Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

Post #61 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 9:07 pm

A trade idea...
Suns get-
Miles Plumlee
Hornets 1st

Hornets get-
Tyson Chandler

I know, nobody likes Plumlee. I didn't hate him when he was with us, he seemed to be a reliable hustle player. I wouldn't hate the deal just because we would be forced to play Len more.

TOO · Post #62 » by **TOO** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 10:17 pm

He's got a 4/52 contract, that 1st isnt worth absorbing that. Plus what does Len get if we are willing to pay that to a scrub?

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #63 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 10:26 pm

Would you rather have Capela and Dekker than Len and Warren?

LukasBMW · Post #64 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 10:52 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Would you rather have Capela and Dekker than Len and Warren?

No.

I still think TJ will be better then the 3 other players combined.

LukasBMW · Post #65 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 10:54 pm

What a shame about Bender. As soon as the tank started rolling downhill full speed, I expected him to start getting more minutes.

Kinda strange how quiet the Suns have kept injuries to Bender and TJ. I'm starting to think it's just the new way the front office operates.

DirtyDez · Post #66 » by **DirtyDez** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 10:56 pm

New thread eh? To continue the Jabari debate he's worth a pick in the 5-7 range in this draft. Bledsoe's value is late-lottery... I see him eventually being a more explosive and bigger Melo who can go coast-to-coast.

Post #67 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 11:21 pm

DirtyDez wrote:New thread eh? To continue the Jabari debate he's worth a pick in the 5-7 range in this draft. Bledsoe's value is late-lottery... I see him eventually being a more explosive and bigger Melo who can go coast-to-coast.

You think they are looking to move him? Are you saying to make that swap? What about our rookies? Don't see them in the future?

YouTube · Post #68 » by **Kerrsed** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 11:30 pm

Post #69 » by **GimmeDat** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 11:33 pm

Hey guys, would you guys be open to a Butler deal? We've sort of focused on Minnesota and Boston as main targets, but with LaVine down and Ainge probably lowballing, I figured you guys would be a great partner.

Would something like the PHX 17 pick, Warren, Bender interest you guys?

Could expand to include Gibson maybe? We could take whatever filler you value the least.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Chriss/Chandler
Ulis/Knight/Tucker/Gibson/Len

seems like a strong team, and with your MIA/SAC picks to come.

Christine-In-AZ · Post #70 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 11:51 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Hey guys, would you guys be open to a Butler deal? We've sort of focused on Minnesota and Boston as main targets, but with LaVine down and Ainge probably lowballing, I figured you guys would be a great partner.

Would something like the PHX 17 pick, Warren, Bender interest you guys?

Could expand to include Gibson maybe? We could take whatever filler you value the least.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Chriss/Chandler
Ulis/Knight/Tucker/Gibson/Len

seems like a strong team, and with your MIA/SAC picks to come.

How 'bout Chriss and Suns '19 (1-10 protected) instead of Bender?

PHX '17 & '19 (11-30) pick, Warren, Chriss

jcsunsfan · Post #71 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 11:55 pm

Why is Chicago trying to trade Butler?

DirtyDez · Post #72 » by **DirtyDez** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 11:58 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:New thread eh? To continue the Jabari debate he's worth a pick in the 5-7 range in this draft. Bledsoe's value is late-lottery... I see him eventually being a more explosive and bigger Melo who can go coast-to-coast.

You think they are looking to move him? Are you saying to make that swap? What about our rookies? Don't see them in the future?

No just chatting about their value from the last thread.

Post #73 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:02 am

DirtyDez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:New thread eh? To continue the Jabari debate he's worth a pick in the 5-7 range in this draft. Bledsoe's value is late-lottery... I see him eventually being a more explosive and bigger Melo who can go coast-to-coast.

You think they are looking to move him? Are you saying to make that swap? What about our rookies? Don't see them in the future?

No just chatting about their value from the last thread.

Jabari's probably got more value because of age, less injury history, rookie contract, rights to keep for longer, etc. Tons of pgs in the league and Bledsoe only under contract for a couple more years.

It all depends on a team and the circumstances and what one particular team needs though in what they will give up for someone. Jabari's value will go up if he can become a better defender and/or continue to get better shooting the 3.

Post #74 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:03 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Hey guys, would you guys be open to a Butler deal? We've sort of focused on Minnesota and Boston as main targets, but with LaVine down and Ainge probably lowballing, I figured you guys would be a great partner.

Would something like the PHX 17 pick, Warren, Bender interest you guys?

Could expand to include Gibson maybe? We could take whatever filler you value the least.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Chriss/Chandler
Ulis/Knight/Tucker/Gibson/Len

seems like a strong team, and with your MIA/SAC picks to come.

How 'bout Chriss and Suns '19 (1-10 protected) instead of Bender?

PHX '17 & '19 (11-30) pick, Warren, Chriss

Do you guys prefer Bender to Chriss? You guys would have a better understanding of their value than mine.

I would do Chriss/top 10 protected 2019 pick instead of Bender, sure.

If we include Gibson and/or more, I'd like to swap that 2019 PGX pick with your preference of the MIA/SAC picks, though.

re: The guy who asked why we're looking to trade him - combination of the supporting cast sucking, some FO drama, etc. Basically nothing wrong on Butler's part, but a lot of fans feel like we can't build a good team around him in his prime and would like to sell high with a strong draft coming up.

Christine-In-AZ · Post #75 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:03 am

jcsunsfan wrote:Why is Chicago trying to trade Butler?

To facilitate a true rebuild

Post #76 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:04 am

GimmeDat wrote:Hey guys, would you guys be open to a Butler deal? We've sort of focused on Minnesota and Boston as main targets, but with LaVine down and Ainge probably lowballing, I figured you guys would be a great partner.

Would something like the PHX 17 pick, Warren, Bender interest you guys?

Could expand to include Gibson maybe? We could take whatever filler you value the least.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Chriss/Chandler
Ulis/Knight/Tucker/Gibson/Len

seems like a strong team, and with your MIA/SAC picks to come.

I'm sure plenty would love to go for that. I kind of want us to grow organically. Butler's a stud, but is he coachable?

Christine-In-AZ · Post #77 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:07 am

GimmeDat wrote:Do you guys prefer Bender to Chriss? You guys would have a better understanding of their value than mine.

I would do Chriss/top 10 protected 2019 pick instead of Bender, sure.

For me it's easily Bender (much higher BBIQ/Defensive skills), but I still like what I've seen from Chriss.

LukasBMW · Post #78 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:07 am

GimmeDat wrote:Hey guys, would you guys be open to a Butler deal? We've sort of focused on Minnesota and Boston as main targets, but with LaVine down and Ainge probably lowballing, I figured you guys would be a great partner.

Would something like the PHX 17 pick, Warren, Bender interest you guys?

Could expand to include Gibson maybe? We could take whatever filler you value the least.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Chriss/Chandler
Ulis/Knight/Tucker/Gibson/Len

seems like a strong team, and with your MIA/SAC picks to come.

I'm not a huge fan of Butler given the whispers of attitude problems, but I'd be open to trading our 17 pick (protected for #1 only), TJ, and Bender for him. I think if you remove the locker room issues, that is a bargain (talent wise) for us.

I honestly think we compete for a playoff spot, especially if we can turn the Miami picks into another star or decent center.

Post #79 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:15 am

bwgood77 wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Hey guys, would you guys be open to a Butler deal? We've sort of focused on Minnesota and Boston as main targets, but with LaVine down and Ainge probably lowballing, I figured you guys would be a great partner.

Would something like the PHX 17 pick, Warren, Bender interest you guys?

Could expand to include Gibson maybe? We could take whatever filler you value the least.

Bledsoe/Booker/Butler/Chriss/Chandler
Ulis/Knight/Tucker/Gibson/Len

seems like a strong team, and with your MIA/SAC picks to come.

I'm sure plenty would love to go for that. I kind of want us to grow organically. Butler's a stud, but is he coachable?

I think he is, yeah. I think the attitude things are way overblown.

Last year he found himself in a position as the best player over long tenured/respected vets in Noah and Rose, and there was a bit of a leadership struggle there, but I wouldn't blame him for that. He just saw dysfunction, tried to use an outspoken, willful leadership style to change things, and there was resistance to that.

I don't think it would be as much of an issue if we didn't have Hoiberg, either. He's a 'rookie' NBA coach that isn't very good and no one respects, which creates a hierarchy issue which forces other players to try and fill the build - enter Jimmy.

End of the day, he's outspoken, but he's also encouraging of everyone and is well liked through the league. When things are as dysfunctional as they were in that moment with Wade/Butler comments, Rondo IG post, etc., it can appear to manifest itself negatively, but in a better situation I think he's a great character guy to have around.

Not trying to sell him to you, just being honest. I love Jimmy, I only want to move him because I'm frustrated with the FO and see how crap our supporting cast is. Wade's only going to get older, we have 3 RFA's this off-season, and our 'young talent' are 23-25.

I think it would be a pretty cool lineup in Phoenix - you get to capitalize on Bledsoe's great play, Booker fits well as a shooter between him and Butler, etc. You have a lot of great vet pieces as well in Tucker, Dudley, Chandler, etc.

DirtyDez · Post #80 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:15 am

bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
You think they are looking to move him? Are you saying to make that swap? What about our rookies? Don't see them in the future?

No just chatting about their value from the last thread.

Jabari's probably got more value because of age, less injury history, rookie contract, rights to keep for longer, etc. Tons of pgs in the league and Bledsoe only under contract for a couple more years.

It all depends on a team and the circumstances and what one particular team needs though in what they will give up for someone. Jabari's value will go up if he can become a better defender and/or continue to get better shooting the 3.

I agree. AtheJ415 outlined his defensive shortcomings but his ceiling is so high offensively that it puts him well over Bledsoe value-wise. I haven't watched a lot of Jabari this year but he looks more explosive now than he did pre-ACL. His body also looks leaner. He had some baby fat at Duke.