The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[TeamTragic]

I would rather trade KD back to the Nets but even that deal is not great.

Spurs would offer the best deal but I don't see them pursuing KD.

[BobbieL]

I get why Ishbia wants to stretch him - it saves him a LOT of money not paying - so if that is the choice over a bad trade using draft picks - I am good with it

Lesser of two evils … he needs to go

It truly is the lesser of two evils
And I think getting out the lux tax saves Mat Ishbia a lot of money. If he goes from $53 to 19 - thats a net $34 and I am sure that would get them under an apron level where they are not taxed as high. Could be worth $100m for the next two years... So I would rather that happen than attach a pick to get back some terrible contract. I mean Duncan Robinson and Rozier - thats one thing as both are expiring. But not that the Bulls would do it but PWill is signed for four more years

[KdoubleDees23]

My problem with a Beal trade is two fold since his contract is terrible:
1) what player(s) are you bringing back and how bad are their contracts. Though if they are broken up instead one contract at $53m you get three that total $53

2) What draft capital will you have to pay just to take on those crappy contracts

I get why Ishbia wants to stretch him - it saves him a LOT of money not paying - so if that is the choice over a bad trade using draft picks - I am good with it
My preference, since its not my money - see if he would take between $95-100m - buy him out and in two years you have him off the books

I think the best thing would be to convince Beal to lead the bench team and be the 6th man, and stretch his contract.

How can Beal be both the 6th man and stretch

We stretch his contract and he stays on the team and accepts a role as 6th man.

[bullsaficianado]

I would rather trade KD back to the Nets but even that deal is not great.

Spurs would offer the best deal but I don't see them pursuing KD.

I think the Spurs will pursue KD but they probably have their sights more on Giannis.

[thamadkant]

If Ishiba does buy out Beal, I hope Spurs or Rockets or another playoff bound team pick him up and he plays well.

Suns fans have treated Beal abysmally, he's fragile and not worth his 50M a year, but to be thrown under the bus and be escape goated for a horrible team is just pure stupidity. Suns are bad not because of Beal, but because of the front office and making Booker the franchise player.

[KdoubleDees23]

If Ishiba does buy out Beal, I hope Spurs or Rockets or another playoff bound team pick him up and he plays well.

Suns fans have treated Beal abysmally, he's fragile and not worth his 50M a year, but to be thrown under the bus and be escape goated for a horrible team is just pure stupidity. Suns are bad not because of Beal, but because of the front office and making Booker the franchise player.

beal sucks and the worst signing we have ever had. Dude is broken and cannot stay healthy. I hope he goes to one of these teams and continues to suck. His career is over.

[KdoubleDees23]

If Ishiba does buy out Beal, I hope Spurs or Rockets or another playoff bound team pick him up and he plays well.

Suns fans have treated Beal abysmally, he's fragile and not worth his 50M a year, but to be thrown under the bus and be escape goated for a horrible team is just pure stupidity. Suns are bad not because of Beal, but because of the front office and making Booker the franchise player.

Also did you say Spurs or another playoff team. Spurs haven't made the playoffs since 2019-20

[Revived]

Read on Twitter

How are we not top 3 considering we have the most bleak future out of any team in the NBA?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Minnesota might be the desperate team to fork up a lot for KD… but they’re also in the second apron and will be virtually impossible to make a direct trade with them. They’re also pretty tapped out on draft capital. Dillingham hasn’t shown much yet.

You do make a good point about the 2nd apron complicating things a bit. However, two trade variations that do seem to work ( **at least on Fanspo tradenba site) are:

1- KD for Randle/ Di Vincenzo/ Dillingham/ Minott/ 17th pick/ 31st pick/ MIN 32' 1st.
** Contingent on Randle opting into his PO, and Reid opting out. Which I strongly believe will happen.

And KD/ for Gobert/ Di Vincenzo/ Dillingham /Minott/ 17th pick ( DET)/ 31 st pick/ MIN 32' 1st.
** Contingent on Naz Reid declining his player option. And I believe that he absolutely will. Minnesota is currently over the 2nd apron by about 2 million dollars aw the current tax line is 188 million and they're sitting at around 190 million. So theoretically, they should be able to drop below it by either buying out Conley's 10 million contract or by declining the 2 million options for Garza and Minott.

This should put them low enough to get withing matching purposes for KDs' 54 million from either trade above. * Just need to swap out Clarke or Shannon Jr for Minotts' salary in the return. And as for Dillingham, I wouldn't plan to keep him anyways. I'd look to package him in another trade elsewhere for players and picks? After all, he still was a lottery pick (8th pick) in the 2024 draft.

There'll be teams that could have interest in Dillinghams' scoring potential. I'd be looking at teams like the Jazz, Brooklyn, Orlando, Clippers, Hornets, Sacramento maybe or Memphis?

[Frank Lee]

Escape goat

that goes back to Paul Panks days

[bullsaficianado]

If Ishiba does buy out Beal, I hope Spurs or Rockets or another playoff bound team pick him up and he plays well.
.

Knowing Beal if he gets bought out and signs with another team he will likely demand a NTC. LOL.

[KdoubleDees23]

Escape goat

that goes back to Paul Panks days

i had a goat escape before from my grandmas farm growing up! Had to chase it down and bring it back + Fix the fence.

[BobbieL]

If Ishiba does buy out Beal, I hope Spurs or Rockets or another playoff bound team pick him up and he plays well.

Suns fans have treated Beal abysmally, he's fragile and not worth his 50M a year, but to be thrown under the bus and be escape goated for a horrible team is just pure stupidity. Suns are bad not because of Beal, but because of the front office and making Booker the franchise player.

Agree with this. He was traded for knowing he had the NTC and contract

Front office botched this in 8 months from Durant to Beal to Ayton

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

If Ishiba does buy out Beal, I hope Spurs or Rockets or another playoff bound team pick him up and he plays well.

Suns fans have treated Beal abysmally, he's fragile and not worth his 50M a year, but to be thrown under the bus and be escape goated for a horrible team is just pure stupidity. Suns are bad not because of Beal, but because of the front office and making Booker the franchise player.

Agree with this. He was traded for knowing he had the NTC and contract

Front office botched this in 8 months from Durant to Beal to Ayton

Ayton is going to be used as a trade chip as an expiring large contract.

Trading Ayton was such a bad move. I feel like an idiot for being happy with that return for the better part of a year. But in retrospect, it really was awful. Worse than the Beal trade - clearly, I think - once you factor in Toumani Camara.

I will just leave with one positive since I'm such a negative nancy. I think Ryan Dunn is a good, talented young player. A great draft pick, in retrospect.

[BobbieL]

If Ishiba does buy out Beal, I hope Spurs or Rockets or another playoff bound team pick him up and he plays well.

Suns fans have treated Beal abysmally, he's fragile and not worth his 50M a year, but to be thrown under the bus and be escape goated for a horrible team is just pure stupidity. Suns are bad not because of Beal, but because of the front office and making Booker the franchise player.

Agree with this. He was traded for knowing he had the NTC and contract

Front office botched this in 8 months from Durant to Beal to Ayton

Ayton is going to be used as a trade chip as an expiring large contract.

Trading Ayton was such a bad move. I feel like an idiot for being happy with that return for the better part of a year. But in retrospect, it really was awful. Worse than the Beal trade - clearly, I think - once you factor in Toumani Camara.

I will just leave with one positive since I'm such a negative nancy. I think Ryan Dunn is a good, talented young player. A great draft pick, in retrospect.

That was such a horrible trade. And Beal too --but we move forward

And I agree, Dunn is a good player. And if the organization is smart - they look at the players around Booker the first time - meaning four years ago and try to duplicate that. Starts with a good PG

[Saberestar]

Marc Stein:

"Suns star Devin Booker has had
a level of involvement with candidates in this
stage of interviews, further illustrating owner
Mat Ishbia's loudly stated determination to
keep Booker in place as the team's
cornerstone."

[KdoubleDees23]

If Ishiba does buy out Beal, I hope Spurs or Rockets or another playoff bound team pick him up and he plays well.

Suns fans have treated Beal abysmally, he's fragile and not worth his 50M a year, but to be thrown under the bus and be escape goated for a horrible team is just pure stupidity. Suns are bad not because of Beal, but because of the front office and making Booker the franchise player.

Agree with this. He was traded for knowing he had the NTC and contract

Front office botched this in 8 months from Durant to Beal to Ayton

Ayton is going to be used as a trade chip as an expiring large contract.

Trading Ayton was such a bad move. I feel like an idiot for being happy with that return for the better part of a year. But in retrospect, it really was awful. Worse than the Beal trade - clearly, I think - once you factor in Toumani Camara.

I will just leave with one positive since I'm such a negative nancy. I think Ryan Dunn is a good, talented young player. A great draft pick, in retrospect.

If we kept CP3, ayton and toumani

Imagine this

CP3
Booker
Toumani
KD / Dunn
Ayton

we should have let them play till trade deadline.

[MrMiyagi]

Agree with this. He was traded for knowing he had the NTC and contract

Front office botched this in 8 months from Durant to Beal to Ayton

Ayton is going to be used as a trade chip as an expiring large contract.

Trading Ayton was such a bad move. I feel like an idiot for being happy with that return for the better part of a year. But in retrospect, it really was awful. Worse than the Beal trade - clearly, I think - once you factor in Toumani Camara.

I will just leave with one positive since I'm such a negative nancy. I think Ryan Dunn is a good, talented young player. A great draft pick, in retrospect.

If we kept CP3, ayton and toumani

Imagine this

CP3
Booker
Toumani
KD / Dunn
Ayton

we should have let them play till trade deadline.

But Ayton don't dunk

[BobbieL]

Agree with this. He was traded for knowing he had the NTC and contract

Front office botched this in 8 months from Durant to Beal to Ayton

Ayton is going to be used as a trade chip as an expiring large contract.

Trading Ayton was such a bad move. I feel like an idiot for being happy with that return for the better part of a year. But in retrospect, it really was awful. Worse than the Beal trade - clearly, I think - once you factor in Toumani Camara.

I will just leave with one positive since I'm such a negative nancy. I think Ryan Dunn is a good, talented young player. A great draft pick, in retrospect.

If we kept CP3, ayton and toumani

Imagine this

CP3
Booker
Toumani
KD / Dunn
Ayton

we should have let them play till trade deadline.

Woulda coulda shoulda but that team should have had a chance to play together

[sunsbum]

If Ishiba does buy out Beal, I hope Spurs or Rockets or another playoff bound team pick him up and he plays well.

Suns fans have treated Beal abysmally, he's fragile and not worth his 50M a year, but to be thrown under the bus and be escape goated for a horrible team is just pure stupidity. Suns are bad not because of Beal, but because of the front office and making Booker the franchise player.

Agree with this. He was traded for knowing he had the NTC and contract

Front office botched this in 8 months from Durant to Beal to Ayton

Ayton is going to be used as a trade chip as an expiring large contract.

Trading Ayton was such a bad move. I feel like an idiot for being happy with that return for the better part of a year. But in retrospect, it really was awful. Worse than the Beal trade - clearly, I think - once you factor in Toumani Camara.

I will just leave with one positive since I'm such a negative nancy. I think Ryan Dunn is a good, talented young player. A great draft pick, in retrospect.

I’d be fine with the trade if we didn’t give up toumani. That was a bigger blunder than Halliburton because we actually had eyes on him during the summer league and he looked really good.