2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

[mkot]

The Kings, as currently constructed need a legit PG to be contender in the West. But if they are going to the rebuild rout I would assume they want young talents and 1st rounders in return for their players. They probably have to keep LaVine as their tank commander but all their players have high trade value minus maybe DeRozan and Monk.

I just don't think we have what they want regardless of what direction they are heading into.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

The defensive aspect would be a critically important consideration for us obviously!

[BobbieL]

Read on Twitter

The defensive aspect would be a critically important consideration for us obviously!

If the Suns don't make the top 10 - its going to be a gut job, rebuild the coach will be taking over.

[bwgood77]

Read on Twitter

Would be a good Bud replacement if/when Bud is fired imo.

I really hope we swap out Bud for Jenkins!!! We'd be grotesquely stupid to not very aggressively try to sign him this summer as Buds' replacement. He's the ekite defensive tactician, younger, innovative coach we've needed for the longest time now.

And he'd be a very strong step in the right direction.

He learned from Bud and lost the locker room. Also a bad record against good teams.

The team believed that Jenkins had lost the locker room over the course of the season and that making a change now might mitigate how the Grizzlies finish the season.

Memphis has lost four of its past five games, with Morant sidelined due to a strained hamstring, and has gone 8-11 since the All-Star break, the 21st-best record in the NBA in that span.

The Grizzlies host the Los Angeles Lakers on Saturday, with the teams entering with matching 44-29 records. That starts a stretch in which eight of Memphis' final nine opponents are either playoff teams or contending for a play-in spot. It's still possible, at least mathematically, that Memphis could get back to No. 2 in the West, and it's highly unlikely that the Grizzlies will fall into the play-in tournament range.

The new system showed promising signs earlier in the season and has constantly evolved as the Grizzlies worked to fully carve out an offensive identity ahead of the playoffs. Defensively, however, Memphis has struggled since the All-Star break, ranking 20th in defensive efficiency after holding the No. 7 spot over the first half of the season, according to ESPN Research.

Jenkins previously worked as an assistant coach with the Atlanta Hawks (2013-18) and Milwaukee Bucks (2018-19).

[mkot]

If we are trading Book and KD, I wouldn't mind Jenkins if Bud resigned.

If we are doubling down to retool around Booker, just keep Bud. We can't keep firing coach every year

[Rebound Mound]

Jenkins could be a very good coach for us once Redick, Bickerstaff, Jordi Fernéndez and others are gone (coaches who prioritize work ethic, carachter and team effort).
It is really strange to me that the Grizzlies decided to fire Jenkis together with two assistants, while naming Tuomas Isalo as interim head coach. This Finnish guy was signed last summer after being named best coach of the national league in Germany and then of the second best league in Europe after Euroleague last year with Paris basketball.

He is known because he implemented the Grizzlies offense in which no direct screens are offered to the player with the ball and, instead, indirect screens, cuts, moving without the ball and occupying spaces are the key to an offense that also incudes defending passing lanes with an attitude and running the fast break while giving a maximum effort while the players are on the court, even if that means playing for short periods of time and using 12 players every game.

The Grizzlies have not won a game against a team above .50 since the beginning of February and I thought the reason was that the rivals had already found the way to minimize the Grizzlies novelties on offense and adjusting their defences to their offensive characteristics.

But it seems like their FO thinks diferently.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

Now, who would've ever seen this coming??...LOL.

And for the right price, they can have him! All it'll take is...................................

Vassell/ Barnes (19 million expiring)/ Sochan/ SAS 25' 1st (8th pick)/ ATL 25' 1st (16th pick).

[dremill24]

Read on Twitter

Would love to somehow get Sabonis in a trade if possible.

Didnt realize you were such a fan of being in the Play-In race

[BobbieL]

If we are trading Book and KD, I wouldn't mind Jenkins if Bud resigned.

If we are doubling down to retool around Booker, just keep Bud. We can't keep firing coach every year

Agreed. If you are blowing it up - find a new GM and maybe this guy as coach

If you are keeping Booker - still need to fire the GM but Bud is fine

[One_and_Done]

Read on Twitter

Now, who would've ever seen this coming??...LOL.

And for the right price, they can have him! All it'll take is...................................

Vassell/ Barnes (19 million expiring)/ Sochan/ SAS 25' 1st (8th pick)/ ATL 25' 1st (16th pick).

Spurs are never going to pay anything like that much.

[BobbieL]

After tonight’s loss to Twolves
A game behind Dallas

That’s not good
Ishbia might have to rethink offseason plans

[Sunsdeuce]

Good lawd just put this pathetic team out of its misery. The fans have suffered enough. This ain’t Bud or Beals fault how bad this is. This falls squarely on the “leaders” which are Booker, KD, Ishbia and Jones!

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

Would be a good Bud replacement if/when Bud is fired imo.

I really hope we swap out Bud for Jenkins!!! We'd be grotesquely stupid to not very aggressively try to sign him this summer as Buds' replacement. He's the ekite defensive tactician, younger, innovative coach we've needed for the longest time now.

And he'd be a very strong step in the right direction.

He learned from Bud and lost the locker room. Also a bad record against good teams.

The team believed that Jenkins had lost the locker room over the course of the season and that making a change now might mitigate how the Grizzlies finish the season.

Memphis has lost four of its past five games, with Morant sidelined due to a strained hamstring, and has gone 8-11 since the All-Star break, the 21st-best record in the NBA in that span.

The Grizzlies host the Los Angeles Lakers on Saturday, with the teams entering with matching 44-29 records. That starts a stretch in which eight of Memphis' final nine opponents are either playoff teams or contending for a play-in spot. It's still possible, at least mathematically, that Memphis could get back to No. 2 in the West, and it's highly unlikely that the Grizzlies will fall into the play-in tournament range.

The new system showed promising signs earlier in the season and has constantly evolved as the Grizzlies worked to fully carve out an offensive identity ahead of the playoffs. Defensively, however, Memphis has struggled since the All-Star break, ranking 20th in defensive efficiency after holding the No. 7 spot over the first half of the season, according to ESPN Research.

Jenkins previously worked as an assistant coach with the Atlanta Hawks (2013-18) and Milwaukee Bucks (2018-19).

To concisely address all of your statements man:

He learned from Bud and lost the locker room. Also a bad record against good teams.

- He may have learned from Bud, but he's a defensive tactician, and obviously, defense is a huge paramount issue for us, so he'd obviously address that very well.

He lost the locker room?

- Well, look at their team and their behavioral and attitude issues for a root cause. Also, are you aware that he submitted to a litany of coaching/ bench changes that was orchestrated over the past year by their front office? And those very changes likely played a prominent factor in much of their struggles in addition to numerous injuries too. But when those changes made weren't of his choosing or endorsement, and the new approach/ dynamics handed down from the brass very likely made him a lame duck to this outcome.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Also a bad record against good teams.

- He led them to a 44 -29 record despite all of the injuries and Ja missing significant time. and an overall record of 250-214 over 6 seasons, and 3 playoff appearances. and had a 54% winning percentage. And a top 5 seed in a loaded western conference. And is the winningest coach in their franchisee history too.

The simple answer for this is a change in approach and direction in moving from a defensive oriented mentality to an offensive centric approach because Lisalo is considered an innovative offensive savant. Sometimes ownership just wants to try something different?



-

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

Now, who would've ever seen this coming??...LOL.

And for the right price, they can have him! All it'll take is...................................

Vassell/ Barnes (19 million expiring)/ Sochan/ SAS 25' 1st (8th pick)/ ATL 25' 1st (16th pick).

Spurs are never going to pay anything like that much.

this perspective is based upon what exactly?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

Would love to somehow get Sabonis in a trade if possible.

Didnt realize you were such a fan of being in the Play-In race

Obviously that wouldn't be our only move...lol. Final assessment to be made once all cumulative moves are completed.

[BobbieL]

Good lawd just put this pathetic team out of its misery. The fans have suffered enough. This ain’t Bud or Beals fault how bad this is. This falls squarely on the “leaders” which are Booker, KD, Ishbia and Jones!

Agreed

Three of them need to go

[One_and_Done]

Read on Twitter

Now, who would've ever seen this coming??...LOL.

And for the right price, they can have him! All it'll take is...................................

Vassell/ Barnes (19 million expiring)/ Sochan/ SAS 25' 1st (8th pick)/ ATL 25' 1st (16th pick).

Spurs are never going to pay anything like that much.

this perspective is based upon what exactly?

KD will be 37, and is somewhat injury prone. I love the guy, but come on. A young team isn't paying all that for a guy with that age and injury profile to join a non-contender.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Spurs are never going to pay anything like that much.

this perspective is based upon what exactly?

KD will be 37, and is somewhat injury prone. I love the guy, but come on. A young team isn't paying all that for a guy with that age and injury profile to join a non-contender.

Your perspective being respectfully noted man. Yes he's 37 yrs old, but he's just ( this season) been playing the most games and minutes that he's played in years and has been relatively healthy the vast majority of the season.

Also, he's still putting up near triple double production on most nights and on elite efficiency. Recent examples:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Also San Antonio has a significant vested interest in adding KD because not only does Wemby and KD adore each other, but coach Pop who coached KD to two gold medals in the Tokyo Olympics is planning on coming back to coach the team with Wemby and possibly KD.

San Antonio is definitely going to want to keep their franchise superstar happy, and their HOF legendary coach as well. Now they've already been shopping Vassell. And Barnes isn't much more to them than an expiring contract anyways either.


And Sochan while a good defender is a backup player out of necessity due to lack of depth options currently and a player who can't shoot and space the floor. Which is important for spacing for both Fox and Castle. And also important for spacing for Wemby too!

Most importantly San Antonio is desperate to get Wemby and their young core into the playoffs to advance their competitive development.

KD would be huge for them! And the two 1sts are very solid, but two firsts minimum are what KDs' market value is currently set at around the league.

And unless they jump into the top 4 of the lottery, the picks won't carry the same value to them as KD will for their competitive goals with Wemby!

[dremill24]

Read on Twitter

Would love to somehow get Sabonis in a trade if possible.

Didnt realize you were such a fan of being in the Play-In race

Obviously that wouldn't be our only move...lol. Final assessment to be made once all cumulative moves are completed.

Oh Im pricing in the rest too lol.

[One_and_Done]

He's 37 and an injury risk. He could be great for a team, he could also fall off a cliff immediately. At that age guys not named Lebron can lose it fast. I don't think any team in the league would give you the #8 & #16 pick in next years draft for KD if they had those assets, never mind all the other stuff. The Spurs certainly won't, given the youth of their team.

I heard all the same things from Kings fans about what would be in the Fox trade, and I was right then too.