. Chicago doesn't look like they make the playoffs, so there is Butler people have mentioned, but he is more of a young cornerstone to build around, and they would get rid of vets to competing teams more than trade a key guy who could be with them for 10 years rather than trade him for picks...they already have him, Portis, McDermott and others, including their own lottery pick this year. And is he a superstar anyway?

I am looking at Paul George specifically. If the Suns offered their own pick and the Cleveland pick and a couple of players besides Booker, it would be hard for Indiana to turn that down. Their team is not that good. Idk of any big time players signing with the Pacers. They have to be realistic. If they can get a top quality package for George that overall improves their team, then they seriously think about it. And you never get back stars when you trade a superstar. It is usually always a package of young players and picks and more than likely those players never turn out to be much of anything.

I also would absolutely trade for Griffin if it is not a top two pick but I highly doubt the Clippers would do it. And I would trade for James Harden in a heartbeat. People can say whatever they want about this defense but that Rockets team is a mess and I think combining him and Booker would be amazing.

The biggest thing is that the Suns have been irrelevant for quite a while. It is not good. They need to do something big that will attract free agents and improve their talent immediately.

Pacers fan would revolt in a MUCH bigger way than our fans would if they traded him as opposed to us trading Booker. They are a small market team that won't find a guy like him and he came back from a major injury and they stood by him. I'd say that chance is about as close to zero as they come. If you are right, I will be very happy though.

[LukasBMW]

Absolutely unbelievable.

This loss hurts both of our pick positioning. It potentially bumps Houston down in front of Washington and also makes us now tied with Brooklyn.

Stupid Stupid Stupid.

Tucker, Mirza, and Chandler won the game. Wow. Great job guys.

McDonough needs to take responsibility NOW! I'm sure you guys have seen gone in 60 seconds. Remember when Al Pacino and Cameron Diaz fight about who can play and who can't? I'm not an insider but I KNOW for a FACT that those situations are real!

I don't give a F*** what Watson, Chandler, Tucker, or Mirza say. McDonough needs to address the team, congratulate them on their moral victory (knocking Houston out of the playoffs) and TELL Watson that Booker, Tucker, and Chandler need to rest for next season. Mirza also needs to rest to preserve his free agency.

Our final lineup of the year will be:

Archie/Price
Jenkins
Budinger
Leur/Williams
Len

How stupid would it be for Booker or Chandler to sustain an injury trying to win a meaningless game that hurts our draft order?

Time to grow some balls and tank properly. The NBA will not reward us for being honest.

This reminds me of the Cardinals a few years back. They'd always win stupid games after being eliminated from the playoffs and thus never got a super high pick. WTF!

[LukasBMW]

This could have totally been a "FU" by Watson to McDonough given the coaching leak today.

Suspicious that this was the only game in recent memory that did not involve a 4th quarter collapse.

[TeamTragic]

Absolutely unbelievable.

This loss hurts both of our pick positioning. It potentially bumps Houston down in front of Washington and also makes us now tied with Brooklyn.

Stupid Stupid Stupid.

Tucker, Mirza, and Chandler won the game. Wow. Great job guys.

McDonough needs to take responsibility NOW! I'm sure you guys have seen gone in 60 seconds. Remember when Al Pacino and Cameron Diaz fight about who can play and who can't? I'm not an insider but I KNOW for a FACT that those situations are real!

I don't give a F*** what Watson, Chandler, Tucker, or Mirza say. McDonough needs to address the team, congratulate them on their moral victory (knocking Houston out of the playoffs) and TELL Watson that Booker, Tucker, and Chandler need to rest for next season. Mirza also needs to rest to preserve his free agency.

Our final lineup of the year will be:

Archie/Price
Jenkins
Budinger
Leur/Williams
Len

How stupid would it be for Booker or Chandler to sustain an injury trying to win a meaningless game that hurts our draft order?

Time to grow some balls and tank properly. The NBA will not reward us for being honest.

This reminds me of the Cardinals a few years back. They'd always win stupid games after being eliminated from the playoffs and thus never got a super high pick. WTF!

I seriously hope that we don't look back at this win and add yet another devastating blow to this franchise come lottery time.

This could have totally been a "FU" by Watson to McDonough given the coaching leak today.

Suspicious that this was the only game in recent memory that did not involve a 4th quarter collapse.

That leak was strange and now this win. I'm not sure I understand the connection.

[DirtyDez]

You guys are reading into that rumor way too much.

[saintEscaton]

Mission accomplished. Collectively rage quitting

[Qwigglez]

I think we won mostly because we got two dirt workers in Price and Tucker, three if you count Tyson but only when he wants to work hard. I wouldn't mind the win so much if we had all young guys developing and only three vets just to get a morale boost, but since our team consist of mostly veterans and only two core players (Booker/Len) the win is kind of meaningless. I expect most of our roster to be gone this off-season so we can't really build on this win.

[BVPN]

This could have totally been a "FU" by Watson to McDonough given the coaching leak today.

Suspicious that this was the only game in recent memory that did not involve a 4th quarter collapse.

Implying that every other game Watson has been trying to lose but today he was like FU McD we're gonna win...? The Suns haven't been trying to lose, they lose because they suck. The idea that Watson could one day just decide to win a game and then pull it off with this roster is laughable. We tried our damn best to collapse in the 4th, the rockets are just better at choking 4th quarters than we are.

[BVPN]

I think we won mostly because we got two dirt workers in Price and Tucker, three if you count Tyson but only when he wants to work hard. I wouldn't mind the win so much if we had all young guys developing and only three vets just to get a morale boost, but since our team consist of mostly veterans and only two core players (Booker/Len) the win is kind of meaningless. I expect most of our roster to be gone this off-season so we can't really build on this win.

I'd say Archie had one of the best performances today, and he's someone that could be a part of this team moving forward, or at least a trade asset.

[Qwigglez]

I think we won mostly because we got two dirt workers in Price and Tucker, three if you count Tyson but only when he wants to work hard. I wouldn't mind the win so much if we had all young guys developing and only three vets just to get a morale boost, but since our team consist of mostly veterans and only two core players (Booker/Len) the win is kind of meaningless. I expect most of our roster to be gone this off-season so we can't really build on this win.

I'd say Archie had one of the best performances today, and he's someone that could be a part of this team moving forward, or at least a trade asset.

There was a recent podcast or something that McD mentioned our core moving forward and left Archie out of that group. He won't be on the team after next summer unless something changes.

[batsmasher]

There was a recent podcast or something that McD mentioned our core moving forward and left Archie out of that group. He won't be on the team after next summer unless something changes.

By every measure you can think of, Archie is a bad player. He hasn't really ever had a game where you've thought "wow this guy can be a good player".

That jumpshot is still as shaky as it was in college. Those handles are still college handles. His vision will never be above average. His inconsistent effort is the biggest red flag for his development. You want to be great? You have to give effort like you already are.

His extended run about 20 games ago was his biggest chance to be a part of the future, and overall it was a resounding "meh".

It's a shame, he's such an exciting finisher. Unfortunately, no more than that.

[Saberestar]

Wowww.

The Rockets are a terrible team because Howard is absolutely DONE. He is a shadow of himself, he couldn't control the boards and offensively he is worse than Chandler or Len right now because he can't shot free throws.

Monster game by Tucker and Teletovic. Hopefully the Nets win at least one game before the end of the season because #3 it's on a serious danger now.

[Qwigglez]

There was a recent podcast or something that McD mentioned our core moving forward and left Archie out of that group. He won't be on the team after next summer unless something changes.

By every measure you can think of, Archie is a bad player. He hasn't really ever had a game where you've thought "wow this guy can be a good player".

That jumpshot is still as shaky as it was in college. Those handles are still college handles. His vision will never be above average. His inconsistent effort is the biggest red flag for his development. You want to be great? You have to give effort like you already are.

His extended run about 20 games ago was his biggest chance to be a part of the future, and overall it was a resounding "meh".

It's a shame, he's such an exciting finisher. Unfortunately, no more than that.

It sucks that I pretty much agree with you even though I try to give everyone the benefit of a doubt. His jumpshot I will say has definitely improved, but that doesn't say much because he started off with a very poor jumper. His handles, he constantly faces the basket. It makes him one dimensional because he can only dribble one way and that is just straight ahead.
His string of games I thought would make him a more useful asset but I bet no GM was willing to offer anything more than a conditional 2nd round pick. A lot of players drafted in the 20's I would think are out of the league after their rookie contract, you really got to find a home run for them to stick. I've pretty much given up on Archie and I think it's no one's fault but his own. He has a bad attitude which I believe stemmed from hanging out with the MoBros too much.

[MathiasPW]

2 Tapatalk pages of game comments and 8 of tanker whining. People don't even watch games anymore, and get only upset about the positive results.

Sad moment for the Suns franchise

[King4Day]

I'm fine with wins if it's the kids helping. If Archie, Len, or Booker are doing it, then what can ya do. I don't quite get why he's allowing the veterans to stay in there. Winning culture is good and all but a game on the road like this shouldn't have been necessary.

We aren't losing to the Pels and will probably beat the Kings too, so barring miraculous wins by the Nets (not happening) we'll end with the 4th seed.

Not a huge difference in terms of ping pong balls, but as someone said, if we finish 4th but the 3rd seed gets a higher pick, that will sting more than anything. Especially if we get pushed backto 5,6, or even 7.

That said, keep in mind that Anthony Davis and Derrick rose were picked by the 5th worst and 9th worst teams. So it's still possible.

[King4Day]

Also, I agree it's time to sit Len and Booker. They're not going to learn anything more this season. No reason to risk injury. Especially Len who had foot issues early on in his career.
Also, Leuer should be getting more time over Tele if healthy as he's going to be more likely resigned as he'll be cheaper. Need to make sure we don't throw him a 4 year contract worth 40 mil for nothing.

[batsmasher]

It sucks that I pretty much agree with you even though I try to give everyone the benefit of a doubt. His jumpshot I will say has definitely improved, but that doesn't say much because he started off with a very poor jumper. His handles, he constantly faces the basket. It makes him one dimensional because he can only dribble one way and that is just straight ahead.
His string of games I thought would make him a more useful asset but I bet no GM was willing to offer anything more than a conditional 2nd round pick. A lot of players drafted in the 20's I would think are out of the league after their rookie contract, you really got to find a home run for them to stick. I've pretty much given up on Archie and I think it's no one's fault but his own. He has a bad attitude which I believe stemmed from hanging out with the MoBros too much.

I really liked the Archie pick at the time. The finishing has always been there, and his deficiencies could be put down to his age. If he at least improved on one of his deficiencies, he'd be an NBA prospect.

On the flip side, I wasnt a fan of the Booker pick as I wasn't sold on his ability to translate the shooting, nor did I think he had any other skill that he could become really good at.

It just goes to show that "NBA ready" skills really mean f all. Attitude and the ability to learn are 1A when it comes to becoming a good player.

[m1chal]

So we won. Oh well, it hurts the tank, but on the other hand, we basically made sure the Rockets won't be in the playoffs this season. To me, this is worth a lot. Take that, Howard and Harden

[Dirk]

Thanks for the win guys.

[i505]

I'm sure you guys have seen gone in 60 seconds. Remember when Al Pacino and Cameron Diaz fight about who can play and who can't?

Any Given Sunday.