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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#621 » by NavLDO » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:25 pm

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gaspar wrote:I wonder who the Grizzlies will keep as their 15th player for this season. They currently have 13 guaranteed contracts and will certainly keep JaMychal Green as the 14th guy on the team. That means they can keep only one out of VC (owed $4M for next year, $2M guaranteed), Troy Williams and DJ Stephens. I think I would prefer Troy or DJ over Jenkins or Jones Jr. on the Suns for the next season.


I liked Troy and he's leading the rookies in scoring in the preseason (or was), barely beating out Chriss, though I also read they had played the most minutes and Chriss had taken the most shots.

I sure have heard some good things about Derrick Jones, Jr here though. But I'd be happy with him or Troy.


Completely agree. I doubt the Grizzlies let Williams walk, but if they do, I'd pounce on him.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#622 » by Saberestar » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:12 pm

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:I don't think this is going to happen of course and believe this is just a rumor but I might as well do some trade rosterbating:

PHX out: Bledsoe and Len
PHX in: Amir Johnson, Terry Rozier, Nets 2017 1st

SAS out: Aldridge
SAS in: Bledsoe, Len, James Young

Bos out: Amir Johnson, Terry Rozier, James Young, and Nets 2017 1st
Bos in: Aldridge

We trade our best player not named Booker and young center for basically the Nets 2017 1st. Johnson only has one more year left on his deal as well which would open up more cap flexibility for next year as well while Rozier could fill in as a backup PG while we move BK to the starting PG. We could then have two probably top 5 picks next year and be able to draft a new PG of the future and hopefully a SF or C and use the remaining money in FA to fill in the other hole.

San Antonio does this if Aldridge wants out. Pop doesn't want picks, he wants people that can help him win now. Bledsoe would be a huge upgrade at the PG spot at this time with Parker's effectiveness lessening. Len is a big body replacement that could work well in the right situation (I still believe in him) and might work nicely next to Pau. Young might need a change of scenery and is used basically to make it work in the trade machine.

Boston overpays for Aldridge here but that's what you have to do sometimes to get an all star. They keep their core basically intact here though and adding Aldridge to Brown and Horford on the frontline becomes legitimately scary for Cleveland and a real threat in the east.

Just a thought.

I don't like it for us. Bledsoe and Len can get us a better package IMO.

Boston would make this trade easily.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#623 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:14 pm

Knight, Chandler and a Miami pick for LMA.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#624 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:26 pm

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Jarlaxle0204 wrote:I don't think this is going to happen of course and believe this is just a rumor but I might as well do some trade rosterbating:

PHX out: Bledsoe and Len
PHX in: Amir Johnson, Terry Rozier, Nets 2017 1st

SAS out: Aldridge
SAS in: Bledsoe, Len, James Young

Bos out: Amir Johnson, Terry Rozier, James Young, and Nets 2017 1st
Bos in: Aldridge

We trade our best player not named Booker and young center for basically the Nets 2017 1st. Johnson only has one more year left on his deal as well which would open up more cap flexibility for next year as well while Rozier could fill in as a backup PG while we move BK to the starting PG. We could then have two probably top 5 picks next year and be able to draft a new PG of the future and hopefully a SF or C and use the remaining money in FA to fill in the other hole.

San Antonio does this if Aldridge wants out. Pop doesn't want picks, he wants people that can help him win now. Bledsoe would be a huge upgrade at the PG spot at this time with Parker's effectiveness lessening. Len is a big body replacement that could work well in the right situation (I still believe in him) and might work nicely next to Pau. Young might need a change of scenery and is used basically to make it work in the trade machine.

Boston overpays for Aldridge here but that's what you have to do sometimes to get an all star. They keep their core basically intact here though and adding Aldridge to Brown and Horford on the frontline becomes legitimately scary for Cleveland and a real threat in the east.

Just a thought.

I don't like it for us. Bledsoe and Len can get us a better package IMO.

Boston would make this trade easily.

Interesting. I kind of love it for us. It does 3 things. Gives us a probable top 5 pick this year with the Nets pick (in a seemingly PG loaded draft), clears off a bunch of salary in allowing us to then go after someone like Noel (who others here seem to like better than Len), and probably takes us out of any sort of contention for the playoffs this year (if there is any to begin with) and allows our own pick to probably be top 5 as well.

Two top 5 draft picks while shedding salary and keeping the core intact. Just curious as to what you think we could get for Bledsoe and Len?
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#625 » by carey » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:25 pm

Can anyone with NBATv record the Suns team preview tonight at 6 p.m. EST and put it on vodlocker or dropbox? Holler at me if you think you can do it. I'm interested in seeing it.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#627 » by MathiasPW » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:29 pm

carey wrote:Can anyone with NBATv record the Suns team preview tonight at 6 p.m. EST and put it on vodlocker or dropbox? Holler at me if you think you can do it. I'm interested in seeing it.


Thank you for letting me know, I´ll watch it now. Don´t know any of that streaming thingie though...
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#628 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:35 pm

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:I don't think this is going to happen of course and believe this is just a rumor but I might as well do some trade rosterbating:

PHX out: Bledsoe and Len
PHX in: Amir Johnson, Terry Rozier, Nets 2017 1st

SAS out: Aldridge
SAS in: Bledsoe, Len, James Young

Bos out: Amir Johnson, Terry Rozier, James Young, and Nets 2017 1st
Bos in: Aldridge

We trade our best player not named Booker and young center for basically the Nets 2017 1st. Johnson only has one more year left on his deal as well which would open up more cap flexibility for next year as well while Rozier could fill in as a backup PG while we move BK to the starting PG. We could then have two probably top 5 picks next year and be able to draft a new PG of the future and hopefully a SF or C and use the remaining money in FA to fill in the other hole.

San Antonio does this if Aldridge wants out. Pop doesn't want picks, he wants people that can help him win now. Bledsoe would be a huge upgrade at the PG spot at this time with Parker's effectiveness lessening. Len is a big body replacement that could work well in the right situation (I still believe in him) and might work nicely next to Pau. Young might need a change of scenery and is used basically to make it work in the trade machine.

Boston overpays for Aldridge here but that's what you have to do sometimes to get an all star. They keep their core basically intact here though and adding Aldridge to Brown and Horford on the frontline becomes legitimately scary for Cleveland and a real threat in the east.

Just a thought.

I may be in the minority who thinks if we get decent value for Bledsoe and the trade fits our plan, then do it. I feel Bledsoe is hitting his prime but his prime will not be a long one with those injury concerns. His style and injury history doesn't sit well with me at all.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#629 » by nevetsov » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:35 pm

Don't know how comfortable I am trading either of the MIA picks, they have the potential to be pretty damn good. Could be the LAL pick fiasco all over again.

I say that, because I don't know if LMA would make us a contender. We'd be good, sure, but would it be enough for us to challenge Gsw and CLE?

Bledsoe, Ulis
Booker, Barbosa/Jenkins
Tucker, Warren
Aldridge, Dudley/Bender
Chandler, Chriss/Williams

If it's not going to put us over the top, there's no point compromising our future by throwing away a likely lotto pick.

In any case, I think the Nets pick from BOS trumps any offer we make. Boston goes big three part 2.

IT
Bradley
Crowder
Aldridge
Horford

Is an East contender imo.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#630 » by Saberestar » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:36 pm

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
Jarlaxle0204 wrote:Two top 5 draft picks while shedding salary and keeping the core intact. Just curious as to what you think we could get for Bledsoe and Len?

I think that Bledsoe and Len are part of our core, Bledsoe is young enough and perfect next to Booker. Len is a RFA who can improve and I like him as our backup C under Chandler or even Chriss if he develops quickly.

With our own 2017 pick being probably a Top 10 pick I'm not interested in another high pick...we have a lot of young talent to develop, the addition of one great young prospect next season would be enough.

Reagrding their value, I think a package of Bledsoe and Len can get you a young borderline All Star player...someone like Gordon Hayward for example.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#631 » by bwgood77 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:45 pm

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Jarlaxle0204 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

I think that Bledsoe and Len are part of our core, Bledsoe is young enough and perfect next to Booker. Len is a RFA who can improve and I like him as our backup C under Chandler or even Chriss if he develops quickly.

With our own 2017 pick being probably a Top 10 pick I'm not interested in another high pick...we have a lot of young talent to develop, the addition of one great young prospect next season would be enough.

Reagrding their value, I think a package of Bledsoe and Len can get you a young borderline All Star player...someone like Gordon Hayward for example.


I don't think either has much trade value with Bledsoe's injury risk and Len's poor play and upcoming contract. Seems like very few teams need centers too. Some have too many. Philadephia, Sacramento, Orlando, NY, Utah...all have quite a few bigs...sure there are others I'm not thinking of.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#632 » by RunDogGun » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:30 am

jcsunsfan wrote:Knight, Chandler and a Miami pick for LMA.

Couple of things: Didn't we get Chandler because it was one of the guys LMA wanted to play next to? Next, I thought I heard that the Spurs were trying to drop salary if they moved LMA.

As for a trade for LMA, I'm a bit torn. If the Spurs are truly trying to unload him, is he right for our team? At this point, I want to have Booker be the guy we get the ball to.

I'm ok with a Knight, Len, Goodwin for LMA, but I would be really angry if he is a me first player.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#633 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:55 am

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jcsunsfan wrote:Knight, Chandler and a Miami pick for LMA.

Couple of things: Didn't we get Chandler because it was one of the guys LMA wanted to play next to? Next, I thought I heard that the Spurs were trying to drop salary if they moved LMA.

As for a trade for LMA, I'm a bit torn. If the Spurs are truly trying to unload him, is he right for our team? At this point, I want to have Booker be the guy we get the ball to.

I'm ok with a Knight, Len, Goodwin for LMA, but I would be really angry if he is a me first player.

I personally love the idea of LMA on our team but I can also see that this team is probably not ready to have a guy of LMA's caliber come in and turn us into mid-top tier playoff team. For me, the biggest concern is LMA's attitude. LMA went from a Portland team that's been fairly competitive throughout his career to an elite Spurs that won 67 games and now he's unhappy. If they can't keep him happy, I don't think we would be able to even with Chandler and Watson
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2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#634 » by Jdiddy701 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:17 am

Maybe LMA just doesn't get along with his teammates. The guys on the roster aren't what you call "cool." Sometimes it's more than basketball and winning.

Can you see Aldridge at dinner with Parker, Gasol, Manu and Leonard? I would be so bored with them. Lol


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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#635 » by Zelaznyrules » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:11 am

carey wrote:Can anyone with NBATv record the Suns team preview tonight at 6 p.m. EST and put it on vodlocker or dropbox? Holler at me if you think you can do it. I'm interested in seeing it.


I lack the skills to do that for you but I will tell you that it was no big deal, which has been the case for us for a couple of years now. They do a pretty good preview of some of the teams but we clearly fall into their "they don't matter" group. And for those teams, you get virtually no substance and no up close insights. For us it was just the standard, Booker had a great rookie season and he's only 19 kind of stuff. Stu Jackson is a Warren fan and did say some nice things about TJ but nothing that was really current info.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#636 » by AtheJ415 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:59 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Jarlaxle0204 wrote:I don't think this is going to happen of course and believe this is just a rumor but I might as well do some trade rosterbating:

PHX out: Bledsoe and Len
PHX in: Amir Johnson, Terry Rozier, Nets 2017 1st

SAS out: Aldridge
SAS in: Bledsoe, Len, James Young

Bos out: Amir Johnson, Terry Rozier, James Young, and Nets 2017 1st
Bos in: Aldridge

We trade our best player not named Booker and young center for basically the Nets 2017 1st. Johnson only has one more year left on his deal as well which would open up more cap flexibility for next year as well while Rozier could fill in as a backup PG while we move BK to the starting PG. We could then have two probably top 5 picks next year and be able to draft a new PG of the future and hopefully a SF or C and use the remaining money in FA to fill in the other hole.

San Antonio does this if Aldridge wants out. Pop doesn't want picks, he wants people that can help him win now. Bledsoe would be a huge upgrade at the PG spot at this time with Parker's effectiveness lessening. Len is a big body replacement that could work well in the right situation (I still believe in him) and might work nicely next to Pau. Young might need a change of scenery and is used basically to make it work in the trade machine.

Boston overpays for Aldridge here but that's what you have to do sometimes to get an all star. They keep their core basically intact here though and adding Aldridge to Brown and Horford on the frontline becomes legitimately scary for Cleveland and a real threat in the east.

Just a thought.

I may be in the minority who thinks if we get decent value for Bledsoe and the trade fits our plan, then do it. I feel Bledsoe is hitting his prime but his prime will not be a long one with those injury concerns. His style and injury history doesn't sit well with me at all.


I agree as well actually. Particularly looking at next year's draft, a good PG will be available. Also, Bledsoe has enough value in this league to get a good haul, regardless of his injury history. His contract isn't bad at all in today's game, and he still has upside.

Also, there are teams out there who may like Knight at $12 mil in today's market. Greedily, I am keeping a close eye on Utah. Gobert and Hill are FAs this year. Gobert will get maxed. Hill will jump to 8 figures at least. Next year, both Hayward and Favors are FAs. I think Utah probably would prefer Hayward, but who knows. Maybe they'd prefer Knight on a locked in deal over paying Hill.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#637 » by asudevil » Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:10 am

I'll just throw this one out there:

Suns trade:
Len/Knight
Suns get:
Vucevic/Henson

Bucks trade:
Henson
Bucks get:
Payton

Magic trade:
Vucevic/Payton
Magic get:
Knight/Len
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#638 » by NavLDO » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:38 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
Jarlaxle0204 wrote:I don't think this is going to happen of course and believe this is just a rumor but I might as well do some trade rosterbating:

PHX out: Bledsoe and Len
PHX in: Amir Johnson, Terry Rozier, Nets 2017 1st

SAS out: Aldridge
SAS in: Bledsoe, Len, James Young

Bos out: Amir Johnson, Terry Rozier, James Young, and Nets 2017 1st
Bos in: Aldridge

We trade our best player not named Booker and young center for basically the Nets 2017 1st. Johnson only has one more year left on his deal as well which would open up more cap flexibility for next year as well while Rozier could fill in as a backup PG while we move BK to the starting PG. We could then have two probably top 5 picks next year and be able to draft a new PG of the future and hopefully a SF or C and use the remaining money in FA to fill in the other hole.

San Antonio does this if Aldridge wants out. Pop doesn't want picks, he wants people that can help him win now. Bledsoe would be a huge upgrade at the PG spot at this time with Parker's effectiveness lessening. Len is a big body replacement that could work well in the right situation (I still believe in him) and might work nicely next to Pau. Young might need a change of scenery and is used basically to make it work in the trade machine.

Boston overpays for Aldridge here but that's what you have to do sometimes to get an all star. They keep their core basically intact here though and adding Aldridge to Brown and Horford on the frontline becomes legitimately scary for Cleveland and a real threat in the east.

Just a thought.

I may be in the minority who thinks if we get decent value for Bledsoe and the trade fits our plan, then do it. I feel Bledsoe is hitting his prime but his prime will not be a long one with those injury concerns. His style and injury history doesn't sit well with me at all.


I agree. I was ecstatic when we were able to secure Bledsoe, and even more so for the very reasonable pkg we had to give up to get him. And so far, he's outplayed hat value IMO...BUT...he is in his prime and injured quite a bit, so if we were to offload him for an LMA-type, I'd be ok with that. And as was mentioned in an earlier post; the combo of Booker, Ulis, LB, and Goodwin should be able to fill the void well enough. Let's face it; assuming Knight's gone, that's out plan anyway if he get's injured again.

But for this particular trade, I'm not thrilled with it, personally, but if we got the pick out of it, I guess I could stand it. That would almost ensure another 2-lottery pick draft again. But then we would hopefully take the best PG and best C available, leaving us with this potential group in 3 years:

Lotto Pick #1 / Rozier
Booker / (Jones Jr. or Goodwin???)
Bender / Warren
Chriss / 2018 Lotto Pick
Lotto pick #2 / 2018 MIA Pick

To me, that's just too much 'young' going on. So I'd counter that if we did a trade like this, McD should work the phones hard and 'sell' those MIA picks and our own 2018 likely-Lotto pick for a budding star. We can only 'build' so much talent; we need a young, already developed talent like Jokic, Nurkic, Adams, Gobert, Noel, Holmes, Grant, Dieng, Muhammed, Gordon, Randle, Russell, Mirotic, Portis, etc., etc., (and I just spewed a list of names; I'm not sold on all of them by any means--just options)
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#639 » by NavLDO » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:51 pm

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I think that Bledsoe and Len are part of our core, Bledsoe is young enough and perfect next to Booker. Len is a RFA who can improve and I like him as our backup C under Chandler or even Chriss if he develops quickly.

With our own 2017 pick being probably a Top 10 pick I'm not interested in another high pick...we have a lot of young talent to develop, the addition of one great young prospect next season would be enough.

Reagrding their value, I think a package of Bledsoe and Len can get you a young borderline All Star player...someone like Gordon Hayward for example.


Good point as well, but to me, Len is going to have to step it up quickly and early this season; but if he does, then do we WANT to trade him?? It's a catch-22 if Len starts playing like we'd expected--something to the tune of 16 / 9 / 2 Blks on at least, or close to, .500 shooting and .750 FT%.

The MIA picks, IMO, could e used/pkg'd for that young borderline All-Star if we get to pick 2 top 10 picks again this year. If that happens, then I don't care about the MIA picks as much, as that leaves us with Warren, Booker, Bender, Chriss, Ulis, Pick #1, Pick #2. that's potential for 7 starter-level talents under the age of 24. Assuming 2 become 'All-Star' level, we go out and get our #3 of our 'Big 3' using 2x MIA picks, our 2017 pick, Bledsoe, Knight, Len, Chandler, and/or Goodwin. All that should net us a 'star' talent, IMO.
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Re: 2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread 

Post#640 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:52 pm

NavLDO wrote:To me, that's just too much 'young' going on. So I'd counter that if we did a trade like this, McD should work the phones hard and 'sell' those MIA picks and our own 2018 likely-Lotto pick for a budding star. We can only 'build' so much talent; we need a young, already developed talent like Jokic, Nurkic, Adams, Gobert, Noel, Holmes, Grant, Dieng, Muhammed, Gordon, Randle, Russell, Mirotic, Portis, etc., etc., (and I just spewed a list of names; I'm not sold on all of them by any means--just options)

I'd think we'd go a PG and SF in the draft and then use all of the cap space (remember that we wouldn't have Bledsoe's contract anymore on a center. I would use the cap space to offer a contract to someone like Noel and hope that they don't match since they already have Embiid and Okafor. I understand the concern with the too much youth but we'd still have Dudley, Chandler, Barbosa, and Knight to continue to "mentor/coral" the young'ins. I understand your viewpoint though.

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