2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Trade season begins

[bwgood77]

You'd do it even with a likely chance he leaves in FA? My guess is it would be greater than 50% given he will want the MOST money and a big role definitely starting, and wants to be in a big market.

Not sure I'd give up a chance to get the next Shai in the draft on a cost controlled contract for possibly a half year of Kuzma but at best probably an overpaid Kuzma who can't be the 2nd best player on a contender, and would have to be 3rd or 4th in the pecking order which he probably wouldn't want to be.

If NY could get him I think he'd love to go to a place like that and be the star with Brunson more than playing for a team like us.

I wonder who would trade down a Randle for Kuzma trade.

It's funny you mention that man, because earlier this afternoon I was thinking about how we could do a 3 team trade sending Kuzma to New York, Randle to us and Crowder, fillers/ pick to Washington. Although I'd personally love to get that Washington 1st honestly. But then I thought....................................... Why wouldn't Washington just pay Kuzma around 22+ million to just stay IF they're going to take back Randle's salary as they're both so similar anyways??

I was on the Toronto board and they were all talking about trading Siakam to us for Ayton+

I always thought that was a dark horse Ayton spot and Pasqual would be a great PF for us. It would depend on what the plus was I suppose. They said either Mikal by himself or CamJo+3FRPs.

I think I'd prefer the 1st choice IF we can get one of their other long guys back. I'm thinking Precious Achuwa and filler. Gives us a good, young center who is switchy albeit a injury prone one along with another all pro to pair with Booker who is about the same age. He's also switchable and can hit the 3.

Problems are that according to Dino fans, he'll be seeking a supermax. Not sure if he's worth that.

Thoughts?

Yes, that would be a great move. I think they are pretty committed to Barnes, Siakam and FVV though, and would potentially trade OG and G Trent Jr, so would you do that? Maybe see if they throw in Koloko?

[Saberestar]

Props to James Jones who signed Okogie and Damion Lee FOR THE MINIMUM and they are giving us excellent production. Proud of him as our GM.

[bwgood77]

I think if we face the Pels in the playoffs again we're going to get smoked. I'll be surprised if it goes past 5.

I don't want to face them. Memphis would probably be the toughest, or potentially a healthy Clippers team, but I don't know if that can happen...however Kawhi usually rests a lot to be ready for the playoffs.

[suns12345]

Props to James Jones who signed Okogie and Damion Lee FOR THE MINIMUM and they are giving us excellent production. Proud of him as our GM.

JJ is polarising. I am coming around to the BW criticism of not drafting Haliburton and other wasted value.

Gosh we would be set with our PGotF next to CP3.

But he has made good moves around the periphery to keep us going, and made the CP3 trade and got us Monty which is why we became relevant.

So its hard to place how I feel about him.

[Jdiddy701]

Boston lost at home to Orlando and lost 4 of the last 5 games. Trade everyone!! Hurry!!!


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[lilfishi22]

Props to James Jones who signed Okogie and Damion Lee FOR THE MINIMUM and they are giving us excellent production. Proud of him as our GM.

JJ is polarising. I am coming around to the BW criticism of not drafting Haliburton and other wasted value.

Gosh we would be set with our PGotF next to CP3.

But he has made good moves around the periphery to keep us going, and made the CP3 trade and got us Monty which is why we became relevant.

So its hard to place how I feel about him.

I just don't think JJ is very good at spotting young talent and the Suns not having much luck in the draft over the past decade just makes things look worse. Book turning into an all-NBA guy is something not even McD would've expected. The Mikal trade for a guy who isn't in the NBA anymore was a hella move but overall the Suns draft record really hasn't been good, especially outside of the lottery where we haven't hit on anyone since Dragic? Bogdanovic has been pretty good for a late first rounder but he was moved frustratingly for Chriss )before he even got to the NBA. Jones got lucky with Cam being good but that Haliburton pick should've been obvious to anyone. He's now turning out to be the best player in that draft (him or Ant) whereas Smith just never felt like he was going to be much more than a rotation guy at best. Bit ironic Jalen and Hali are on the same team now

[lilfishi22]

Boston lost at home to Orlando and lost 4 of the last 5 games. Trade everyone!! Hurry!!!


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Kinda weird the Celtics lost two games in a row to the Magic, at home

[dremill24]

Having Ayton as higher value than Siakam is quite a take lol

[Saberestar]

Props to James Jones who signed Okogie and Damion Lee FOR THE MINIMUM and they are giving us excellent production. Proud of him as our GM.

JJ is polarising. I am coming around to the BW criticism of not drafting Haliburton and other wasted value.

Gosh we would be set with our PGotF next to CP3.

But he has made good moves around the periphery to keep us going, and made the CP3 trade and got us Monty which is why we became relevant.

So its hard to place how I feel about him.

Yeah, I understand you about Haliburton but you need to remember that ELEVEN franchises did the same mistake (he was selected #12) and that he specifically said that he didn't want to get drafted by the Suns.

James Jones made a mistake drafting Jalen Smith over him, no doubt about it, but those things happen all the time to every GM.

All things considered he has been outstanding as a GM for the Suns.

[JDJ26]

Props to James Jones who signed Okogie and Damion Lee FOR THE MINIMUM and they are giving us excellent production. Proud of him as our GM.

JJ is polarising. I am coming around to the BW criticism of not drafting Haliburton and other wasted value.

Gosh we would be set with our PGotF next to CP3.

But he has made good moves around the periphery to keep us going, and made the CP3 trade and got us Monty which is why we became relevant.

So its hard to place how I feel about him.

I think James Jones is very limited on what he can do because of Sarver. A lot of recent moves seem to be cost saving measures to avoid the luxury tax.

Hopefully with new (and very wealthy) ownership, Jones can operate without being on a shoestring budget.

[lilfishi22]

Props to James Jones who signed Okogie and Damion Lee FOR THE MINIMUM and they are giving us excellent production. Proud of him as our GM.

JJ is polarising. I am coming around to the BW criticism of not drafting Haliburton and other wasted value.

Gosh we would be set with our PGotF next to CP3.

But he has made good moves around the periphery to keep us going, and made the CP3 trade and got us Monty which is why we became relevant.

So its hard to place how I feel about him.

Yeah, I understand you about Haliburton but you need to remember that ELEVEN franchises did the same mistake (he was selected #12) and that he specifically said that he didn't want to get drafted by the Suns.

James Jones made a mistake drafting Jalen Smith over him, no doubt about it, but those things happen all the time to every GM.

All things considered he has been outstanding as a GM for the Suns.

What do you think he's bad at from a GM'ing perspective?

[Saberestar]

JJ is polarising. I am coming around to the BW criticism of not drafting Haliburton and other wasted value.

Gosh we would be set with our PGotF next to CP3.

But he has made good moves around the periphery to keep us going, and made the CP3 trade and got us Monty which is why we became relevant.

So its hard to place how I feel about him.

Yeah, I understand you about Haliburton but you need to remember that ELEVEN franchises did the same mistake (he was selected #12) and that he specifically said that he didn't want to get drafted by the Suns.

James Jones made a mistake drafting Jalen Smith over him, no doubt about it, but those things happen all the time to every GM.

All things considered he has been outstanding as a GM for the Suns.

What do you think he's bad at from a GM'ing perspective?

Probably too slow taking some decisions, like the Crowder stuff.

And he isn't very good talking to the media and fans, he is boring in interviews.

Without much thought those two things.

[Puff]

Props to James Jones who signed Okogie and Damion Lee FOR THE MINIMUM and they are giving us excellent production. Proud of him as our GM.

JJ is polarising. I am coming around to the BW criticism of not drafting Haliburton and other wasted value.

Gosh we would be set with our PGotF next to CP3.

But he has made good moves around the periphery to keep us going, and made the CP3 trade and got us Monty which is why we became relevant.

So its hard to place how I feel about him.

I just don't think JJ is very good at spotting young talent and the Suns not having much luck in the draft over the past decade just makes things look worse. Book turning into an all-NBA guy is something not even McD would've expected. The Mikal trade for a guy who isn't in the NBA anymore was a hella move but overall the Suns draft record really hasn't been good, especially outside of the lottery where we haven't hit on anyone since Dragic? Bogdanovic has been pretty good for a late first rounder but he was moved frustratingly for Chriss )before he even got to the NBA. Jones got lucky with Cam being good but that Haliburton pick should've been obvious to anyone. He's now turning out to be the best player in that draft (him or Ant) whereas Smith just never felt like he was going to be much more than a rotation guy at best. Bit ironic Jalen and Hali are on the same team now

We all are disappointed with Jones not drafting Haliburton and it is his fault in the end. However, as I understand our scouting department has been terrible. Is that James Jones fault or Sarver's fault. We seemed to have shored up some of those weaknesses this past off season. Hopefully we make better decisions going forward.

I actually liked the pick of Jalen Smith. I doubt any of us have been 100 % correct on our suggested draft picks or trades. Even that genius in Toronto has made mistakes.

[Slim Charless]

Props to James Jones who signed Okogie and Damion Lee FOR THE MINIMUM and they are giving us excellent production. Proud of him as our GM.

JJ is polarising. I am coming around to the BW criticism of not drafting Haliburton and other wasted value.

Gosh we would be set with our PGotF next to CP3.

But he has made good moves around the periphery to keep us going, and made the CP3 trade and got us Monty which is why we became relevant.

So its hard to place how I feel about him.

I just don't think JJ is very good at spotting young talent and the Suns not having much luck in the draft over the past decade just makes things look worse. Book turning into an all-NBA guy is something not even McD would've expected. The Mikal trade for a guy who isn't in the NBA anymore was a hella move but overall the Suns draft record really hasn't been good, especially outside of the lottery where we haven't hit on anyone since Dragic? Bogdanovic has been pretty good for a late first rounder but he was moved frustratingly for Chriss )before he even got to the NBA. Jones got lucky with Cam being good but that Haliburton pick should've been obvious to anyone. He's now turning out to be the best player in that draft (him or Ant) whereas Smith just never felt like he was going to be much more than a rotation guy at best. Bit ironic Jalen and Hali are on the same team now

Part of us not being able to find young guys is Sarver gutting our scouting department. I think the new owner will actually apply some money there and we'll start getting dudes. That's part of the reason I'm real hesitant to trade future picks.

[Slim Charless]

Having Ayton as higher value than Siakam is quite a take lol

I'd trade Ayton and CamJo for him any day of the week.

[Calvin Klein]

Winning a championship feels amazing. I can confirm. Holy ****. This is so emotional.

[sunsfan1o1]

Boston lost at home to Orlando and lost 4 of the last 5 games. Trade everyone!! Hurry!!!


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Lmao. Boston is stacked.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Boston lost at home to Orlando and lost 4 of the last 5 games. Trade everyone!! Hurry!!!


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Kinda weird the Celtics lost two games in a row to the Magic, at home

Didn't see the games specifically. But if I was to venture a guess, I'd say that Orlando beat them in the frontcourt with their size disparity ( with Timelord out). And no real significant frontcourt depth. But ultimately I don't really care what other teams do. I only have focus on the suns and what their needs are?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Having Ayton as higher value than Siakam is quite a take lol

To each their own I guess!.....lol.

Ayton clearly has a much higher ceiling than Siakim. More size, better efficiency, better athleticism, better efficiency and really better production the majority of the time, and he beats Siakim handily ( even as a 4th option) in PLAYOFFS advanced stats when it matters most! He also has a better defensive rating is younger and is cheaper contractually too. But I understand, we all like who we like it seems. So under these considerations, I see you having Siakim with more value than Ayton being under a similar lens.

[Slim Charless]

Having Ayton as higher value than Siakam is quite a take lol

To each their own I guess!.....lol.

Ayton clearly has a much higher ceiling than Siakim. More size, better efficiency, better athleticism, better efficiency and really better production the majority of the time, and he beats Siakim handily ( even as a 4th option) in PLAYOFFS advanced stats when it matters most! He also has a better defensive rating is younger and is cheaper contractually too. But I understand, we all like who we like it seems. So under these considerations, I see you having Siakim with more value than Ayton being under a similar lens.

You're not wrong GoK, but you have look at this from the lense of our team. What about what you've seem the last 3 years makes you think that Monty would feature Ayton or that Booker/CP3 would take the time to get him the ball?

He's an afterthought on this team. Hell Mikal regularly shoots more than him Jae did as well last year

They just don't respect his game.

They will however respect Siakam's game. So unless we fire Monty and hire someone who will force the change in philosophy then something needs to change to maximize the effectiveness of the whole thing.