2021 Draft

[saintEscaton]

I think the guy who has played in 31 NBA playoff games will be more useful to us in the playoffs than the 40th pick in the 2021 draft. Yes. 100%.

Pretty sure Shamet is the far superior shooter than Galloway

Over the course of their careers yes Shamet is the better shooter, but because Galloway shot better on 85 attempts and Queta is the missing piece to our championship dreams, I don't have an argument. *shrug*

I think basic laws of logic and objectivity defy RunDog's perspective. He just wants his wrong opinion to be validated even when no one agrees with him. My takes are polarizing and hot because they are all anti-homer and unbiased I'm never blindly in love with any of our players like I was during SSOL era.

[RunDogGun]

I think the guy who has played in 31 NBA playoff games will be more useful to us in the playoffs than the 40th pick in the 2021 draft. Yes. 100%.

Pretty sure Shamet is the far superior shooter than Galloway

Over the course of their careers yes Shamet is the better shooter, but because Galloway shot better on 85 attempts and Queta is the missing piece to our championship dreams, I don't have an argument. *shrug*

Ah, its not my fault you didn't have the facts on your side of the argument.

Its ok, you can admit that Galloway shot better in every category last year compared to Shamet. Its just a fact. Damn, now you made me think of how good Galloway might have been had he played with Durant, Irving, and Harden. Maybe he would have gotten more open shots.

[bwgood77]

Technically, we do have better shooters than just Galloway. But really quickly, you don't think we could have used a player like Queta during the playoffs, more than say a guy who shoots worse than Galloway?

I think the guy who has played in 31 NBA playoff games will be more useful to us in the playoffs than the 40th pick in the 2021 draft. Yes. 100%.

Pretty sure Shamet is the far superior shooter than Galloway

No, Galloway was better last year slightly so he is better despite the lower volume. Sterling Brown, Anfernee Simons and Georges Niang are better shooters than Steph Curry too because they shot better from 3 last year.

[Barkley6]

Technically, we do have better shooters than just Galloway. But really quickly, you don't think we could have used a player like Queta during the playoffs, more than say a guy who shoots worse than Galloway?

I think the guy who has played in 31 NBA playoff games will be more useful to us in the playoffs than the 40th pick in the 2021 draft. Yes. 100%.

Ok, I want to see you put Shamet on Giannis, and then maybe change your mind on that playoff game thing. Or better yet, maybe we can find a few players that have played in a ton of playoff games, that shoot worse than our 12th man, and hope that their experience can rebound and defend. We didn't need Shamet and his "shooting". We already have that. We need cheap long term contracts from players who fill needs we have. And we didn't trade the 40th pick, we traded the 29th pick. We didn't get back the 40th pick in the trade, we got nothing.

So you think that putting a rookie 2nd round pick on Giannis, the 2 time MVP, Finals MVP, would have made a difference?! Queta is not the answer. Noel is. Nerlens Noel. A free agent who protects the rim at a very high rate. A guy who is a proven NBA center.

Not a guy who went in the second round of the 2021 NBA draft. If he was truly the Giannis stopper you think he is, why did the 76ers, Hawks, Nets, and Knicks (all the teams that will be meeting Giannis in the playoffs) pass on him?

Shamet is a better player than Carter, Galloway or Moore are at this stage in their careers, AND he has higher upside than all of them.

[RunDogGun]

I guess I should be glad we didn't trade for Mike James or Tyler Johnson. Always look on the bright side.

[Barkley6]

I think the guy who has played in 31 NBA playoff games will be more useful to us in the playoffs than the 40th pick in the 2021 draft. Yes. 100%.

Pretty sure Shamet is the far superior shooter than Galloway

No, Galloway was better last year slightly so he is better despite the lower volume. Sterling Brown, Anfernee Simons and Georges Niang are better shooters than Steph Curry too because they shot better from 3 last year.

Why did we trade for Chris Paul when Ty Jerome is a FAR better shooter, and MUCH younger, and on a team controlled rookie contract. James Jones, Executive of the Year? My ass!

[RunDogGun]

I think the guy who has played in 31 NBA playoff games will be more useful to us in the playoffs than the 40th pick in the 2021 draft. Yes. 100%.

Ok, I want to see you put Shamet on Giannis, and then maybe change your mind on that playoff game thing. Or better yet, maybe we can find a few players that have played in a ton of playoff games, that shoot worse than our 12th man, and hope that their experience can rebound and defend. We didn't need Shamet and his "shooting". We already have that. We need cheap long term contracts from players who fill needs we have. And we didn't trade the 40th pick, we traded the 29th pick. We didn't get back the 40th pick in the trade, we got nothing.

So you think that putting a rookie 2nd round pick on Giannis, the 2 time MVP, Finals MVP, would have made a difference?! Queta is not the answer. Noel is. Nerlens Noel. A free agent who protects the rim at a very high rate. A guy who is a proven NBA center.

Not a guy who went in the second round of the 2021 NBA draft. If he was truly the Giannis stopper you think he is, why did the 76ers, Hawks, Nets, and Knicks (all the teams that will be meeting Giannis in the playoffs) pass on him?

Shamet is a better player than Carter, Galloway or Moore are at this stage in their careers, AND he has higher upside than all of them.

I would put Queta on Giannis before I put Shamet on him. We don't have Noel, so we can't use him as an answer. Nor do I feel confident that our offer will be better than another team's offer. We could have drafted Queta with our own pick, we didn't have to hope we would somehow get him as a FA.

And I suggested we fix the massive problem we had, which was lack of size when Ayton sat. Shamet does not fix that problem, nor even remotely addresses it. Is this really a discussion? The Nets used our pick to draft Sharpe, a big, so you sort of killed your argument before you even started it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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[Barkley6]

Ok, I want to see you put Shamet on Giannis, and then maybe change your mind on that playoff game thing. Or better yet, maybe we can find a few players that have played in a ton of playoff games, that shoot worse than our 12th man, and hope that their experience can rebound and defend. We didn't need Shamet and his "shooting". We already have that. We need cheap long term contracts from players who fill needs we have. And we didn't trade the 40th pick, we traded the 29th pick. We didn't get back the 40th pick in the trade, we got nothing.

So you think that putting a rookie 2nd round pick on Giannis, the 2 time MVP, Finals MVP, would have made a difference?! Queta is not the answer. Noel is. Nerlens Noel. A free agent who protects the rim at a very high rate. A guy who is a proven NBA center.

Not a guy who went in the second round of the 2021 NBA draft. If he was truly the Giannis stopper you think he is, why did the 76ers, Hawks, Nets, and Knicks (all the teams that will be meeting Giannis in the playoffs) pass on him?

Shamet is a better player than Carter, Galloway or Moore are at this stage in their careers, AND he has higher upside than all of them.

I would put Queta on Giannis before I put Shamet on him. We don't have Noel, so we can't use him as an answer. Nor do I feel confident that our offer will be better than another team's offer. We could have drafted Queta with our own pick, we didn't have to hope we would somehow get him as a FA.

And I suggested we fix the massive problem we had, which was lack of size when Ayton sat. Shamet does not fix that problem, nor even remotely addresses it. Is this really a discussion? The Nets used our pick to draft Sharpe, a big, so you sort of killed your argument before you even started it.

The point I was making was that the draft isn't the only or the best way to address a weakness in your roster. And you really shouldn't be drafting for need at #29. The answer to our size problem wasn't in the late first of this draft. At least not for the 2021-22 season. That's a spot that we were always going to address in free agency.

[RunDogGun]

Pretty sure Shamet is the far superior shooter than Galloway

No, Galloway was better last year slightly so he is better despite the lower volume. Sterling Brown, Anfernee Simons and Georges Niang are better shooters than Steph Curry too because they shot better from 3 last year.

Why did we trade for Chris Paul when Ty Jerome is a FAR better shooter, and MUCH younger, and on a team controlled rookie contract. James Jones, Executive of the Year? My ass!

How old are you?

It was a bad trade. We gave up a draft pick that could have been used, for a guy we don't need. And if your comment is that there are better shooters than Curry, and they are, then guess what, you can actually claim facts that are true. It doesn't mean you get to imply something else. But I do love how you imply that Shamet is worse because he takes more shots. Damn, if he would just shoot less, maybe he could shoot as well as Galloway, a 12th man on the Suns' 2020-2021 team.

[RunDogGun]

The point I was making was that the draft isn't the only or the best way to address a weakness in your roster. And you really shouldn't be drafting for need at #29. The answer to our size problem wasn't in the late first of this draft. At least not for the 2021-22 season. That's a spot that we were always going to address in free agency.

I totally agree that the draft isn't the only way to address our needs, but we could have addressed a need in this draft, we chose to trade it for guy we don't really need. And now we are forced to address it in FA or another trade, which we could end up with Frank the Tank as our backup big....again.

And we should have addressed the need before the playoffs even started, so I am still concerned that we might miss out on addressing it early. Monty liked Saric, and he just wasn't very good this past year.

[saintEscaton]

No, Galloway was better last year slightly so he is better despite the lower volume. Sterling Brown, Anfernee Simons and Georges Niang are better shooters than Steph Curry too because they shot better from 3 last year.

Why did we trade for Chris Paul when Ty Jerome is a FAR better shooter, and MUCH younger, and on a team controlled rookie contract. James Jones, Executive of the Year? My ass!

How old are you?

It was a bad trade. We gave up a draft pick that could have been used, for a guy we don't need. And if your comment is that there are better shooters than Curry, and they are, then guess what, you can actually claim facts that are true. It doesn't mean you get to imply something else. But I do love how you imply that Shamet is worse because he takes more shots. Damn, if he would just shoot less, maybe he could shoot as well as Galloway, a 12th man on the Suns' 2020-2021 team.

RunDog, don't you understand the basic tradeoff/sacrifice between shot volume and shot efficiency/field goal percentage? Of course you take the sharpshooting marksman Shamet who can stroke it from deep on a high clip with a blistering percentage than a low sample 12th man who's one year of good output could have been a flukey aberration and not replicable. Shamet is undeniably an upgrade over Galloway by a considerable margin. I would still liked to have kept the 29th pick to net us Ayo, Butler or Queta.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Spoiler:

Best time for us to draft a player is when we have a great culture. We have a great culture, and decide to skip this draft to get a guy that is a taller version of Galloway?

And next year's draft as well too.
So next season if we don't extend Shamets' qualifying offer, Then we just basically dumped
Carter and a (cost controlled asset) pick for 5 million in savings? How would the trade be viewed then with reduced depth and no incoming young cost controlled talent ( depth) to surround our expensive core. Would we have not shot ourselves in the foot and basically taken a step back in interest of Sarvers' bottom line?

No, we didn't save any money. Actually took on a little.

Maybe a very little this season. However, Next season, Shamets' qualifying offer is 5 million. The draft pick and Carter's 2nd yr salary combined come out to only about 5.2 million ($ 200,000) at most. However, We still dump Carter's 3rd year in the deal regardless. But if we're nitpicking. 2 million. Then yes, I'll give you that.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

And next year's draft as well too.
So next season if we don't extend Shamets' qualifying offer, Then we just basically dumped
Carter and a (cost controlled asset) pick for 5 million in savings? How would the trade be viewed then with reduced depth and no incoming young cost controlled talent ( depth) to surround our expensive core. Would we have not shot ourselves in the foot and basically taken a step back in interest of Sarvers' bottom line?

No, we didn't save any money. Actually took on a little.

Maybe a very little this season. However, Next season, Shamets' qualifying offer is 5 million. The draft pick and Carter's 2nd yr salary combined come out to only about 5.2 million ($ 200,000) at most. However, We still dump Carter's 3rd year in the deal regardless. But if we're nitpicking. 2 million. Then yes, I'll give you that.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Well.........................

Shamets' a sun now! So I'll of course accept him and hope for the best. Is he a really great shooter, Yes! Is he a subpar defender too! Yes. Could he have a big impact for our team, Yes again in theory. We'll have to wait and see how things play out this season before we can accurately determine the outcome of this trade. I can understand everyone's perspective on his shooting statistics of course. But I can also easily understand Runs' perspective as well stemming from fustration in that Monty didn't really even use Carter or Galloway in the playoffs last season. Making it hard for either player to showcase themselves, improve their value or put out production on a larger sample size as they didn't really get to play.

I guess for my part, the considerations that I have are:

- Will Shamets' production outweigh his defensive deficiencies for us?

- Will he have a big enough impact ( move the needle) for us against stronger teams in the playoffs to help carry our anticipated/ planned projectory?

- Will we extend his qualifying offer of 5 million next season? And if so, Would we match his percieved market value if he shows out. Or will he become a 1 yr rental to try and push us over the top?

As for the trade itself, I see a lot of people joking about my cost controlled asset commitments, And that's cool. But it genuinely does become important to a teams' fiscal sustainability when you have potentially multiple max contracts and will be needing a balance of low cost contracts. Especially when the reality of having a fiscally struggling owner that can't really compete with most other majority owners. I think the biggest question in this deal should be, Was adding a pick really necessary to a " Hard capped" team that has 3 immenent Supermax contracts coming soon. And no legitimate rotation time for the inclusionary player?

I agree with Run that we should've at the very least gotten back a mid to late 2nd to address positional depth at a low cost with respect to our own legitimate immenent contractual constraints. Am I warming up to him, Yes! Do I think the pick was necessary? Not really. But for now it is what it is. I'm waiting to see if we address our front court needs sufficiently! If we do that and also actually keep Shamet, Then I'll be cool with the trade.

I just don't want this to end up being a contract dump ( If he's not extended next season and matched the following season). We'll see what happens! Outside of the moment now, Cautiously optimistic again! I hope that he can be our Kennard without the injury history honestly!

[RunDogGun]

RunDog, don't you understand the basic tradeoff/sacrifice between shot volume and shot efficiency/field goal percentage? Of course you take the sharpshooting marksman Shamet who can stroke it from deep on a high clip with a blistering percentage than a low sample 12th man who's one year of good output could have been a flukey aberration and not replicable. Shamet is undeniably an upgrade over Galloway by a considerable margin. I would still liked to have kept the 29th pick to net us Ayo, Butler or Queta.

Ha, this isn't a Shamet vs Galloway argument from my stand point, it is wasting the 29th pick on a guy we don't need in Shamet. And you agree with that, because you would rather have kept the pick for a guy like Ayo, Butler, or Queta on the bench.

This was a bad trade. It is not horrible, but still bad. Now on the Nets side, they turned an ok shooter lacking defensively, for a bulldog defender, who is not great at running an offense, and a decent big in Sharpe. And they didn't lose any of the picks they had.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Spoiler:

No, we didn't save any money. Actually took on a little.

Maybe a very little this season. However, Next season, Shamets' qualifying offer is 5 million. The draft pick and Carter's 2nd yr salary combined come out to only about 5.2 million ($ 200,000) at most. However, We still dump Carter's 3rd year in the deal regardless. But if we're nitpicking. 2 million. Then yes, I'll give you that.

Shamet makes more than Carter this year and a minimum player that will likely replace the rookie slot at 29 costs more too. So it costs us more this year and yes, definitely next year if we keep Shamet.

[saintEscaton]

RunDog, don't you understand the basic tradeoff/sacrifice between shot volume and shot efficiency/field goal percentage? Of course you take the sharpshooting marksman Shamet who can stroke it from deep on a high clip with a blistering percentage than a low sample 12th man who's one year of good output could have been a flukey aberration and not replicable. Shamet is undeniably an upgrade over Galloway by a considerable margin. I would still liked to have kept the 29th pick to net us Ayo, Butler or Queta.

Ha, this isn't a Shamet vs Galloway argument from my stand point, it is wasting the 29th pick on a guy we don't need in Shamet. And you agree with that, because you would rather have kept the pick for a guy like Ayo, Butler, or Queta on the bench.

This was a bad trade. It is not horrible, but still bad. Now on the Nets side, they turned an ok shooter lacking defensively, for a bulldog defender, who is not great at running an offense, and a decent big in Sharpe. And they didn't lose any of the picks they had.

But those guys wouldn't have cracked the rotation in the playoffs and would barely sniff the court in the regular season. You can never have enough shooter and Shamet coming off the bench to spell Book will be dynamite pairing with Payne

[Ghost of Kleine]

Spoiler:

People on this board still questioning Jones and would prefer McDonough type of deals after a finals appearance ?

You really believe Javon, who I liked in the bubble, or the 29th pick will put 30pts in a game any time soon ?

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Yeah, strange. Better to get a legit guy who can play. He's not Galloway, Moore or Carter.

The biggest question for me is having to pay another guy in RFA if we want to keep him.

This is my point and concern really! His restricted free agency hits when our max contract extensions for Ayton and Bridges come due, As well as our scale increases for both Cam Johnson and Smith! Now I realize that Ssrics' and Crowders' contracts will be off the books by then, But we'll still be needing to fill those positions too! Also If the front offices secret plans for Paul involves him getting a 4th year too! All of these salaries may add up quickly.


So what if Shamet does show out and drives up his market value? Then does he become a 1 yr rental?? Do we overpay to keep him and further restrict any possible cap flexibility we might covet to make necessary roster upgrades? If we do not match, And also don't win it all or at least repeat to the finals and still lose him to a offer we're not comfortable matching, Is it still deemed a good trade in giving up that cheaper rookie scale contract that might've given us more flexibility or added cheap production to our core with a bloated payroll?

All hypotheticals I know. But also legitimate concerns for anyone concerned with the longterm viability of this team and the core.

[GetYourPHX]

I saw it addressed momentarily, but I think what the Suns are looking for with the Shamet trade is to have someone else who can handle the ball and initiate the offense. Outside of Paul, Booker, and Payne we didn't have another player on the team that proved adept at initiating last year. It seemed to really hurt us in the Bucks series.

Shamet is a shovel-ready player for taking on that role.