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jcsunsfan wrote:bwgood77 wrote:kennydorglas wrote:I wonder if they'll hire Fizdale right away
They've already named one of the assistants interim.
Not happy. Kidd was our best hope for getting that pick.
cosmofizzo wrote:hollywood6964 wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Not to get too off topic but I see this negative option on todays game by some former players, fans, and media and have some takes on this.
The rough and tumble era of the 90's with these low scoring physical games is kind of an anomaly in basketball history. From the ABA days through the showtime lakers basketball was mostly a fast high scoring game. Heck they played less defense then than they do now.
Why was it this way? A number of factors came into play.
Teams like the Knicks figured out they could muck it up and win so others copied it. Teams pushed the limits of what they were allowed to do hand-checking on the perimeter (something that would have been a foul back in the day).
This was also just a great age for skilled 7 footers; people sometime lose sight of just how rare it is for a human being to be 7 foot tall, thick and coordinated. This rarity cause some peaks and valleys in the pool of these guys that era had some great ones like Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Mutombo, Shaq, Duncan. These guys would still dominate today. Just a little bad luck has probably contributed to the decline in this era. Say Odom stays healthy and Howard learned to develop a post game and hell even Boogie probably hasn't reached his ceiling because of his attitude issues. I do think we could see another wave of these guys at some point, maybe Ayton will be the start of it. Bottom line because of the scarcity of humans with these traits there won't always be a consistent talent pool.
On the flip side there is a much bigger and consistent talent pool of guys 6'8 and shorter. Especially now with the game being more global and just general population growth there a huge pool of these guys. That pool in the late 80's and 90's got hurt a bit by guys like Reggie Lewis, Benji Wilson, Len Bias, and Hank Gathers all passing away and others in that era never reaching their potential because of the cocaine problems of that era. Those guys might have infused the game with ultra talented multi dimensional players.
The league changing the hand checking rule has had an impact but I think it was the right call because the game was becoming less entertaining.
Two big changes we do see are that teams figured out that hitting 33% of 3's is just as good as hitting 50% from 2 so they shoot more of them. The other thing is teams play more small ball than ever. They do this because they want to put their best players on the floor there just aren't enough big men skilled enough to punish them for doing it. The mediocre unskilled big man is becoming obsolete.
I personally don't agree.
80s had just as much physicality, if not more.
Also, the basic arithmetic of 3s vs 2s could not have been lost on people prior to 2005.
Further, it's just not the hand check rule, it started before that. But even if you started right at that point, the game wasn't called nearly as tight as it is now when they first changed the rule. It took a long time of turning that screw to get to this point.
Another thing, illegal defense helped big men, zone does not, especially coupled with hand check rule....and even moreso with the game being called so damned tight.
There more, but that's enough coupled with my last post. I stand by it. It's a play preference, what it comes down to, I suppose, n I just prefer past eras, by far.
Everyone remembers those 92-95 Suns teams fondly, but few recollect just how boring it was to watch the Suns in 95-96. Barkley holding the ball for 10 seconds, backing down, backing down, forcing the contact and drawing the foul. Spent half the game at the line.
If those were the good ol' days, you can keep 'em.
cosmofizzo wrote:Everyone remembers those 92-95 Suns teams fondly, but few recollect just how boring it was to watch the Suns in 95-96. Barkley holding the ball for 10 seconds, backing down, backing down, forcing the contact and drawing the foul. Spent half the game at the line.
If those were the good ol' days, you can keep 'em.
sunsbum wrote:Bledsoe is a proven loser. I can't even believe we got a mid first for him.
GoranTragic wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the issue. Leonard doesn't agree with the Spurs training staff?
Phoenix has made a franchise record 70 3-pointers over the past five games, a shooting spurt Triano connects to the 500 3-pointers the players have to make each week in practices and shootarounds.
“As we get better individually as players and spend more time shooting the ball we’re going to become better shooters,” Triano said. “We want to expand our game to the 3-point line. I know as a team we’re still 29th percentage wise but that’s one thing we challenged all of our players, to shoot the ball more and be better at it.
“I think the best shooters in the game have always shot the ball more than other people. Young players haven’t been around long enough to do that. That’s one of the reasons we’ve asked them to shoot the ball more to get to that 10,000 mark (of repetitions) a lot earlier in their career.”
Saberestar wrote:Phoenix has made a franchise record 70 3-pointers over the past five games, a shooting spurt Triano connects to the 500 3-pointers the players have to make each week in practices and shootarounds.
“As we get better individually as players and spend more time shooting the ball we’re going to become better shooters,” Triano said. “We want to expand our game to the 3-point line. I know as a team we’re still 29th percentage wise but that’s one thing we challenged all of our players, to shoot the ball more and be better at it.
“I think the best shooters in the game have always shot the ball more than other people. Young players haven’t been around long enough to do that. That’s one of the reasons we’ve asked them to shoot the ball more to get to that 10,000 mark (of repetitions) a lot earlier in their career.”
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/01/22/game-day-no-timetable-suns-marquese-chriss-return/1051568001/
Good to know that we are working hard to improve our shooting.
darealjuice wrote:Bledsoe's helped get 2 coaches fired this season by not making his team perform to expectations
dremill24 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:NavLDO wrote:
It doesn't matter whether he signs with us or the Pels...same money...
And, as I already showed in another post, good luck, Pels...
I don't know about that. He wasn't eligble for the designated player max because he was traded from the team that drafted him but he could still get the max that can be offered by a team that's holding his current contract. He can get the 5 year max with the higher raises that he can't get from the open market. Am I wrong on this?
No, you’re right. His max money with Kings > with Pels > with anyone else (barring S&T).
Nav is also putting some hard cap number on the Pels that would only exist if the Pels wanted to be hard capped (making a specific transaction type and hitting the luxury tax apron’s “hard cap”).
Kerrsed wrote:Sooooo...that line-up change is Chandler going to the bench and Monroe starting.
Kerrsed wrote:Sooooo...that line-up change is Chandler going to the bench and Monroe starting.
Saberestar wrote:Phoenix has made a franchise record 70 3-pointers over the past five games, a shooting spurt Triano connects to the 500 3-pointers the players have to make each week in practices and shootarounds.
“As we get better individually as players and spend more time shooting the ball we’re going to become better shooters,” Triano said. “We want to expand our game to the 3-point line. I know as a team we’re still 29th percentage wise but that’s one thing we challenged all of our players, to shoot the ball more and be better at it.
“I think the best shooters in the game have always shot the ball more than other people. Young players haven’t been around long enough to do that. That’s one of the reasons we’ve asked them to shoot the ball more to get to that 10,000 mark (of repetitions) a lot earlier in their career.”
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/01/22/game-day-no-timetable-suns-marquese-chriss-return/1051568001/
Good to know that we are working hard to improve our shooting.
common theme that appears throughout Outliers is the "10,000-Hour Rule", based on a study by Anders Ericsson. Gladwell claims that greatness requires enormous time, using the source of The Beatles' musical talents and Gates' computer savvy as examples.[4] The Beatles performed live in Hamburg, Germany over 1,200 times from 1960 to 1964, amassing more than 10,000 hours of playing time, therefore meeting the 10,000-Hour Rule. Gladwell asserts that all of the time The Beatles spent performing shaped their talent, and quotes Beatles' biographer Philip Norman as saying, "So by the time they returned to England from Hamburg, Germany, 'they sounded like no one else. It was the making of them.'"[4] Gates met the 10,000-Hour Rule when he gained access to a high school computer in 1968 at the age of 13, and spent 10,000 hours programming on it.[4]
bwgood77 wrote:kennydorglas wrote:I wonder if they'll hire Fizdale right away
They've already named one of the assistants interim.
SideSwipe wrote:Kerrsed wrote:Sooooo...that line-up change is Chandler going to the bench and Monroe starting.
I guess this means we won't be seeing the Booker, Reed, Jackson, Warren, Len starting lineup I conjured up in my mind, then.
Interesting we will be playing MIL tonight right after the Kidd firing. Should be good to watch.
bwgood77 wrote:Saberestar wrote:Phoenix has made a franchise record 70 3-pointers over the past five games, a shooting spurt Triano connects to the 500 3-pointers the players have to make each week in practices and shootarounds.
“As we get better individually as players and spend more time shooting the ball we’re going to become better shooters,” Triano said. “We want to expand our game to the 3-point line. I know as a team we’re still 29th percentage wise but that’s one thing we challenged all of our players, to shoot the ball more and be better at it.
“I think the best shooters in the game have always shot the ball more than other people. Young players haven’t been around long enough to do that. That’s one of the reasons we’ve asked them to shoot the ball more to get to that 10,000 mark (of repetitions) a lot earlier in their career.”
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/01/22/game-day-no-timetable-suns-marquese-chriss-return/1051568001/
Good to know that we are working hard to improve our shooting.
Every time I read about something Triano is doing I love it. Sounds like Triano has read Malcolm Gladwell's book "Outliers" which outlines keys to success, and is a very popular book.common theme that appears throughout Outliers is the "10,000-Hour Rule", based on a study by Anders Ericsson. Gladwell claims that greatness requires enormous time, using the source of The Beatles' musical talents and Gates' computer savvy as examples.[4] The Beatles performed live in Hamburg, Germany over 1,200 times from 1960 to 1964, amassing more than 10,000 hours of playing time, therefore meeting the 10,000-Hour Rule. Gladwell asserts that all of the time The Beatles spent performing shaped their talent, and quotes Beatles' biographer Philip Norman as saying, "So by the time they returned to England from Hamburg, Germany, 'they sounded like no one else. It was the making of them.'"[4] Gates met the 10,000-Hour Rule when he gained access to a high school computer in 1968 at the age of 13, and spent 10,000 hours programming on it.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book)
Even though just taking a lot of shots seems simple, I think forcing guys like Warren, Jackson, Chriss and Bender, and well, everyone to have to put up that many shots, is important in today's NBA.
