Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[thamadkant]

McD still clamoring that Pelicans and Cavs get desperate pre trade deadline?

Cousins?
Davis?
Love?


Which Superstar will be available?

Would Pelicans trade Davis for
- Suns 1st Round Pick 2018
- Heat 1st Round Pick 2019
- Bucks 1st Round Pick 2018/2019
- TJ Warren
- Chriss OR Bender

That's a huge offer...


Suns then hope Knight comes back healthy and make him combo guard next to Booker... and hopefully accepts a 3rd/4th option role
Then make a 2nd round pick offer for Hezonja


C: Len/Chandler
F: Davis/Bender OR Chriss
F: Jackson/Hezonja
G: Booker/Daniels
G: Knight/Ulis/James

[sunsbum]

Wether you like jah or not he comes at a ridiculously cheap price and he will take a bunch of defensive focus off of Booker.

[jcsunsfan]

I would immediately move Chandler and include a future pick to do so. Start Len with Monroe coming off the bench with the 2nd unit, maybe it would wake Ulis up and he could find that Big Sauce magic with Monroe because he has been a dumpster fire without him in the lineup.

Why give away picks? I just don't understand this thinking. We are below the salary floor already.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

https://hoopshabit.com/2017/11/08/phoenix-suns-5-potential-greg-monroe-trades/

Wow, I say no to all of these. Is the value of a future fist really $30 million? Get real!!

I would perhaps be willing to take on ONE additional year of salary for a future first, not two. Like Monroe for a future first and:

Enes Kanter, Wes Matthews, Demarre Carroll, Kenneth Faried, Jeremy Lin, Omer Asik, Iman Shumpert, Al Jefferson, Jerryd Bayless, Kosta Koufos, or Boban Marjonovic

[jcsunsfan]

Trading anything for Okafor (even a 2nd round pick) would be so **** stupid. There's no upside in this move. He will be an unrestricted free agent next summer and everyone else could pay him more than the Suns ($6M).

I would not mind a second rounder. We have those to burn. We cannot possibly use them.

[Walt_Uoob]

More Monroe trade ideas from Fansided: https://hoopshabit.com/2017/11/08/phoenix-suns-5-potential-greg-monroe-trades/

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Whoever mentioned Asik, Ajinca and a 1st for Monroe was on to something. That looks like the deal to make.

Pels currently sitting on a 3 game win streak. Given their lack of depth up front, you'd think Monroe would be of real use to that team -- which would reduce the value of the draft pick. No doubt, though, that the Pels would not be able to re-sign Monroe under most foreseeable circumstances. You'd think they'd be more interested in a good player on a long-term deal.

So the question becomes, is there a team that would prefer to have Monroe and his contract rather than Player X, where the Pels would trade Asik, Ajinca and a future 1st for Player X?

Bonus questions:
(a) would the deal be good enough for the Suns to get an additional 2d in return?
(b) would Player X be good enough for the Suns to cut NOP out and simply take Player X in return?

[jcsunsfan]

Whoever mentioned Asik, Ajinca and a 1st for Monroe was on to something. That looks like the deal to make.

Pels currently sitting on a 3 game win streak. Given their lack of depth up front, you'd think Monroe would be of real use to that team -- which would reduce the value of the draft pick. No doubt, though, that the Pels would not be able to re-sign Monroe under most foreseeable circumstances. You'd think they'd be more interested in a good player on a long-term deal.

So the question becomes, is there a team that would prefer to have Monroe and his contract rather than Player X, where the Pels would trade Asik, Ajinca and a future 1st for Player X?

Bonus questions:
(a) would the deal be good enough for the Suns to get an additional 2d in return?
(b) would Player X be good enough for the Suns to cut NOP out and simply take Player X in return?

That is $36 million in extra salary commitment for a first round pick. I'm not Sarver, but there is no way in the world I would pay that. It also messes up their 2019 free agency time line. I can't see this.

[JS22]

Read on Twitter

I've been hearing that for 5 years.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Whoever mentioned Asik, Ajinca and a 1st for Monroe was on to something. That looks like the deal to make.

Pels currently sitting on a 3 game win streak. Given their lack of depth up front, you'd think Monroe would be of real use to that team -- which would reduce the value of the draft pick. No doubt, though, that the Pels would not be able to re-sign Monroe under most foreseeable circumstances. You'd think they'd be more interested in a good player on a long-term deal.

So the question becomes, is there a team that would prefer to have Monroe and his contract rather than Player X, where the Pels would trade Asik, Ajinca and a future 1st for Player X?

Bonus questions:
(a) would the deal be good enough for the Suns to get an additional 2d in return?
(b) would Player X be good enough for the Suns to cut NOP out and simply take Player X in return?

That is $36 million in extra salary commitment for a first round pick. I'm not Sarver, but there is no way in the world I would pay that. It also messes up their 2019 free agency time line. I can't see this.

I don't think you're correct on any of this, actually. Asik has a team option beyond next season, which we would surely not exercise. So he, and Ajinca, would both be off the books by the summer of 2019, perfectly aligning with our timeline. It would cost us approximately $17 million to keep them on the books next season, while saving us approximately $4 million this season (est., as Monroe's contract is $5M more than their combined salary this season). So whatever we got back would cost us approximately $13 million. And even then, if we would not have reached the salary cap floor in 2018-19 after simply letting Monroe go, then to whatever extent that additional salary is below the floor, it is not an additional cost, except as it pertains to our ability to do other deals to absorb salary in exchange for assets!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Edit: I accuse each of your +1'rs of this same error. I expect you to return those +1s to my column. Thank you.

[Qwigglez]

I think maybe he means to just trade picks and maybe one young guy such as Chriss that way we don't have to give up our entire farm.

[lilfishi22]

What was our alternative? Play Bledsoe last year and end up with a worse pick. Give him the Mac extension that he wanted. Maybe they could have traded him last summer, but when they failed to get Kyrie, they felt the wanted him.


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It's about planning ahead. If you sit Bledsoe when he's healthy and he's come to you privately asking for a trade in the offseason, you do what you can to move him before it gets leaked out to the media that he wants out. McD already had first hand experience dealing with Kieff and Dragic. He got good return for both players but he got lucky both times and luck is not something you rely on.

He did not ask for a trade in the off season. He asked for a trade in October, which is a horrible month to try to make trades. It’s fine to make a point, but don’t make it on false facts.


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All we know is he made his trade request public when he tweeted. He made his request public at a terrible time to make a trade but we don't know when he made his trade request in private. And when I say offseason, I mean some time between the end of our season and the start of the next season. Sorry if my definition is not the same as yours.

[Saberestar]

Whoever mentioned Asik, Ajinca and a 1st for Monroe was on to something. That looks like the deal to make.

Pels currently sitting on a 3 game win streak. Given their lack of depth up front, you'd think Monroe would be of real use to that team -- which would reduce the value of the draft pick. No doubt, though, that the Pels would not be able to re-sign Monroe under most foreseeable circumstances. You'd think they'd be more interested in a good player on a long-term deal.

So the question becomes, is there a team that would prefer to have Monroe and his contract rather than Player X, where the Pels would trade Asik, Ajinca and a future 1st for Player X?

Bonus questions:
(a) would the deal be good enough for the Suns to get an additional 2d in return?
(b) would Player X be good enough for the Suns to cut NOP out and simply take Player X in return?

That is $36 million in extra salary commitment for a first round pick. I'm not Sarver, but there is no way in the world I would pay that. It also messes up their 2019 free agency time line. I can't see this.

I don't think you're correct on any of this, actually. Asik has a team option beyond next season, which we would surely not exercise. So he, and Ajinca, would both be off the books by the summer of 2019, perfectly aligning with our timeline. It would cost us approximately $17 million to keep them on the books next season, while saving us approximately $4 million this season (est., as Monroe's contract is $5M more than their combined salary this season). So whatever we got back would cost us approximately $13 million. And even then, if we would not have reached the salary cap floor in 2018-19 after simply letting Monroe go, then to whatever extent that additional salary is below the floor, it is not an additional cost, except as it pertains to our ability to do other deals to absorb salary in exchange for assets!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Edit: I accuse each of your +1'rs of this same error. I expect you to return those +1s to my column. Thank you.

Even if it is not a lof of money, $13M is enough to make impossible to sign a good FA next summer. We have difficulties to sign a good FA but if we have the money at least we would have a chance.

And I don't want more picks. It's ridiculous at this point to get more low first round picks, we have too many already and we are gonna be forced to draft european players to stash or trade them for future picks because we don't have enough roster spots.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If we're targetting 2019 free agency then we could be taking back 2 year bad contracts.

Kanter, Matthews, Carroll, Lopez, Faried, Lin, Shumpert, Teletovic.

Would any teams attach an asset to dump?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

If we're targetting 2019 free agency then we could be taking back 2 year bad contracts.

Kanter, Matthews, Carroll, Lopez, Faried, Lin, Shumpert, Teletovic.

Would any teams attach an asset to dump?

You could have just copied and pasted me, you know!

[Mulhollanddrive]

Sorry cosmofizzo didn't see your post, but happy we think alike!

[Damkac]

Nets got very promising young player for taking Mozgow. Noah, Deng, Turner all have bigger contracts than Mozgow. Unless something really good is coming for Suns they shouldn't even think about touching those contracts.

[jcsunsfan]

Whoever mentioned Asik, Ajinca and a 1st for Monroe was on to something. That looks like the deal to make.

Pels currently sitting on a 3 game win streak. Given their lack of depth up front, you'd think Monroe would be of real use to that team -- which would reduce the value of the draft pick. No doubt, though, that the Pels would not be able to re-sign Monroe under most foreseeable circumstances. You'd think they'd be more interested in a good player on a long-term deal.

So the question becomes, is there a team that would prefer to have Monroe and his contract rather than Player X, where the Pels would trade Asik, Ajinca and a future 1st for Player X?

Bonus questions:
(a) would the deal be good enough for the Suns to get an additional 2d in return?
(b) would Player X be good enough for the Suns to cut NOP out and simply take Player X in return?

That is $36 million in extra salary commitment for a first round pick. I'm not Sarver, but there is no way in the world I would pay that. It also messes up their 2019 free agency time line. I can't see this.

I don't think you're correct on any of this, actually. Asik has a team option beyond next season, which we would surely not exercise. So he, and Ajinca, would both be off the books by the summer of 2019, perfectly aligning with our timeline. It would cost us approximately $17 million to keep them on the books next season, while saving us approximately $4 million this season (est., as Monroe's contract is $5M more than their combined salary this season). So whatever we got back would cost us approximately $13 million. And even then, if we would not have reached the salary cap floor in 2018-19 after simply letting Monroe go, then to whatever extent that additional salary is below the floor, it is not an additional cost, except as it pertains to our ability to do other deals to absorb salary in exchange for assets!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Edit: I accuse each of your +1'rs of this same error. I expect you to return those +1s to my column. Thank you.

Always willing to be corrected with facts. I misread the salary line on ESPN. Ajinca will be off the books based upon the timeline. Hoopshype says that the option that Asik has is a PLAYER option. So that would need to be cleared up (as far as which representation is correct). He no doubt would exercise that if it is indeed a player option.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans_pelicans/

If all you say is true. It still would be paying $18 million for a first round pick.

[jcsunsfan]

It's about planning ahead. If you sit Bledsoe when he's healthy and he's come to you privately asking for a trade in the offseason, you do what you can to move him before it gets leaked out to the media that he wants out. McD already had first hand experience dealing with Kieff and Dragic. He got good return for both players but he got lucky both times and luck is not something you rely on.

He did not ask for a trade in the off season. He asked for a trade in October, which is a horrible month to try to make trades. It’s fine to make a point, but don’t make it on false facts.


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All we know is he made his trade request public when he tweeted. He made his request public at a terrible time to make a trade but we don't know when he made his trade request in private. And when I say offseason, I mean some time between the end of our season and the start of the next season. Sorry if my definition is not the same as yours.

It was actually reported that he came asking for a max extension in early October and when McD said they would not do that now, but would consider it next summer, he then asked to be traded. That was in early October.

[LukasBMW]

I want to play a game:

Monroe for a bad contract you need to clear so you can have cap space this summer.

Best asset (young player or pick or both) wins.

If LAL wants a shot at PG13 and Lebron, then maybe they try to unload Deng on us.