Summer League Fun

[WeekapaugGroove]

Er...you *can*, but I'm not sure why you'd do that. Every single NBA team has the rights to a couple of guys playing internationally, it costs you nothing to keep their rights. Literally, it costs you no cap space or money or anything. Very useful to keep around.

Whether the Suns keep his rights is actually up to Brown. Since he was a 2nd round pick the Suns are forced to either offer him a non-guaranteed contract or release his rights if he asks them to. But since I can't see him even sniffing another teams roster it's in his best interest to just not sign a contract and stay on the Suns radar since they have already invested some time in his development.

The rules in place so teams can't just take a guy then never give them a chance to play in the NBA.

Brown played in the D-League last year and before he got injured at the end of last summer league (separated shoulder) he was going to play in Spain. Since he played in another league...

"If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in team salary during the regular season while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team." (via cbafaq)

He's probably going to sign overseas , meaning the Suns will keep his rights. Look at Schortsanitis for example, his rights were held by the Clippers forever even though he never played with them (before they eventually traded the rights).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofoklis_Schortsanitis

Could Alec Brown force the issue and not play for another non-NBA team in an effort to void his rights? Yes, but the 50th overall pick is guaranteed nothing in the NBA, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to instead play overseas for a bit and make some $.

Yes; you're 100% correct and maybe I didn't word my response clearly. The suns do keep his rights when/if he goes to Europe or Bakersfield.

All I was saying is it's up to Brown since he could say "I want to play in the NBA" and the suns couldn't stop him from trying. But that wouldn't be a good idea for him since his ability right now will stop him from making a roster.

[thamadkant]

I think Alec Brown will be waived as soon as Summer League ends. He barely played.

He can't be waived, he never signed. He's like a stone cold lock to play overseas for at least one year and join the team next year if he's good enough (or after). The Suns still have his rights, if he ever comes over to the NBA he has to sign with the Suns.

Plus, his pro position is clearly going to be PF (just like Kaminsky). He doesn't have the overwhelming size to play C, but if the Suns need a second string PF next year he could certainly be brought over

lol

Yeah, that'll be awkward..

McD: Sorry Alec, we have to waive you...
Alec: But I dont have a contract with the Suns...
McD: Oh... well, guess we'll see you next year.

[RunDogGun]

See this is where my original question comes about. If the DL is the same as overseas ball, why wouldn't a team just rack up players in a draft, and stash them on their DL affiliate? Where they would learn the team's system,and still retain their rights?

Plus I never hear draft and stash when referring to the DL. It is almost always overseas.

[tdjm]

See this is where my original question comes about. If the DL is the same as overseas ball, why wouldn't a team just rack up players at stash them on their DL affiliate? Where they would learn the team's system,and still retain their rights?

Plus I never hear draft and stash when referring to the DL. It is almost always overseas.

The maximum you can earn in the D-League is 25,000. Stashed guys are still going to get at least 6 figures overseas. It's purely a money thing.

[WeekapaugGroove]

See this is where my original question comes about. If the DL is the same as overseas ball, why wouldn't a team just rack up players at stash them on their DL affiliate? Where they would learn the team's system,and still retain their rights?

Plus I never hear draft and stash when referring to the DL. It is almost always overseas.

The maximum you can earn in the D-League is 25,000. Stashed guys are still going to get at least 6 figures overseas. It's purely a money thing.

yup. I really think the league should invest some of the new tv money in the dleague. Make it as attractive as Europe or China and raise the level of play. Better quality of play would lead to better development for the young guys down there. I'd also like to see them add a could designated dleague roster spots for teams where you could pay a guy six figures and keep there rights while playing down in the dleague.

[saintEscaton]

See this is where my original question comes about. If the DL is the same as overseas ball, why wouldn't a team just rack up players in a draft, and stash them on their DL affiliate? Where they would learn the team's system,and still retain their rights?

Plus I never hear draft and stash when referring to the DL. It is almost always overseas.

Well obviously Euroleague competition is superior to DLeauge second only to the NBA and hence is usually preferred. Looks the DLeague is heading towards becoming a minor league farm in some capacity under a one-one to partnership with the parent NBA organization where players wont count against cap space for the duration of their assignment . OKC tried doing a domestic draft and stash with Josh Huestis their '15 first round pick. A player would have to agree to take a major paycut upwards of 90% of what they would receive on the first year of their rookie deal and sign with the exclusive affilitate DLeaue team on a max annual salary that is a measly $25 K. But the player's draft rights would remain frozen and he would remain under control for an additional year if the draftig team doesn't sign him to a contract with guaranteed money and there is no assurance of that since under the table promises/ illicit financial compensation are barred by the CBA. So as of now it can be exploitative and is far from being a beneficial two-way street done in good faith

[Saberestar]

See this is where my original question comes about. If the DL is the same as overseas ball, why wouldn't a team just rack up players in a draft, and stash them on their DL affiliate? Where they would learn the team's system,and still retain their rights?

Plus I never hear draft and stash when referring to the DL. It is almost always overseas.

1. The level of play in Europe (or even China) is way higher than in the D-League.
2. The money that a player earns in Europe or China is way higher than in the D-League.

[WeekapaugGroove]

And the only reason it worked with huestis is he wasn't looked at as a 1st round talent and maybe even wouldn't have been taken in the 2nd. He chose to do the dleague thing for a year and now gets rewarded with at least two years guaranteed after signing his rookie deal this summer.

I am curious how the thunder didn't get in trouble for making this deal since it was obviously pre-negotiated before they even drafted him.

[saintEscaton]

And the only reason it worked with huestis is he wasn't looked at as a 1st round talent and maybe even wouldn't have been taken in the 2nd. He chose to do the dleague thing for a year and now gets rewarded with at least two years guaranteed after signing his rookie deal this summer.

I am curious how the thunder didn't get in trouble for making this deal since it was obviously pre-negotiated before they even drafted him.

His agent figured that was the only way his client would be drafted so he went along with it. Hence why some prospects prefer to be UDFAs and pick their team

[SkinnyOMiller]

Warren has good passing ability, but still one tricky pony on offense.

JMac1: That was more jinx post from me.

How can you say that he has good passing ability and then say he is a one trick pony. If he can score like he does and pass the ball around well, I ain't even mad, his shot will develop over time.

[RunDogGun]

Warren has good passing ability, but still one tricky pony on offense.

JMac1: That was more jinx post from me.

How can you say that he has good passing ability and then say he is a one trick pony. If he can score like he does and pass the ball around well, I ain't even mad, his shot will develop over time.

Maybe he is saying that he has the ability to pass, but just doesn't use it enough to call it another trick. His rebounding is pretty terrible, and his defense is a bit weak. Right now he has a good floater, but pretty average on other shots.

[SSOL]

Warren is far from a one trick pony. The dude shoots 60 percent from the field scoring 20 a game. He has a multitude of floaters (off each foot) half hooks, turnarounds and hesitation moves. All of which are effective. Once he gets a 3 he won't be able to be stopped on that end.

[bwgood77]

Just started game. Mike James looking pretty impressive early. Some great instincts and passing while falling out of bounds a nice one to Len, and then on a fast break, a nice catch and quick pass to Archie for the slam.

I really like him, Mickey and Harrellson. I hope we keep them on our D league team. I know you can have only 15 active guys, but how many guys can you have under contract?

[Steve Nashidis]

PF/C

Kief, Teletovic, Leuer, Chandler, Len, Harrelson......Every four can shoot....YUUUUP!

Are there anyone news about singing Harrellson ? He is very solid in this summer league . And after these performances i think that we shoudnt trade for Leuer and this trade was false.
We now have $1,035,000 for his contract instead of taking a good European guy on Center (Gudaitis for example). Gudaitis is a nice player to cover the 3rd spot of our Center and Harrellson should take Leuer's spot in PF

PF - Markieef-Teletovic-Harrelson
C- Chandler-Len-Gudaitis

Harrelsson -Gudaitis will spend the present contract of Leur. Just a few thoughs about our roster .

Sorry for my english

[franksredhot]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgWA3Y92C6o[/youtube]

Man that shot is so money.

[bwgood77]

PF/C

Kief, Teletovic, Leuer, Chandler, Len, Harrelson......Every four can shoot....YUUUUP!

Are there anyone news about singing Harrellson ? He is very solid in this summer league . And after these performances i think that we shoudnt trade for Leuer and this trade was false.
We now have $1,035,000 for his contract instead of taking a good European guy on Center (Gudaitis for example). Gudaitis is a nice player to cover the 3rd spot of our Center and Harrellson should take Leuer's spot in PF

PF - Markieef-Teletovic-Harrelson
C- Chandler-Len-Gudaitis

Harrelsson -Gudaitis will spend the present contract of Leur. Just a few thoughs about our roster .

Sorry for my english

I really like what Harrellson is showing. Not sure how it will translate, but he has a nice shot and good instincts and good size. I don't know how many players we can have under contract. It seems like Houston had far more than 15 a year or so ago, so if we get to the cap and can sign guys for the minimum and have more guys under contract, but keep some inactive, I'd definitely be up for signing McConnell, James and Harrellson even if we can't play them yet. They could definitely provide end of the rotation depth if we pull of a three for one trade or something mid season.

[SkinnyOMiller]

Just started game. Mike James looking pretty impressive early. Some great instincts and passing while falling out of bounds a nice one to Len, and then on a fast break, a nice catch and quick pass to Archie for the slam.

I really like him, Mickey and Harrellson. I hope we keep them on our D league team. I know you can have only 15 active guys, but how many guys can you have under contract?

I like Harrellson a lot, his passing has been very good, getting the ball out in a timely fashion, keeping the ball moving, he has acquitted himself very well.



I also agree on McConnell and James, both have done a good job handling the basketball, both can shoot the ball well, don't see either making the roster but they've made themselves some money playing for a team overseas.

[SkinnyOMiller]

Warren is far from a one trick pony. The dude shoots 60 percent from the field scoring 20 a game. He has a multitude of floaters (off each foot) half hooks, turnarounds and hesitation moves. All of which are effective. Once he gets a 3 he won't be able to be stopped on that end.

I watch him and see a lot of Jamison in his game, it may not always look pretty and sometimes you feel like he's just chucking it up blindly, but he continually gets the ball in the hoop. Just a pure scorer.

[batsmasher]

Just started game. Mike James looking pretty impressive early. Some great instincts and passing while falling out of bounds a nice one to Len, and then on a fast break, a nice catch and quick pass to Archie for the slam.

I really like him, Mickey and Harrellson. I hope we keep them on our D league team. I know you can have only 15 active guys, but how many guys can you have under contract?

13 active, 15 under contract. We already have 13 under guaranteed contracts so all these SL guys are fighting for those last 2 spots.

[bwgood77]

Just started game. Mike James looking pretty impressive early. Some great instincts and passing while falling out of bounds a nice one to Len, and then on a fast break, a nice catch and quick pass to Archie for the slam.

I really like him, Mickey and Harrellson. I hope we keep them on our D league team. I know you can have only 15 active guys, but how many guys can you have under contract?

13 active, 15 under contract. We already have 13 under guaranteed contracts so all these SL guys are fighting for those last 2 spots.

I guess I would take Harrellson and probably Mickey, but James was so impressive today that it is tough. James had great offensive instincts and Mickey seems like the better defender. Tough one there. Wish we wouldn't have signed Price.