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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#61 » by Slim Charless » Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:24 pm

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Frank Lee wrote:Intrigued ???? you are obsessed and borderline deranged especially with Hartenstien. He was Prestis prize get and in no way he deals him for a dude who dropped a colossal steamer on their franchise. Go over to their site and propose your Wonka-ish anything is possible IH deals. It just isn’t happening.

Dude pace yourself… we have a ways to go before any deal is made. Perhaps give KD a rest and focus on moving ONeal and Allen. Just get them off the team.*
Neither have been any help this year. But they were the only players azzhat could sign over the min (along with Okogie) Jones has been a big zero too. Cut him lose.

There is as much an argument that the supporting cast is the real downfall here. Coach included. People can’t believe a team with Book and KD could be so bad??? Just take a look at players 3-15. None of them would start anywhere else.

Bud also exasperates this problem and needs to kick into ‘next yr’ mode. Let’s shut this muther down and see what we have in Bol, Dunn, Oso, and Gillespie. We have nothing else to look forward to.

It just sucks to be us and if not for Dallas, we’d be the shining star of ineptitude. In one ‘hey watch this’ move, Nico stole the spotlight from Azzhat Mat. At least Philly can blame it on health.

* I’ve given up on moving BadBrad. What a waste as that deal tops the list for Wishbia’s impetuous idiocy

We need to trade Beal in the summer and I think and hope) that we can do it.

It's about working next to him and his agent about teams/cities where he will be comfortable and then getting a "bad" contract and if needed giving up a positive asset (FRP) to sweeten the deal.

For example...we can take Paul George from the Sixers if Beal is open to play for the Sixers. Or Rudy Gobert from the Wolves if they fail hard in the playoffs. Jerami Grant is another option on the rising Blazers. Middleton from the Wizards.

All those players probably aren't exciting but they could start for us and all of them don't have NTC...and that's HUGE.


I understand that you're trying to keep the duo of KD and Booker together because they've clearly been great together and Beal is where we really started messing up badly! But people need to get past the illusions that we'll somehow be able to trade Beal this summer. Beal has a "no trade clause that's iron clad and he has all the power in trades to approve or determine his outcome. Beal came here because he wanted to be here not only for the chance to contend, but also to be in an environment with warm sunny weather and close to California (where he's had houses and spends the summer with his family. He's already gone on record saying that he loves it here and wants to stay as does his family. So it's very very unlikely he'll approve any trades elsewhere. And especially not back to the last coast with their harsh winters and a depressing horrible rebuilding outcome with Philadelphia.

Now he might consider a Cali team due to spending his summers there and the nice warm weather, but even then, there'd still have to be mutual interest and I'm just not sure there's a team that has interest in Beeal for the money he's paid given his injury history, inconsistencies. No team is excited or intrigued by that contract or the idea of adding it. Also, Beal came here due to the connections with Bartelstein. So I don't see his agent helping convince him to leave either.

And I don't see any possibility of the Suns being interested in George for the money he's owed and how he's performed for Philly along with his injury concerns. They'd be trading an already horrible outcome scenario with Beal for an older, worse producing, appears to be completely washed player on a huge salary longer term deal than Beal has (if even only a year longer. Creative thinking to try and get off of Beals' contract, but I'd think the Suns would be prioritizing getting under the 2nd apron as a byproduct of any trade, and not being stuck in it longer until Booker's contract is up. Also again, I just don't see Bal approving any trades unless it's to one of the California teams or Miami. But not any6 others at all. :wink:


PG13 has an even longer contract than Beal...and is more injured. Philly needs to give us picks for him. Even for Beal
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#62 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:47 pm

RaisingArizona wrote:Just embrace it. 2021 was feeling weird being up 2-0 in the Finals. This all feels much more normal to me.


I went from full on excitement to sheer disappointment in a matter of a few years. We had a contender looming for next 5-6 years and all that excellent drafting/trading gone in a blink of an eye. Now we must wait until somewhere of 2036 to become a contender again? My heart can’t take another decade of misery like in 2012-19.
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Post#64 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:05 pm

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Saberestar wrote:We need to trade Beal in the summer and I think and hope) that we can do it.

It's about working next to him and his agent about teams/cities where he will be comfortable and then getting a "bad" contract and if needed giving up a positive asset (FRP) to sweeten the deal.

For example...we can take Paul George from the Sixers if Beal is open to play for the Sixers. Or Rudy Gobert from the Wolves if they fail hard in the playoffs. Jerami Grant is another option on the rising Blazers. Middleton from the Wizards.

All those players probably aren't exciting but they could start for us and all of them don't have NTC...and that's HUGE.


I understand that you're trying to keep the duo of KD and Booker together because they've clearly been great together and Beal is where we really started messing up badly! But people need to get past the illusions that we'll somehow be able to trade Beal this summer. Beal has a "no trade clause that's iron clad and he has all the power in trades to approve or determine his outcome. Beal came here because he wanted to be here not only for the chance to contend, but also to be in an environment with warm sunny weather and close to California (where he's had houses and spends the summer with his family. He's already gone on record saying that he loves it here and wants to stay as does his family. So it's very very unlikely he'll approve any trades elsewhere. And especially not back to the last coast with their harsh winters and a depressing horrible rebuilding outcome with Philadelphia.

Now he might consider a Cali team due to spending his summers there and the nice warm weather, but even then, there'd still have to be mutual interest and I'm just not sure there's a team that has interest in Beeal for the money he's paid given his injury history, inconsistencies. No team is excited or intrigued by that contract or the idea of adding it. Also, Beal came here due to the connections with Bartelstein. So I don't see his agent helping convince him to leave either.

And I don't see any possibility of the Suns being interested in George for the money he's owed and how he's performed for Philly along with his injury concerns. They'd be trading an already horrible outcome scenario with Beal for an older, worse producing, appears to be completely washed player on a huge salary longer term deal than Beal has (if even only a year longer. Creative thinking to try and get off of Beals' contract, but I'd think the Suns would be prioritizing getting under the 2nd apron as a byproduct of any trade, and not being stuck in it longer until Booker's contract is up. Also again, I just don't see Bal approving any trades unless it's to one of the California teams or Miami. But not any others at all. :wink:


PG13 has an even longer contract than Beal...and is more injured. Philly needs to give us picks for him. Even for Beal


At least 1 really good one, if not two mid first value picks. I'd be looking at a fair value exchange of George/ Philly 26' 1st or LAC 28' 1st (no protections). Otherwise 26' 1st via OKC, HOU, or LAC/ PHI 28' 1st/ PHI 28' 2nd. :dontknow:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#65 » by Puff » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:33 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Saberestar wrote:We need to trade Beal in the summer and I think and hope) that we can do it.

It's about working next to him and his agent about teams/cities where he will be comfortable and then getting a "bad" contract and if needed giving up a positive asset (FRP) to sweeten the deal.

For example...we can take Paul George from the Sixers if Beal is open to play for the Sixers. Or Rudy Gobert from the Wolves if they fail hard in the playoffs. Jerami Grant is another option on the rising Blazers. Middleton from the Wizards.

All those players probably aren't exciting but they could start for us and all of them don't have NTC...and that's HUGE.


I understand that you're trying to keep the duo of KD and Booker together because they've clearly been great together and Beal is where we really started messing up badly! But people need to get past the illusions that we'll somehow be able to trade Beal this summer. Beal has a "no trade clause that's iron clad and he has all the power in trades to approve or determine his outcome. Beal came here because he wanted to be here not only for the chance to contend, but also to be in an environment with warm sunny weather and close to California (where he's had houses and spends the summer with his family. He's already gone on record saying that he loves it here and wants to stay as does his family. So it's very very unlikely he'll approve any trades elsewhere. And especially not back to the last coast with their harsh winters and a depressing horrible rebuilding outcome with Philadelphia.

Now he might consider a Cali team due to spending his summers there and the nice warm weather, but even then, there'd still have to be mutual interest and I'm just not sure there's a team that has interest in Beeal for the money he's paid given his injury history, inconsistencies. No team is excited or intrigued by that contract or the idea of adding it. Also, Beal came here due to the connections with Bartelstein. So I don't see his agent helping convince him to leave either.

And I don't see any possibility of the Suns being interested in George for the money he's owed and how he's performed for Philly along with his injury concerns. They'd be trading an already horrible outcome scenario with Beal for an older, worse producing, appears to be completely washed player on a huge salary longer term deal than Beal has (if even only a year longer. Creative thinking to try and get off of Beals' contract, but I'd think the Suns would be prioritizing getting under the 2nd apron as a byproduct of any trade, and not being stuck in it longer until Booker's contract is up. Also again, I just don't see Bal approving any trades unless it's to one of the California teams or Miami. But not any6 others at all. :wink:


PG13 has an even longer contract than Beal...and is more injured. Philly needs to give us picks for him. Even for Beal


I am with you and do not want any part of PG on this team.

I was adamantly against the trade we made for Beal at the time we made it. That is the trade that really screwed us. We not only acquired a horrible player on a bad contract with a no trade clause he never plays, while giving up more draft capital to watch this clown sit on the bench. I want to vomit every time I see him sitting on the bench in his focking hoodie.

One more year of CP3 at $30 mil would have been a bargain compared to what we gave up for Beal, this is while giving up draft picks as well. I expect we would have won as many games this year with Shamet instead of Beal. Who in the world in the front office made the decision to get Beal, probably Bartelstein. He convinced our azclown owner that he would be great with KD and Book. While Book and KD are traded and Bud is fired Bartelstein's azz need to be fired as well. Actually, I would fire him today.

In addition, who made the decision to get rid of Nurkic. We were off to a great start with him at center. He lost weight in the summer and was working on his 3-point shot. Things were looking promising. Then KD got hurt and Bud stopped talking to Nurk. I did not love Nurk, but he was far better than the duo we are trying to win with now. How did getting rid of Nurk help our defense or our clubhouse moral? Show me the numbers and I will shut up. This team still has no energy and never gives you the idea that they like each other and are on the same page. After we miss the play in and the season is over, the interviews with KD and Book will be interesting.

What good decisions has this front office made? Allen has regressed and has seen reduced playing time with Bud as coach, while receiving a huge payday. The firing of Vogel and the hiring of Bud has been a total fck story. Frank won 49 games without a PG. We continue to lose more games while not playing Dunn or Oso, WTF. We were better when they were getting regular playing time. How much more of this crap can the Suns fan base take.
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Post#66 » by Puff » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:43 pm

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That was with Monty as his coach and CP3 as his sidekick. We have regressed badly after those decisions were made.

Sometimes I wonder if Book liked the firing of Monty and the trade of CP3 for Beal. It appeared that all three of those guys were on the same page. Was Book ever consulted on these two moves or did Isiah Thomas make those decisions or was it Bartelstein?

Quite frankly if I were Book I would request a trade out of this shythole this summer.
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Post#67 » by Saberestar » Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:40 pm

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Post#69 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:52 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Intrigued ???? you are obsessed and borderline deranged especially with Hartenstien. He was Prestis prize get and in no way he deals him for a dude who dropped a colossal steamer on their franchise. Go over to their site and propose your Wonka-ish anything is possible IH deals. It just isn’t happening.

Dude pace yourself… we have a ways to go before any deal is made. Perhaps give KD a rest and focus on moving ONeal and Allen. Just get them off the team.*
Neither have been any help this year. But they were the only players azzhat could sign over the min (along with Okogie) Jones has been a big zero too. Cut him lose.

There is as much an argument that the supporting cast is the real downfall here. Coach included. People can’t believe a team with Book and KD could be so bad??? Just take a look at players 3-15. None of them would start anywhere else.

Bud also exasperates this problem and needs to kick into ‘next yr’ mode. Let’s shut this muther down and see what we have in Bol, Dunn, Oso, and Gillespie. We have nothing else to look forward to.

It just sucks to be us and if not for Dallas, we’d be the shining star of ineptitude. In one ‘hey watch this’ move, Nico stole the spotlight from Azzhat Mat. At least Philly can blame it on health.

* I’ve given up on moving BadBrad. What a waste as that deal tops the list for Wishbia’s impetuous idiocy


The thing about Dallas is they likely have a lottery pick and if healthy next year, I think they could be very tough. Gafford, Lively, AD, PJ, Klay (not as good as he was but can still shoot), Max Christie (very solid), Naji Marshall (very underrated) and Kyrie. Even guys like Exum look pretty good. Even Dinwiddie had like 28/7/6 in his last game shooting like shooting over 56% overall and 50% from 3. Naji had 23 and Kessler Edwards had 22/11/3 on 75% shooting. They will have a very tough starting lineup with a lot of solid depth if they stay healthy and I think may be able to be one of the top west teams next year.
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Post#70 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:01 pm

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dremill24 wrote:GoK and lilfishi showing more commitment to this topic than half the married couples in this country show to each other :lol:

My wife laughs at me sometimes and doesn't understand why I post on an internet forum from the 2000's. Sometimes, I also question why

My wife asked my why i did not chose a better basketball franchsie to be a fan of.
She is not a basketball fan and obviously has no understanding how fandom in sports work.
In the early 90s here in Germany when I was a teenager everyone was loving the bulls or lakers for obvious reasons.
While everyone was cheering for MJ i chose to do the contray. I chose the opponent in the finals. Damm you Sir Charles!!


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Post#71 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:08 pm

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Frank Lee wrote:Intrigued ???? you are obsessed and borderline deranged especially with Hartenstien. He was Prestis prize get and in no way he deals him for a dude who dropped a colossal steamer on their franchise. Go over to their site and propose your Wonka-ish anything is possible IH deals. It just isn’t happening.

Dude pace yourself… we have a ways to go before any deal is made. Perhaps give KD a rest and focus on moving ONeal and Allen. Just get them off the team.*
Neither have been any help this year. But they were the only players azzhat could sign over the min (along with Okogie) Jones has been a big zero too. Cut him lose.

There is as much an argument that the supporting cast is the real downfall here. Coach included. People can’t believe a team with Book and KD could be so bad??? Just take a look at players 3-15. None of them would start anywhere else.

Bud also exasperates this problem and needs to kick into ‘next yr’ mode. Let’s shut this muther down and see what we have in Bol, Dunn, Oso, and Gillespie. We have nothing else to look forward to.

It just sucks to be us and if not for Dallas, we’d be the shining star of ineptitude. In one ‘hey watch this’ move, Nico stole the spotlight from Azzhat Mat. At least Philly can blame it on health.

* I’ve given up on moving BadBrad. What a waste as that deal tops the list for Wishbia’s impetuous idiocy


The thing about Dallas is they likely have a lottery pick and if healthy next year, I think they could be very tough. Gafford, Lively, AD, PJ, Klay (not as good as he was but can still shoot), Max Christie (very solid), Naji Marshall (very underrated) and Kyrie. Even guys like Exum look pretty good. Even Dinwiddie had like 28/7/6 in his last game shooting like shooting over 56% overall and 50% from 3. Naji had 23 and Kessler Edwards had 22/11/3 on 75% shooting. They will have a very tough starting lineup with a lot of solid depth if they stay healthy and I think may be able to be one of the top west teams next year.

They just need a KD to shore up their offense while they wait for Kyrie to come back
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Post#73 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:37 pm

Just placed 100 to win 290 on Celtics & Heat ml. Wish me luck folks. :cry:
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Post#74 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:39 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:My wife laughs at me sometimes and doesn't understand why I post on an internet forum from the 2000's. Sometimes, I also question why

My wife asked my why i did not chose a better basketball franchsie to be a fan of.
She is not a basketball fan and obviously has no understanding how fandom in sports work.
In the early 90s here in Germany when I was a teenager everyone was loving the bulls or lakers for obvious reasons.
While everyone was cheering for MJ i chose to do the contray. I chose the opponent in the finals. Damm you Sir Charles!!


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I am flabbergasted on why Lilfishi didn’t choose to root for the Heat. I mean he already has a Heat sig. :dontknow:
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Post#75 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:57 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:
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schnakenpopanz wrote:My wife asked my why i did not chose a better basketball franchsie to be a fan of.
She is not a basketball fan and obviously has no understanding how fandom in sports work.
In the early 90s here in Germany when I was a teenager everyone was loving the bulls or lakers for obvious reasons.
While everyone was cheering for MJ i chose to do the contray. I chose the opponent in the finals. Damm you Sir Charles!!


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I am flabbergasted on why Lilfishi didn’t choose to root for the Heat. I mean he already has a Heat sig. :dontknow:

I also wonder that myself sometimes. Fandom would be so much easier if I was a Celtics or Laker fan
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Post#76 » by Frank Lee » Thu Mar 13, 2025 12:22 am

You are right bwg, Dallas certainly has more contracted talent than we do. Pardon me for putting them atop us on the dismality list. Let’s bust out the big foam finger as we are Number 1 !
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Post#77 » by Calvin Klein » Thu Mar 13, 2025 1:40 am

Has the “I’m all about winning” idiot shown his face lately?
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Man I wish Dumas could have stayed clean. He had the ability to be electric out there. I was always rooting so hard for him to blossom.


Yeah! He was low key one of my favorite players back then! His athleticism was insane. I actually have a signed hat from him somewhere in my storage too. This franchise is so wild through various era's. :D
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