2025-26 Season News & Discussion

[lilfishi22]

Too much ≠ Grayson Allen + Nick Richards (and Royce O'Neil)

Those are bench guys that would shift our culture minimally. There's enough leadership there plus the change of scenery and getting him out of the dumpster fire that is New Orleans basketball that would make that trade worth it to me.

Call up whoever patched together Nash, Grant Hill and Shaq when they came here. All of those guys couldn't stay on the court till they arrived in the Valley. Bring that Dr outta retirement and have him do work on Zion.


Literally the perfect PF next to Booker.

The coveted Phoenix medical staff that kept Nash healthy during the SSOL days and extended the careers of guys who couldn't stay on the court was led by one Aaron Nelson. He was both innovative in his approach which was quite ahead of the time when it comes to injury prevention as the focus rather than injury management. Do you know what the biggest irony of this comment is? He left the Suns in 2019 and has led the medical team in New Orleans until this past April. So he saw through both the management and rehab of all of Zion's injuries.

https://www.nba.com/pelicans/news/one-nbas-most-accomplished-and-respected-trainers-aaron-nelson-enjoying-move-new-orleans

Zion at this point isn't rehabilitatable. He's damaged goods

That's probably the most disappointing and ironic part of the whole Zion becoming available trade discussion. Because you'd expect much better outcomes/ results from this generations medical staffs considering all of the innovations in sports medicine and preventative therapy, strength and conditioning.

Overall though, the majority outcomes throughout the league have fallen short of what they could be I'd think.

And even though I'd love to see a function version inside out game of a Booker/ Zion duo, I'd still be more than happy to see us continue our competitive resurgence as long as we can with our current team if it plays out like that.

Don't get me wrong, the idea of Zion is absolutely intriguing for me to but the reality just doesn't match the pie in the sky idea (not a Zion pun). But I have always been intrigued by the idea of a Book and Beal combo as well going back to when Beal finally became the man in Washington when Wall started to fade and was finally traded. And maybe it would've worked out under different circumstances but we've seen it now and it just didn't work out the way I had hoped. I think in part because there just wasn't the right coaching but Beal missing almost 30 games a season just didn't help the situation. Zion missing even more games and more consistently is just not a good starting point if you really want to test a Book/Zion duo.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Unless we're buying ultra low (Zion for Greyson+O'Neil) then stay away from trades

That's the idea around my thought process of the basic framework in a trade as it'd cost around 39 million for his salary.

And even though we'd likely miss some combination of Allen, O'neale and Richards contributions, Zion would give Booker an unstoppable (when playing) inside presence to not only draw fouls, but to play inside (Zion) to outside (Booker), Gillespie, J Green, Goodwin, Brea, etc. While Mark Williams just patrols the paint and protects the rim and rebounds.

People focus on his durability concerns as a end all argument, but we're talking about a generational talent at an actual position of need, and who scores a per 36 of 27 points/ 7 rebounds/ 5 assists.

I love our depth and team as is, and our overall depth and camaraderie, But opportunities like this for a generational talent almost never ever happen. It's a risk for sure, but if it pays off, we're legit contenders while Booker is here.

People don't focus on Zion's durability because it's some fun topic to kick around. It's a major focus for everyone because it's the single biggest factor in derailing what should have been a generational player's career. And Zion would have about as much impact as Beal's dead salary if he doesn't play.

When he plays you get a guy who doesn't play much defense, doesn't spread the floor, is as turnover prone as Book and is quite frankly the worst fit for a player like Book is another ball dominant guy who isn't an elite playmaker, doesn't shoot 3s and is overall a poor floor spacer. And back to the health point, Zion being unavailable for most of the season means you're back to Book carrying an even bigger offensive load because now we're missing elite floor spacers, quick decision makers and smart passers in Grayson/Royce.

Of course the health issues are a paramount implied risk, because without him, he'd never even become available at all. The risk is the trade off for getting a generational talent for pennies on the dollar potentially.

I do have to disagree though that he'd have as much impact as Beal's dead salary if he didn't play. Again, if ye doesn't play a specific amount of games, then his contract clause allows us to actually avoid his contract at no cost to us salary wise.

Vastly different to Beal's dead money we can't move, stretch or dump and are stuck with for the next half decade. And if ye does play, ge offers a unique mismatch for Booker, Gillespie, and whatever other players we would keep from the immense gravity he forces from opposing defenses trying to stop him.


I'm also not highly concerned over his defense if being flanked between Brooks and Williams defensively. Our defense is strong enough. And we have shooters but can get cheap 3 pt specialists if needed from free agency as well.

The key is to not overpay in a trade, but then again, we'd be negotiating with his value being at it's lowest anyways if not viewed negatively?

Lastly, it's important to not ignore our more balanced bench options with Gillespie, Goodwin, and Livers all being capable shooters.

Not to mention the fact that Brooks has been averaging over 20 points considtently for awhile now too. And Zion even if playing under 36 minutes in limited time has still put up around 22 points/ 5 rebounds/ 4 assists all season.

So it's honestly not at all like Booker would have to carry a heavier load with more offense. Plus with the gravity Zion creates, teams won't be able to double as much and hits shots should come cleaner and easier too.

Lastly, I'm not overtly concerned with playmaking from Zion considering how many assists both Booker and Gillespie average. And you should consider that if we did swap J Green/ O'neale and Richards for Zion, then we'd still keep Allen.

And if we keep J Green and instead send out Allen, O'neale, Richards, etc ( not likely), we'd still have J Green along with Booker and Zion to split the offensive load.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Let's see how he goes for a full season before we proclaim him prime Murray

For sure that's fair, my early assessment on KPJr was that given an actual opportunity in a different situation, he could project to have very similar production and impact as Dejounte Murray. Now statistically he's showing that capacity so far.

But I'm willing to let things play out on a bigger sample for comparison if he continues to get such opportunities.

KPJ has always been talented on the offensive end. So stringing together a handful of high scoring games is neither surprising nor unexpected. In the last 7 games of just his 3rd season, he averaged 29/7/7. He could score, everyone knows he can score. The problem is the attitude and maturity questions and of course the defensive end which is a major differentiator between him and Murray. Murray isn't the defender he used to be since his injury but nevertheless still not an easy out.

Sure those are good and accurate perspectives man. But I'm interested in his efficiency during this stat and production line. I am curious to see if it's maintained.

But I'm also a believer in 2nd chances and better outcomes resulting from different situations. Until I hear about actual similar issues and/or discipline problems still occurring in this new situation, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.that it was an anomalous situation resulting from youth, inexperience and environment.

For the Dejounte Murray comparison, I'm primarily looking at production and efficiency and to see how long it lasts. For defense, I expect similarities in time due to similar stature, athleticism and length.

For us, we have the more expensive, more hyped lottery facsimile of KPJr in J Green. I also kind of find that to he somewhat ironic.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This bodes well for us I'm sure!

[lilfishi22]

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How would you guys rank our biggest needs (if any) around the trade deadline?

I'd say a backup C is more important than PF imo. Throughout the offseason, I thought PF was our weakest position and from a talent perspective, it is. But I also didn't expect Brooks to become our starting 4 and he's been good at defending multiple positions. Watching our defense, there are some similarities to the Thunder's absolute lock down defense. We obviously don't have the defensive talent they do but both teams employ high pressure, high rotation defensive schemes that generates a lot of turnovers where we're #1 and they are #2 in the league in steals. You'd be surprised to know how often they run undersized line ups with 6-4 Lu Dort as their PF and a skinny Chet as their sole big man but that allows them to be ultra quick on the perimeters and in the passing lanes. I think the biggest thing for me is that Dunn and Livers have been able to slide into that backup 4 role and have done a very solid job of it. Is it a long term solution? Probably not but it's working fine so far and I'd be cautious just throwing some high salary player into the PF position or push Brooks out of it because they might look better suited on paper.

I'm not worried about guard play because we have multiple guys could hold down the fort as a play maker/scorer, so to me, it probably comes down to the C position as the weakest link. Williams has been fantastic but he doesn't play B2B and who knows how healthy he'll continue to be. KM is clearly not ready to play rotation minutes let alone be a consistent contributor, Richard has been awful this season and Oso has improved since the start of the season but he's also quite undersized for the position and he just doesn't add much to the rebounding totals. For example both Oso and Goodwin has played about the same number of minutes (406min vs 400min) but Goodwin has 6 more rebounds than Oso. A proper C like Richards at least grabs rebounds if nothing else and he's recorded 72 rebounds in half the minutes played as the Oso. If we move on from Richard, which I expect we will by the trade deadline then we're reliant on Oso as the sole backup and I hope KM will be able to not be a negative in the minutes he'll likely get when Williams goes down with any injury. I'm not comfortable or confident in those situations

So of the list above, I wouldn't really want any of them and they are likely to cost at least one of our good role players because of salaries.

Great assessment man!
And I pretty much agree with you on our most paramount frontcourt needs. Although I'm kind of leaning into identifying a big 4/5 ( at least 6'11 and long if possible) that can play spot minutes at both the 4 and 5 as insurance for Williams possibly missing time.

But also to give us different matchup looks against teams that are bigger, longer, and more physical, and give us problems in certain matchups. The most recent rumors circulating about have:

1- Chicago interested in either Zion or Anthony Davis. And I'd wonder if we could sneak into one of those trades for a Zach Collins or maybe Vucevic and aend them some combination of O'neale or Allen and Richards?

2- Miami interested in Morant.
Maybe sneak into that package and try to get one of Jovic or Vladislav Goldin ( Miami) who plays very similar to Ivaca Zubac and played at Michigan.

Or maybe a Jock Landale and Ty Jerome from Memphis for O'neale and Richards? If we couldn't finagle Santi Aldama.

Overall, my list of bigs ( potential 4/5s) would be:

1- Zach Collins.
2- Nikola Vucevic.
3- Santi Aldama.
4- Jonathan Isaac.
5- Goga Bidatze.
6- Day'Ron Sharpe.

Any of............... Jay Huff, Jalen Smith, Orlando Robinson, Colin Castleton, Ulriche Comche, Sandro Mamukashevili, or Micah Potter.

I think the guys on your list are interesting. 4/5 doesn't really matter to me as long as they can defend bigs, rebound and at the very least be efficient around the hoop if they can't step out to shoot 3's.

Vuc and Collins, I like their expiring contract which means they'd be a good candidate if we're also looking to offload salary. I don't really know what Chicago's plans are. Seems like they want to go young with Giddey being the franchise guy but then if it's true they are looking at AD/Zion (not a good idea imo) then someone like Grayson would make a lot of sense to give them another elite floor spacer. But we'd need some decent draft capital back. They have their own pick this season and also Portland's lotto protected 1st but Portland's pick is not ideal and given their trajectory, that Portland 1st may very well be a 2028 2nd.

2026 first round draft pick from Portland
Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028; if Portland has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2028, then Portland will instead convey its 2028 2nd round pick to Chicago [Chicago-Portland, 8/28/2021]

Aldama is also interesting. Good size, good passer for his position and on a reasonable contract. I'd be interested if Memphis has a firesale

I have no interest in Isaac.

Goga is also interesting. I think something like Goga plus a vet min guy for Royce would make a lot of sense because they are one of the worst shooting teams in the league (29th in 3pt makes, 25th in 3pt attempts and 23rd in 3P%) so they could certainly make use of Royce's skill set.

Really like Huff, huge, spreads the floor and blocks a lot of shots. Not sure how Indy got him to agree to a basement bargain 3 years min contract but yeah he'd be a nice fit.

Sandro is another big man who can hit 3s and has been a pretty big contributor to Toronto's amazing season so far. I'd expect he would be costly.

Then I put the Porters, Castleton, Comche, Sharpe and Robinson in the same bucket of indifference. I don't think any of them move the needle

[lilfishi22]

That's the idea around my thought process of the basic framework in a trade as it'd cost around 39 million for his salary.

And even though we'd likely miss some combination of Allen, O'neale and Richards contributions, Zion would give Booker an unstoppable (when playing) inside presence to not only draw fouls, but to play inside (Zion) to outside (Booker), Gillespie, J Green, Goodwin, Brea, etc. While Mark Williams just patrols the paint and protects the rim and rebounds.

People focus on his durability concerns as a end all argument, but we're talking about a generational talent at an actual position of need, and who scores a per 36 of 27 points/ 7 rebounds/ 5 assists.

I love our depth and team as is, and our overall depth and camaraderie, But opportunities like this for a generational talent almost never ever happen. It's a risk for sure, but if it pays off, we're legit contenders while Booker is here.

People don't focus on Zion's durability because it's some fun topic to kick around. It's a major focus for everyone because it's the single biggest factor in derailing what should have been a generational player's career. And Zion would have about as much impact as Beal's dead salary if he doesn't play.

When he plays you get a guy who doesn't play much defense, doesn't spread the floor, is as turnover prone as Book and is quite frankly the worst fit for a player like Book is another ball dominant guy who isn't an elite playmaker, doesn't shoot 3s and is overall a poor floor spacer. And back to the health point, Zion being unavailable for most of the season means you're back to Book carrying an even bigger offensive load because now we're missing elite floor spacers, quick decision makers and smart passers in Grayson/Royce.

Of course the health issues are a paramount implied risk, because without him, he'd never even become available at all. The risk is the trade off for getting a generational talent for pennies on the dollar potentially.

I do have to disagree though that he'd have as much impact as Beal's dead salary if he didn't play. Again, if ye doesn't play a specific amount of games, then his contract clause allows us to actually avoid his contract at no cost to us salary wise.

Vastly different to Beal's dead money we can't move, stretch or dump and are stuck with for the next half decade. And if ye does play, ge offers a unique mismatch for Booker, Gillespie, and whatever other players we would keep from the immense gravity he forces from opposing defenses trying to stop him.


I'm also not highly concerned over his defense if being flanked between Brooks and Williams defensively. Our defense is strong enough. And we have shooters but can get cheap 3 pt specialists if needed from free agency as well.

The key is to not overpay in a trade, but then again, we'd be negotiating with his value being at it's lowest anyways if not viewed negatively?

Lastly, it's important to not ignore our more balanced bench options with Gillespie, Goodwin, and Livers all being capable shooters.

Not to mention the fact that Brooks has been averaging over 20 points considtently for awhile now too. And Zion even if playing under 36 minutes in limited time has still put up around 22 points/ 5 rebounds/ 4 assists all season.

So it's honestly not at all like Booker would have to carry a heavier load with more offense. Plus with the gravity Zion creates, teams won't be able to double as much and hits shots should come cleaner and easier too.

Lastly, I'm not overtly concerned with playmaking from Zion considering how many assists both Booker and Gillespie average. And you should consider that if we did swap J Green/ O'neale and Richards for Zion, then we'd still keep Allen.

And if we keep J Green and instead send out Allen, O'neale, Richards, etc ( not likely), we'd still have J Green along with Booker and Zion to split the offensive load.

I mean on court impact because he'd be as useful on the court as Beal's dead salary if he's sitting on the bench

Our defense has been good compared to expectations but it's by no mean great enough to cover Zion. Zion's has far better defense talent around him right now but he hasn't pulled his weight on the defensive end since probably his first couple of years in his career. I'm not sure how you can not be concerned about his fit next to Book. As mentioned, he's a terrible fit next to Book or you could say Book is a terrible fit next to Zion because Book isn't a natural catch and shoot guy, he's not a cutting to the basket kind of player, he's not a good defensive player to cover Zion's deficiencies.

The problem with the idea of not overpaying is that a trade HAS to include some combination of Royce, Grayson, Brooks, Green and including any of them imo is an overpay for a guy who's not likely to play a ton of games for you or worse, play just enough (but not good enough) to have a decent chunk of next season's salary be guaranteed. And whoever you get rid of, other than Green because we don't know how he'll play outside of that one game, it's going to change the dynamics of this team. Let's say we traded Royce and Grayson, that's about 40% of our 3pt attempts at a very high clip. And you'd still need to find another $12m for salary matching. If you move on from Grayson and Brooks, then we lose shooting but also everything Brooks has brought in terms of his defense, his intangibles and what he's done for our culture. I'm not sure if you've thought through what an actual trade for Zion would look like but I can't see a scenario where we actually pay pennies on the dollar for him because the reasons I just mentioned.

[lilfishi22]

For sure that's fair, my early assessment on KPJr was that given an actual opportunity in a different situation, he could project to have very similar production and impact as Dejounte Murray. Now statistically he's showing that capacity so far.

But I'm willing to let things play out on a bigger sample for comparison if he continues to get such opportunities.

KPJ has always been talented on the offensive end. So stringing together a handful of high scoring games is neither surprising nor unexpected. In the last 7 games of just his 3rd season, he averaged 29/7/7. He could score, everyone knows he can score. The problem is the attitude and maturity questions and of course the defensive end which is a major differentiator between him and Murray. Murray isn't the defender he used to be since his injury but nevertheless still not an easy out.

Sure those are good and accurate perspectives man. But I'm interested in his efficiency during this stat and production line. I am curious to see if it's maintained.

But I'm also a believer in 2nd chances and better outcomes resulting from different situations. Until I hear about actual similar issues and/or discipline problems still occurring in this new situation, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.that it was an anomalous situation resulting from youth, inexperience and environment.

For the Dejounte Murray comparison, I'm primarily looking at production and efficiency and to see how long it lasts. For defense, I expect similarities in time due to similar stature, athleticism and length.

For us, we have the more expensive, more hyped lottery facsimile of KPJr in J Green. I also kind of find that to he somewhat ironic.

Murray was an all-defensive 2nd team selection. They aren't similar

[Ghost of Kleine]

KPJ has always been talented on the offensive end. So stringing together a handful of high scoring games is neither surprising nor unexpected. In the last 7 games of just his 3rd season, he averaged 29/7/7. He could score, everyone knows he can score. The problem is the attitude and maturity questions and of course the defensive end which is a major differentiator between him and Murray. Murray isn't the defender he used to be since his injury but nevertheless still not an easy out.

Sure those are good and accurate perspectives man. But I'm interested in his efficiency during this stat and production line. I am curious to see if it's maintained.

But I'm also a believer in 2nd chances and better outcomes resulting from different situations. Until I hear about actual similar issues and/or discipline problems still occurring in this new situation, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.that it was an anomalous situation resulting from youth, inexperience and environment.

For the Dejounte Murray comparison, I'm primarily looking at production and efficiency and to see how long it lasts. For defense, I expect similarities in time due to similar stature, athleticism and length.

For us, we have the more expensive, more hyped lottery facsimile of KPJr in J Green. I also kind of find that to he somewhat ironic.

Murray was an all-defensive 2nd team selection. They aren't similar

Well again, I'm not focusing on defensive similarities or comparisons. Just go ahead and compare them statistically and overall offensively and tell me that they aren't similar. Compare them staturally too and tell me they aren't similar.

There's obviously more than just one side of the court and varying aspects of the game to formulate comparisons from. In many ways, even absent defensive impact or reputation, he's a facsimile man.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[lilfishi22]

Sure those are good and accurate perspectives man. But I'm interested in his efficiency during this stat and production line. I am curious to see if it's maintained.

But I'm also a believer in 2nd chances and better outcomes resulting from different situations. Until I hear about actual similar issues and/or discipline problems still occurring in this new situation, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.that it was an anomalous situation resulting from youth, inexperience and environment.

For the Dejounte Murray comparison, I'm primarily looking at production and efficiency and to see how long it lasts. For defense, I expect similarities in time due to similar stature, athleticism and length.

For us, we have the more expensive, more hyped lottery facsimile of KPJr in J Green. I also kind of find that to he somewhat ironic.

Murray was an all-defensive 2nd team selection. They aren't similar

Well again, I'm not focusing on defensive similarities or comparisons. Just go ahead and compare them statistically and overall offensively and tell me that they aren't similar. Compare them staturally too and tell me they aren't similar.

There's obviously more than just one side of the court and varying aspects of the game to formulate comparisons from. In many ways, even absent defensive impact or reputation, he's a facsimile man.

Murray is a better playmaker, defensive player and takes care of the ball much better. Murray also operates in the midrange a lot more than KPJ. KPJ is also way more of an isolation scorer while Murray is more PG focused so uses picks more and looks to set up he team.

[Mr Puddles]

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I'm guessing the Suns are just chalking this up as a three day losing streak and will aim to have everyone healthy in time for the GSW game.

The cup game was mentioned, but I think that's too close time wise to rush everyone back.

[lilfishi22]

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I'm guessing the Suns are just chalking this up as a three day losing streak and will aim to have everyone healthy in time for the GSW game.

The cup game was mentioned, but I think that's too close time wise to rush everyone back.

Disappointing to see this fun team getting decimated with injuries. Gotta wonder if maybe we need to review our medical staff and injury management practices. Might be a freak injury but Jalen Green played all 82 games the last two seasons and suddenly he has a strained hammy that takes him out of training camp and preseason only to reinjure it the 2nd game he's back. And again, could be the new offensive load Brooks is carrying but it's looking like he's about to miss his 7th game of this early party of the season after missing no more than 10 games over the last 3 seasons.

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I'm guessing the Suns are just chalking this up as a three day losing streak and will aim to have everyone healthy in time for the GSW game.

The cup game was mentioned, but I think that's too close time wise to rush everyone back.

Disappointing to see this fun team getting decimated with injuries. Gotta wonder if maybe we need to review our medical staff and injury management practices. Might be a freak injury but Jalen Green played all 82 games the last two seasons and suddenly he has a strained hammy that takes him out of training camp and preseason only to reinjure it the 2nd game he's back. And again, could be the new offensive load Brooks is carrying but it's looking like he's about to miss his 7th game of this early party of the season after missing no more than 10 games over the last 3 seasons.

maybe if most other teams weren't dealing with multiples injuries as well. It's just how it is now.


Will have the chance to catch both games at NOLA after Christmas but I'll have to wait until it's closer to the date to actually decide on what to do. Too much money to invest in watching Gillespie, Grayson, Royce, Oso and Brooks starting lineup against a G League team.

[Fo-Real]

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How would you guys rank our biggest needs (if any) around the trade deadline?

Bobby Portis when the Bucks tear it down.

[KdoubleDees23]

Who is this "source"? Any real name behind this account?

And for who? Nobody wants the current castoffs like Mor(on)ant, Trae Young or Zion on this team. No one else makes sense.

Well, I'd imagine it would of course depend upon the specific terms interested ( but not specifically mentioned) but overall teams looking for a change ( blowing it up and looking for young high end athletic talent).

Or maybe teams looking for backcourt help or even teams looking to shed older stars or disgruntled players for a younger player like J Green who was after all a top 2 lottery pick, and has shown some very impressive scoring ability and athleticism, etc.

Overall, the GMs' listed in these pictures are:

1- Matt Loyd-
Minnesota Timberwolves GM. He might have interest in trying to pair Green in the backcourt alongside of ANT??

2- Scott Perry-
Sacramento Kings GM. He might have interest in adding J Green to his backcourt as currently they've been really bad between Lavine and DeRozan.

3- Joe Dumars-
New Orleans Pelicans GM. Unless they can drastically improve, they're likely to give up a top 5 lottery pick to Atlanta in that horrific trade giving up an unprotected 1st in 26' to move up and draft Derrick Queen.

But they'd likely want to improve upon the talent level of their backcourt from Poole and Murray. Or if they could swap out Williamson? But they also are making Herb Jones and Trey Murphy available.

4- Mike Dunleavy-
Warriors GM. Is probably looking to upgrade his backcourt after dumping Klay with a player that could compliment Curry. Of course Kuminga is said to he on the table, as well as they're willingness to explore trading Butler too......lol.

Can you stop this nonsense? Please, like take a break. Every trade is horrible. We are keeping JG

[King4Day]

And for who? Nobody wants the current castoffs like Mor(on)ant, Trae Young or Zion on this team. No one else makes sense.

Well, I'd imagine it would of course depend upon the specific terms interested ( but not specifically mentioned) but overall teams looking for a change ( blowing it up and looking for young high end athletic talent).

Or maybe teams looking for backcourt help or even teams looking to shed older stars or disgruntled players for a younger player like J Green who was after all a top 2 lottery pick, and has shown some very impressive scoring ability and athleticism, etc.

Overall, the GMs' listed in these pictures are:

1- Matt Loyd-
Minnesota Timberwolves GM. He might have interest in trying to pair Green in the backcourt alongside of ANT??

2- Scott Perry-
Sacramento Kings GM. He might have interest in adding J Green to his backcourt as currently they've been really bad between Lavine and DeRozan.

3- Joe Dumars-
New Orleans Pelicans GM. Unless they can drastically improve, they're likely to give up a top 5 lottery pick to Atlanta in that horrific trade giving up an unprotected 1st in 26' to move up and draft Derrick Queen.

But they'd likely want to improve upon the talent level of their backcourt from Poole and Murray. Or if they could swap out Williamson? But they also are making Herb Jones and Trey Murphy available.

4- Mike Dunleavy-
Warriors GM. Is probably looking to upgrade his backcourt after dumping Klay with a player that could compliment Curry. Of course Kuminga is said to he on the table, as well as they're willingness to explore trading Butler too......lol.

Can you stop this nonsense? Please, like take a break. Every trade is horrible. We are keeping JG

Let him cook!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

And for who? Nobody wants the current castoffs like Mor(on)ant, Trae Young or Zion on this team. No one else makes sense.

Well, I'd imagine it would of course depend upon the specific terms interested ( but not specifically mentioned) but overall teams looking for a change ( blowing it up and looking for young high end athletic talent).

Or maybe teams looking for backcourt help or even teams looking to shed older stars or disgruntled players for a younger player like J Green who was after all a top 2 lottery pick, and has shown some very impressive scoring ability and athleticism, etc.

Overall, the GMs' listed in these pictures are:

1- Matt Loyd-
Minnesota Timberwolves GM. He might have interest in trying to pair Green in the backcourt alongside of ANT??

2- Scott Perry-
Sacramento Kings GM. He might have interest in adding J Green to his backcourt as currently they've been really bad between Lavine and DeRozan.

3- Joe Dumars-
New Orleans Pelicans GM. Unless they can drastically improve, they're likely to give up a top 5 lottery pick to Atlanta in that horrific trade giving up an unprotected 1st in 26' to move up and draft Derrick Queen.

But they'd likely want to improve upon the talent level of their backcourt from Poole and Murray. Or if they could swap out Williamson? But they also are making Herb Jones and Trey Murphy available.

4- Mike Dunleavy-
Warriors GM. Is probably looking to upgrade his backcourt after dumping Klay with a player that could compliment Curry. Of course Kuminga is said to he on the table, as well as they're willingness to explore trading Butler too......lol.

Can you stop this nonsense? Please, like take a break. Every trade is horrible. We are keeping JG

This was simply a response to Fo reals' question about the context of the tweet man. Nobody's saying we're definitively going to trade J Green. So maybe relax a bit, take a breath and ease up on the hyperbole just a bit?

Also, this is a trade thread for the purpose of discussion and postulation of theoretical possibilities. So whether or not you personally agree with any discussions or trade suggestions, you're likely to come across some from time to time.

So you might try some objectivity and constructive dialogue rather than emotionally based snap judgements man. Just a suggestion in kind.

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How would you guys rank our biggest needs (if any) around the trade deadline?

Bobby Portis when the Bucks tear it down.

Portis could he intruiging for sure man! What do you think it'd cost in terms of assets?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Murray was an all-defensive 2nd team selection. They aren't similar

Well again, I'm not focusing on defensive similarities or comparisons. Just go ahead and compare them statistically and overall offensively and tell me that they aren't similar. Compare them staturally too and tell me they aren't similar.

There's obviously more than just one side of the court and varying aspects of the game to formulate comparisons from. In many ways, even absent defensive impact or reputation, he's a facsimile man.

Murray is a better playmaker, defensive player and takes care of the ball much better. Murray also operates in the midrange a lot more than KPJ. KPJ is also way more of an isolation scorer while Murray is more PG focused so uses picks more and looks to set up he team.

Fair perspective man.
But young players games can evolve and expand. Early assessments might be attributed to being a product of their environment scenario.

For example, needs of the team, system fut or complimentary roster construction possibly not really matching the players specific skillset and abilities properly. Simply put, a player may he asked to play a certain way, or in a style not completely conducive to their overall development.

We'll see how things play out in time, but for now, the statistical comparison is fairly apt.