Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[Blonde]

I prefer to sign Len to a 2 year deal. We get more time to evaluate him until Chandler expires with no future commitment. If he pans out then I'd be happy to pay him at the end of that period, or let him walk if he still sucks. No pressure on us. Williams should be kept for a reasonable price as well, and I feel more comfortable giving him 4 years than Len.

We desperately need a C with some range in his game, whether that ends up being Chriss, Bender, or someone else I am not sure.

[jredsaz]

Yeah, who needs a point guard?

I don't think you need a traditional PG. I think you need multiple guys who can handle the ball and initiate the offense. Jackson and Booker have that in their game. Bender is advertised to have that in his game.

It's why I like Griffin's fit on the team. He is a facilitator. I would love to see him play with a less ball dominant point guard.

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He'll be playing with a much less talented passing and more ball dominant guard in Booker.

Outside of Lebron and maybe Wall, Chris Paul is probably the best facilitator Griffin could play with.

I agree. Paul is the primary facilitator and dominates that role. I would like to see Griffin be handed the keys more often.

The 14-15 playoffs showed what he can do as a playmaker with Paul out. Griffin had that team up 3-1 and the more CP3 played the worse Blake got. Clips lost the series.

I love CP3 as a basketball player, don't get me wrong. But I don't feel like he and Blake compliment each other very much. I don't think Jordan and Blake compliment each other very well either.

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[Zelaznyrules]

I prefer to sign Len to a 2 year deal. We get more time to evaluate him until Chandler expires

Tyson is old, I'm not sure he's that old.

But I agree, if Len will take a 2 year deal that would let us part ways comfortably once we draft Ayton, Bamba or Williams next season.

[DaleyBlind]

What are the dates for
- re signing our own players
- signing Free agents

[carey]

What are the dates for
- re signing our own players
- signing Free agents

July 1 — Official start of 2017/18 league year; July moratorium begins. Free agents can begin reaching verbal agreements with teams.

July 6 — July moratorium ends (11:00am CT); teams can begin officially signing players and making trades.

July 13 — Last day for teams to unilaterally withdraw qualifying offers to restricted free agents.

July 15 — Last day for teams to issue required tenders to unsigned first-round picks; those players become free agents on July 16 if not tendered.

August 31 — Last day teams may waive players and apply the stretch provision to their 2017/18 salaries.

September 5 — Last day for teams to issue required tenders to unsigned second-round picks; those players become free agents on September 6 if not tendered.

[lilfishi22]

Bit OT but is this real life?

Watch on YouTube

[Qwigglez]

Would never want Beverly. I don't like Pg's that can't shoot.
As far as the Irving rumor or supposed trade that was suppose to go down. I am glad it didn't go down. If instead we gave up the 2 Miami picks for Irving then I would have been all over it. Irving has the best handles in the NBA, and contrary to a lot of others opinions I feel he can distribute the ball better than his stats indicate. He can hit the 3 ball, he can attack the basket, and he basically looks like a modern AI IMO. Probably not what a lot of people like, but I'm a fan of his game.
Again, if we were able to keep Booker/Jackson/Bender/Chriss I would be down for trading for Irving.

What are you talking about can't shoot? Beverley shot 38% from 3 this year and 40% the year before. That's why I can't believe they'd let him go and think he'd be perfect. He'd immediately be our best shooter and defender.

His overall FG% is terrible. Plus he doesn't fit the timeline that everyone is so worried about. I'd rather just have Ulis run PG.

[Qwigglez]

Spoiler:

I didnt want to create a new thread just for this, so im putting it in here:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nba-haters-ball/

The NBA Haters’ Ball
Most blown dunks? Worst defender? The 2016-17 NBA season’s most dubious achievements.

MOST OVER-AMBITIOUS DUNKER
Marquese Chriss, Phoenix Suns

The missed dunk is one of the more universal plays in basketball. In a split-second, it has a neat little narrative arc: the audacity to leap in defiance of gravity and the instant comeuppance. Some players experience this more than others. Marquese Chriss experiences it more than anyone.

Chriss missed 26 dunks this season, four more than second-place DeAndre Jordan … on 146 fewer attempts. Chriss’s 79.8 shooting percentage on dunks is the worst mark Basketball Reference has on record for any player who tried at least 100 dunks in a season.

Watch on YouTube

Not all missed dunks are of equal difficulty, of course. Dwyane Wade getting stuffed by the bottom of the rim in a playoff game is not the same as Chriss blowing in-traffic NBA Jam dunks. But there’s a certain charm to Chriss’s misses, like he knows they aren’t “all worth two points” and he’s determined to collect the difference, even at the cost of the two points.

Rookies make rookie mistakes. A lot of those were on lobs that had a very slim chance of going in in the first place. Just need to teach him it's okay to bring the ball back down and then another hop to dunk it.

[lilfishi22]

Seems to be a lot of lob attempts too. No choice but for him to go up and try and put it in.

The clip of his blown dunks is funny though

[NBA Fiend]

Kyrie Irving, not Kevin Love would have been headed to Phoenix if Gilbert would have gotten James assurance that he would not be leaving next year. But James wouldn't commit. Bledsoe/4 for Irving.

https://clutchpoints.com/kyrie-irving-almost-traded-suns-potential-paul-george-cavs-trade/

Something like this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9nhdr24

Bledsoe/Jackson for Irving. I didn't think McD was after Love. It looks like the only team that would trade for him is Denver and that is contingent on them missing out on Milsap.

[King4Day]

Kyrie Irving, not Kevin Love would have been headed to Phoenix if Gilbert would have gotten James assurance that he would not be leaving next year. But James wouldn't commit. Bledsoe/4 for Irving.

https://clutchpoints.com/kyrie-irving-almost-traded-suns-potential-paul-george-cavs-trade/

Something like this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9nhdr24

Bledsoe/Jackson for Irving. I didn't think McD was after Love. It looks like the only team that would trade for him is Denver and that is contingent on them missing out on Milsap.

I'd still rather run with what we have but Irving would have been an easier pill to swallow had that deal gone through. Not Love though.

[m1chal]

Bled/JJ for Irving is meh to me, I'm glad it didn't happen.

[King4Day]

Bit OT but is this real life?

Watch on YouTube

This was hard to watch. But he's smart. Tunes non bball fans into his gear. He basically stole the segment. Miz is usually very good at mic control but there wasn't much he could do when Lavar spoke over him.

[bwgood77]

Would never want Beverly. I don't like Pg's that can't shoot.
As far as the Irving rumor or supposed trade that was suppose to go down. I am glad it didn't go down. If instead we gave up the 2 Miami picks for Irving then I would have been all over it. Irving has the best handles in the NBA, and contrary to a lot of others opinions I feel he can distribute the ball better than his stats indicate. He can hit the 3 ball, he can attack the basket, and he basically looks like a modern AI IMO. Probably not what a lot of people like, but I'm a fan of his game.
Again, if we were able to keep Booker/Jackson/Bender/Chriss I would be down for trading for Irving.

What are you talking about can't shoot? Beverley shot 38% from 3 this year and 40% the year before. That's why I can't believe they'd let him go and think he'd be perfect. He'd immediately be our best shooter and defender.

His overall FG% is terrible. Plus he doesn't fit the timeline that everyone is so worried about. I'd rather just have Ulis run PG.

That's because in Houston you shoot such a high % of 3s. He shot 38.2% from 3 and 46% from 2 for an avg of 42%..so half his shots are 3s. The year before over 47% from 3 and 40% from 2 so 43.4% overall. I mean heck, that's better than Booker, who shot 44.7% from 2 and 36.3% from 3, for an average of 42.3%, overall .3% Booker had a .3% better avg only because he shot a higher ratio of 2s.

I'm not saying he start, but McD has talked about bringing in a vet pg like Calderon. I'd rather have Beverley who plays hard nosed D and hits 3s. Starting Ulis is fine.

[bwgood77]

I prefer to sign Len to a 2 year deal. We get more time to evaluate him until Chandler expires with no future commitment. If he pans out then I'd be happy to pay him at the end of that period, or let him walk if he still sucks. No pressure on us. Williams should be kept for a reasonable price as well, and I feel more comfortable giving him 4 years than Len.

We desperately need a C with some range in his game, whether that ends up being Chriss, Bender, or someone else I am not sure.

Yeah, 2 years $7 million a year, team option (or even less if he gets no deal in FA..if he gets a big deal, perhaps let him walk). Williams if we want him, less than that. Try and find a take for Chandler later if we need cap space. As long as they make less than Chandler combined I don't see a problem. McD has never mentioned either in long term plans or core but that, could be for 2 reasons....they are RFAs and they are not really in long term plans/and or are not just a major part of core. Eventually if we either just run with Chriss/Bender at front court spots and draft another C so he's on a rookie contract...if Len doesn't keep improving and keep Williams as back up.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Seems like we're not keen to pay Bledsoe $170m if all his rumours are correct.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I hope they don't sign Calderon. He does nothing for me and I would rather they just bring Price back to sit on the bench and coach guys up.

[RunDogGun]

Spoiler:

I didnt want to create a new thread just for this, so im putting it in here:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nba-haters-ball/

The NBA Haters’ Ball
Most blown dunks? Worst defender? The 2016-17 NBA season’s most dubious achievements.

MOST OVER-AMBITIOUS DUNKER
Marquese Chriss, Phoenix Suns

The missed dunk is one of the more universal plays in basketball. In a split-second, it has a neat little narrative arc: the audacity to leap in defiance of gravity and the instant comeuppance. Some players experience this more than others. Marquese Chriss experiences it more than anyone.

Chriss missed 26 dunks this season, four more than second-place DeAndre Jordan … on 146 fewer attempts. Chriss’s 79.8 shooting percentage on dunks is the worst mark Basketball Reference has on record for any player who tried at least 100 dunks in a season.

Watch on YouTube

Not all missed dunks are of equal difficulty, of course. Dwyane Wade getting stuffed by the bottom of the rim in a playoff game is not the same as Chriss blowing in-traffic NBA Jam dunks. But there’s a certain charm to Chriss’s misses, like he knows they aren’t “all worth two points” and he’s determined to collect the difference, even at the cost of the two points.

Rookies make rookie mistakes. A lot of those were on lobs that had a very slim chance of going in in the first place. Just need to teach him it's okay to bring the ball back down and then another hop to dunk it.

Yep, some of those were just bad passes. However, if he calls for the ball, he needs to make sure he has good control of the ball, and know where to jump to finish the dunk.

[gaspar]

Well with Rubio what you get is a guy that doesn't dominate the ball. He moves it and gets it to the right guy at the right time. His usage was only 17% compared to Bledsoe's 28%.

You don't really want the ball in Booker's hands too much more as a primary ball handler because we need to get other guys involved. And while at times he showed he is a capable passer, he still averaged 3.1 turnovers per game compared to 3.4 assists. You try to play like Kobe or Melo in this day and age it doesn't work with all the great ball movement and open looks teams like the Warriors, Spurs and Rockets get....and Clips when they are healthy.

I don't think you understand what usage rate stat means. Rubio absolutely dominates the ball. Only 5 players in the league held the ball in their hands more than Rubio last year (7.5 min per game): Westbrook, Wall, Harden, Kemba and Lillard. Bledsoe was 10th at 6.7 min.

I'm not talking time of possession. Is that what you thought usage meant? I'm talking rate of you ending the possession with a shot (or getting to the line because a shot) or turning it over. Rubio more often gets it in other people's hands and facilitates more. I don't necessarily want Rubio but I think he'd definitely do a better job in getting more people involved while turning it over and shooting it himself far less.

Well, you said " Rubio is a guy that doesn't dominate the ball", which is clearly not true, at all.

[gaspar]

I hope they don't sign Calderon. He does nothing for me and I would rather they just bring Price back to sit on the bench and coach guys up.

Calderon? Where did that come from?