Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

[bwgood77]

Man I feel almost alone here on Markkanen and I have no idea why. I'd trade Chriss or Bender for him in a flash and might even trade both of them to make it happen. I think he's going to walk into the NBA and be an impact player almost from the start. There are a couple of players (Fultz and Ball) that might have slightly higher up-side but he has a high ceiling and a very high floor. Worst case scenario, IMO, is a very rich man's Channing Frye. Hopefully, we get him and they talk him into taking some of that muscle off. That way he can get back a little of his quickness and improve his overall athleticism but even at his current weight he's going to be a factor in the League.

Probably because you are a big AZ Wildcats basketball fan.

Yeah and I'm sure that plays a part in it but I don't just watch Arizona games. And I usually stay away from hyping Wildcats because of my bias but with Markkanen I see the player every modern NBA team is in search of. I think he's going to fall somewhere between Frye and Nowitzki. It would be unfair to Dirk (and Markkanen) to suggest Lauri will be the next Dirk but that's really the closest comparison I can come up with. And I'm not suggesting he'll ever match Nowitzki's mental toughness or his ability to score against anyone no matter the situation, those are rare qualities and you never know about them until you actually see them. But IMO he'll be the player every team will regret missing out on in this draft.

Yeah, I think Dirk with a little more muscle is a pretty good comparison. I even told Dirk that. The Dirk Nowitzki on the forums, that is.

[bwgood77]

If we get Stanimal for PJ Tucker i'd be ecstatic.

Did you read that somewhere or just a statement out of the blue?

[gaspar]

If we get Stanimal for PJ Tucker i'd be ecstatic.

Did you read that somewhere or just a statement out of the blue?

https://theringer.com/the-trade-deadline-mailbag-3c2e2444e604#.l1ji21te6

[kennydorglas]

If we get Stanimal for PJ Tucker i'd be ecstatic.

Did you read that somewhere or just a statement out of the blue?

I saw that here:
https://theringer.com/the-trade-deadline-mailbag-3c2e2444e604#.lr2fpgog8

probably just wishful thinking by Simmons

[WeekapaugGroove]

If we get Stanimal for PJ Tucker i'd be ecstatic.

Did you read that somewhere or just a statement out of the blue?

I saw that here:
https://theringer.com/the-trade-deadline-mailbag-3c2e2444e604#.lr2fpgog8

probably just wishful thinking by Simmons

Yeah id do pj for johnson in a heartbeat but cant see Detroit doing that. Now say the pistons wanted to clear a little salary maybe something like johnson and either boban or baynes for pj might work. Hell id probably be willing to throw in the suns 2017 2nd rounder if needed and thats not a throw away pick since it should be in the high 30s.

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[bwgood77]

Did you read that somewhere or just a statement out of the blue?

I saw that here:
https://theringer.com/the-trade-deadline-mailbag-3c2e2444e604#.lr2fpgog8

probably just wishful thinking by Simmons

Yeah id do pj for johnson in a heartbeat but cant see Detroit doing that. Now say the pistons wanted to clear a little salary maybe something like johnson and either boban or baynes for pj might work. Hell id probably be willing to throw in the suns 2017 2nd rounder if needed and thats not a throw away pick since it should be in the high 30s.

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I'm not sure Marcus and PJ like each other, not that SVG would care.

How about Bill Simmons' other trade?

Phoenix trades Brandon Knight to Brooklyn for Randy Foye’s expiring. (FYI: If I’m running Brooklyn, I am rolling the dice on as many roughly $8–12 million used-to-be-good guys as possible — they don’t have a first-round pick until 2019, why not?)

[WeekapaugGroove]

I saw that here:
https://theringer.com/the-trade-deadline-mailbag-3c2e2444e604#.lr2fpgog8

probably just wishful thinking by Simmons

Yeah id do pj for johnson in a heartbeat but cant see Detroit doing that. Now say the pistons wanted to clear a little salary maybe something like johnson and either boban or baynes for pj might work. Hell id probably be willing to throw in the suns 2017 2nd rounder if needed and thats not a throw away pick since it should be in the high 30s.

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I'm not sure Marcus and PJ like each other, not that SVG would care.

How about Bill Simmons' other trade?

Phoenix trades Brandon Knight to Brooklyn for Randy Foye’s expiring. (FYI: If I’m running Brooklyn, I am rolling the dice on as many roughly $8–12 million used-to-be-good guys as possible — they don’t have a first-round pick until 2019, why not?)

Im torn on the knight for an expiring thing. Part of me says sure lets just move on but another part of me wonders if they would just spend that money foolishly this summer anyway. Im probably leaning towards just keeping knight and hoping he remembers how to play basketball at some point.

I should note the nets should absolutely look to do something like this.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Yeah id do pj for johnson in a heartbeat but cant see Detroit doing that. Now say the pistons wanted to clear a little salary maybe something like johnson and either boban or baynes for pj might work. Hell id probably be willing to throw in the suns 2017 2nd rounder if needed and thats not a throw away pick since it should be in the high 30s.

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I'm not sure Marcus and PJ like each other, not that SVG would care.

How about Bill Simmons' other trade?

Phoenix trades Brandon Knight to Brooklyn for Randy Foye’s expiring. (FYI: If I’m running Brooklyn, I am rolling the dice on as many roughly $8–12 million used-to-be-good guys as possible — they don’t have a first-round pick until 2019, why not?)

Im torn on the knight for an expiring thing. Part of me says sure lets just move on but another part of me wonders if they would just spend that money foolishly this summer anyway. Im probably leaning towards just keeping knight and hoping he remembers how to play basketball at some point.

I should note the nets should absolutely look to do something like this.

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The way I see it is, you don't sell low if you don't have to. And we don't have to.

[bwgood77]

The way I see it is, you don't sell low if you don't have to. And we don't have to.

So in other words, you think he's worth the contract we gave him?

[WeekapaugGroove]

The way I see it is, you don't sell low if you don't have to. And we don't have to.

So in other words, you think he's worth the contract we gave him?

No but his salary isnt the problem. Even with his salary the suns arent at the salary floor this season. I dont see them being able to land a max guy this summer even if they have the room. With how many guys they will have on the roster next year that need minutes its not a good idea to add multiple vet mid level role players. Maybe add one guy like that but they will have the room to do that even if they keep knight. Plus i think that salary dump move will be there for them this summer or next deadline so really no need to rush.

The counter argument is that its a move not so much to clear his salary next year but for the following two years where if they are playing better they might become a more desirable fa destination and guys like warren and booker will need new contracts. And if knight continues to suck maybe no one would take him for free.

Overall i wouldn't be upset if they dumped him but i also wont cry if they don't.

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[AtheJ415]

I think you keep Knight on the off chance you do end up trading Bledsoe. If he started, he would probably put up numbers. A hot month or so would rejuvinate his trade value.

I get moving him if we were trying to win now, or needed the cap space this offseason, but we don't. Trading him for an expiring makes no sense to me, and his cap % goes down with every year of the increasing cap.

[AtheJ415]

I think he's a top 5 player, but it's hard to fit him with Bender/Chriss unless you're convinced Bender can defend 3s and Chriss 4s/5s. I think Dallas grabs him as the heir to Dirk. Carlisle knows how to utilize and hide a shooting big with poor defense.

If you had access to Markkanen, Chriss and Bender but could only keep one of them, which one would you choose? I like Bender a lot and have been pleased by the improvement Chriss has shown but I'd be confident with the choice of Lauri.

If they were all in the draft last season, I think I'd be most confident in selecting Markannen, as he would have demonstrated the most skill. But, we have Bender and Chriss and I think there are better additions to those two than Markannen. I would take him if Ball/Jackson/Fultz/Tatum were gone.

I'd pick Bender. His defense is crazy and he has a chance to develop offensively beyond just being a shooter. His passing is also above what Lauri does, and he has the ballhandling to lead the break--rare for a 7 footer.

Chriss and Lauri would be a tough call for me. Chriss is more athletic and raw, thus maybe has more upside. I like Lauri a lot though and think he will be a better player next year than Chriss will be in his 2nd year. I just am not sure 5-6 years from now that Chriss won't be better than Lauri due to athleticism.

[Saberestar]

I saw that here:
https://theringer.com/the-trade-deadline-mailbag-3c2e2444e604#.lr2fpgog8

probably just wishful thinking by Simmons

Yeah id do pj for johnson in a heartbeat but cant see Detroit doing that. Now say the pistons wanted to clear a little salary maybe something like johnson and either boban or baynes for pj might work. Hell id probably be willing to throw in the suns 2017 2nd rounder if needed and thats not a throw away pick since it should be in the high 30s.

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I'm not sure Marcus and PJ like each other, not that SVG would care.

How about Bill Simmons' other trade?

Phoenix trades Brandon Knight to Brooklyn for Randy Foye’s expiring. (FYI: If I’m running Brooklyn, I am rolling the dice on as many roughly $8–12 million used-to-be-good guys as possible — they don’t have a first-round pick until 2019, why not?)

I like it. We do not want him, we do not need him. He is not a PG, he is not a SG and he is not a good defender. Probably even Foye is a better player, at least he is smarter.

I think that trade is a realistic one and we free minutes for Ulis and next year's pick.

[Asif16]

Sully + 1st for Tucker + 2nd?

Good? Bad?

Yall can have bruno to if you want

[TeamTragic]

I really dislike Knight. Though I don't recommend a knee jerk reaction. If I was McD I would try and help Brooklyn win more games without a doubt.

Sully + 1st for Tucker + 2nd?

Good? Bad?

Yall can have bruno to if you want

Not a bad offer. I would say yes.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Sully + 1st for Tucker + 2nd?

Good? Bad?

Yall can have bruno to if you want

Seems fair I'd do it.


From the suns perspective they move up 10 spots in the draft and removing tucker both helps the tank and lets you give some minutes to jones. Id cut sully and use that roster spot on some dleague flyer.
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[LukasBMW]

Sully + 1st for Tucker + 2nd?

Good? Bad?

Yall can have bruno to if you want

Tucker and a 2nd for Sully a 1st and Bruno?

Seems like a deal to me.

[Asif16]

Sully + 1st for Tucker + 2nd?

Good? Bad?

Yall can have bruno to if you want

Tucker and a 2nd for Sully a 1st and Bruno?

Seems like a deal to me.

Actually dont kno about bruno. I put him in there assuming you guys might not like the original trade.

But is Sully + 1st for Tucker + 2nd good?

[bwgood77]

The way I see it is, you don't sell low if you don't have to. And we don't have to.

So in other words, you think he's worth the contract we gave him?

No but his salary isnt the problem. Even with his salary the suns arent at the salary floor this season. I dont see them being able to land a max guy this summer even if they have the room. With how many guys they will have on the roster next year that need minutes its not a good idea to add multiple vet mid level role players. Maybe add one guy like that but they will have the room to do that even if they keep knight. Plus i think that salary dump move will be there for them this summer or next deadline so really no need to rush.

The counter argument is that its a move not so much to clear his salary next year but for the following two years where if they are playing better they might become a more desirable fa destination and guys like warren and booker will need new contracts. And if knight continues to suck maybe no one would take him for free.

Overall i wouldn't be upset if they dumped him but i also wont cry if they don't.

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I know they don't have to get rid of him but you can always absorb some players with cap space and potentially pick up assets in the process if someone needs to get rid of salary after recruiting a free agent.

But I was just asking cosmo because it sounded like he thought he had value which would indicate he thinks his level of play exceeds what he is paid and he is therefore something another team would consider an asset. I consider him a liability, where what he is owed exceeds what he is worth as a player.

[bwgood77]

Sully + 1st for Tucker + 2nd?

Good? Bad?

Yall can have bruno to if you want

He was drafted, what 3 years ago (Bruno), so that means he's only 1 year away now right? And he takes pictures with realgm'ers who are dating other realgm'ers sisters, correct?