The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Not sure if it has been talked about here, but anyone else have any interest in Rudy Gobert? With them having matched Hayward, it means they are not likely to be able to offer a large contract to Kanter or be able to hold on to some of their other guys, without clearing out the house a little. Anyway Gobert intrigues me as a guy who is somewhere between Larry Sanders and Steven Hunter. He is tall, a decent runner and can block shots. He is still early on his rookie deal so he will grow more.... I think he might look good next to Kieff. He would steal time from MP and Len, though.

Man, I'd be all over Rudy. I just can't imagine they'd trade him. Rudy's a beast.

[Barkley6]

Not sure if it has been talked about here, but anyone else have any interest in Rudy Gobert? With them having matched Hayward, it means they are not likely to be able to offer a large contract to Kanter or be able to hold on to some of their other guys, without clearing out the house a little. Anyway Gobert intrigues me as a guy who is somewhere between Larry Sanders and Steven Hunter. He is tall, a decent runner and can block shots. He is still early on his rookie deal so he will grow more.... I think he might look good next to Kieff. He would steal time from MP and Len, though.

Man, I'd be all over Rudy. I just can't imagine they'd trade him. Rudy's a beast.

Dude has a 7'9" wingspan and can run the floor. Sign me up.

[Barkley6]

I have a feeling that before the season starts the Suns will be involved in a trade, likely as a third team, and will be able to snag an asset, whether it's a pick or a player. I've said it before that I thInk Phoenix should try to be the third team in the Love to Cleveland deal. I know some of you wouldn't be fans of this because you want Love in Phoenix, but it seems as though that train has sailed. The Cavs are going to give up a bunch of young players, if we could send some draft picks Minnesota's way to snag one of those young guys (Thompson being my preference) I'd be all for that.

[Daredevilish]

I have a feeling that before the season starts the Suns will be involved in a trade, likely as a third team, and will be able to snag an asset, whether it's a pick or a player. I've said it before that I thInk Phoenix should try to be the third team in the Love to Cleveland deal. I know some of you wouldn't be fans of this because you want Love in Phoenix, but it seems as though that train has sailed. The Cavs are going to give up a bunch of young players, if we could send some draft picks Minnesota's way to snag one of those young guys (Thompson being my preference) I'd be all for that.

I'd be fine with doing this. Especially as the Cavs get more and more desperate for Love.

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[BobbieL]

Bledsoe 4/48 is so much better than the Parsons or Hayward deals

I thought the offer on the table was 4/$44M?

True - was the Gambo report. I was just using the possible worst case scenario at this point - the Lowery deal. But you are right, with the way the market is - the Suns could easily pay Bledsoe less

Dave King has a good write up about the Suns - again noting that Ennis has not signed and with cap holds, the Suns still have $16.5m of cap space to do something before signing Tucker and Bledsoe

My figures in earlier post were if they Suns did nothing else. But as NTrax reported - Suns are not going over the cap - so Dave King may need to adjust his figures.

And based on the report from King - if you take in the available cap space of 16.5m with the cap holds, remove the cap holds for Ennis, Tucker and Bledsoe, that makes the Suns have $25.8m of cap space: and then sign all three for roughly Tucker at 5.5m; Ennis at $1.5 and Bledsoe at $12 (the highest) - would be about 6.8m of cap space left.

So the Suns were smart and shrewed this offseason. A very welcome change

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/ ... d-spending

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Do not trade draft picks. You trying to ruin my June party?

[Barkley6]

Do not trade draft picks. You trying to ruin my June party?

VERY little chance we add three rookies next year. The only pick I see being used is the Laker pick. So I'd be more than happy to deal the other two.

[RunDogGun]

So the Kings are trying to get JSmooth? Man they should also pick up Artest, Stevenson, and heck, bring back Iverson. They could have the most talented head case team ever.

[Barkley6]

I have a feeling that before the season starts the Suns will be involved in a trade, likely as a third team, and will be able to snag an asset, whether it's a pick or a player. I've said it before that I thInk Phoenix should try to be the third team in the Love to Cleveland deal. I know some of you wouldn't be fans of this because you want Love in Phoenix, but it seems as though that train has sailed. The Cavs are going to give up a bunch of young players, if we could send some draft picks Minnesota's way to snag one of those young guys (Thompson being my preference) I'd be all for that.

I'd be fine with doing this. Especially as the Cavs get more and more desperate for Love.

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How about something like this:

Wolves Get:
Waiters
Bennett
Ennis
Wiggins

Cavs Get:
Love
2015 Minnesota 1st
2015 Suns 1st

Suns Get:
Tristan Thompson
2016 Cavs 1st

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Do not trade draft picks. You trying to ruin my June party?

VERY little chance we add three rookies next year. The only pick I see being used is the Laker pick. So I'd be more than happy to deal the other two.

Come on man. We trying to build a champion in Bakersfield!

I'm not kidding though. I'll trade draft picks for other draft picks, and that's most easily done at the draft. Lot of bigs coming out next year. You take chances all you want, but it's very possible the Lakers have a top 5 pick and the Wolves have a top 12 pick leaving us with just our own and Tyler "Trade Bait" Ennis. Very few PGs next draft, so maybe a good opportunity for us to weasel our way into the lottery. Just say no to trading draft picks.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I have a feeling that before the season starts the Suns will be involved in a trade, likely as a third team, and will be able to snag an asset, whether it's a pick or a player. I've said it before that I thInk Phoenix should try to be the third team in the Love to Cleveland deal. I know some of you wouldn't be fans of this because you want Love in Phoenix, but it seems as though that train has sailed. The Cavs are going to give up a bunch of young players, if we could send some draft picks Minnesota's way to snag one of those young guys (Thompson being my preference) I'd be all for that.

I'd be fine with doing this. Especially as the Cavs get more and more desperate for Love.

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How about something like this:

Wolves Get:
Waiters
Bennett
Ennis
Wiggins

Cavs Get:
Love
2015 Minnesota 1st
2015 Suns 1st

Suns Get:
Tristan Thompson
2016 Cavs 1st

Basically, Ennis for Thompson, who'll promptly want Markieff's PT and his contract extension? Really bad idea.

[BobbieL]

Do not trade draft picks. You trying to ruin my June party?

VERY little chance we add three rookies next year. The only pick I see being used is the Laker pick. So I'd be more than happy to deal the other two.

I think people fall in love with the idea of draft picks. Alex Len was the 5th pick of the 2013 draft but I read if he was in the 2014 draft - would have been in the 10-15 range. Meaning picks aren't equal

Gambo and Burns were debating that if the Suns won the draft lotto - whether to take Wiggins or if Twolves amenable, use it for Love. Granted, it makes for better radio if they disagree.

But other then the dollars given for the next 5-6 years - in what planet is a KNOWN like Love not better than a total unknown like Wiggins. I don't think Wiggins had the talent of Durant coming out. And Love at 25 still has many years where as if he were 30 -then you might want the draft pick

NBA to me - draft picks are overrated. Players are younger, need more seasoning. Sure - some rookies come in and play well but look at Kieff - he needed a few years to figure it out

So, draft picks are good trade assets. I think its important to not trade them all away - always good to have one rookie year deal on a cost certain four year contract on your roster - or maybe you trade one away every few years. But don't need three or two per year either

[Barkley6]

I'd be fine with doing this. Especially as the Cavs get more and more desperate for Love.

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How about something like this:

Wolves Get:
Waiters
Bennett
Ennis
Wiggins

Cavs Get:
Love
2015 Minnesota 1st
2015 Suns 1st

Suns Get:
Tristan Thompson
2016 Cavs 1st

Basically, Ennis for Thompson, who'll promptly want Markieff's PT and his contract extension? Really bad idea.

It's more about adding quality depth. Markieff would likely still start, Thompson would get the backup 4 minutes. Kieff is the better scorer, but Thompson is the better rebounder. Our lineup would look like this:

Dragic/Thomas
Bledsoe/Green
Tucker/Mook
Markieff/Thompson
Plumlee/Len

That second unit would DESTROY pretty much anyone else's bench. Especially with our three PG rotation. And that's not even accounting for the fact that Goodwin and Warren might push for minutes. It also means that we have the ability to weather a long term injury to basically every position (except maybe C). To me, that's a strong 10 man rotation.

[BobbieL]

The positive about this offseason. It looks as if Bledsoe will be around for at most - 12m per season. Possibly Dragic comes back at 13m per season -give or take. That's not bad for two players just ready to take off in the NBA for the next half dozen years.

With the Laker pick, other picks, Morris twins, Len, Plumlee, Green, Thomas, Tucker - the Suns have a deep roster that will - if need be creates trade opportunities for that "third player" with Eric and Goran.

Ryan McD - awesome hire

Sarver - just please continue to let Ryan and Lon know what to spend and get the bleep out of their way. Thank you

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

How about something like this:

Wolves Get:
Waiters
Bennett
Ennis
Wiggins

Cavs Get:
Love
2015 Minnesota 1st
2015 Suns 1st

Suns Get:
Tristan Thompson
2016 Cavs 1st

Basically, Ennis for Thompson, who'll promptly want Markieff's PT and his contract extension? Really bad idea.

It's more about adding quality depth. Markieff would likely still start, Thompson would get the backup 4 minutes. Kieff is the better scorer, but Thompson is the better rebounder. Our lineup would look like this:

Dragic/Thomas
Bledsoe/Green
Tucker/Mook
Markieff/Thompson
Plumlee/Len

That second unit would DESTROY pretty much anyone else's bench. Especially with our three PG rotation. And that's not even accounting for the fact that Goodwin and Warren might push for minutes. It also means that we have the ability to weather a long term injury to basically every position (except maybe C). To me, that's a strong 10 man rotation.

Add this to the list of things that make us better on paper, but which would dubious on-court effects, and which would make us worse long-term. As I said, you'd have to pay TT or let him walk the following season (after unsettling the MoBros, making that situation tougher) while Ennis is elsewhere, developing, on his rookie contract.

Not trying to crap on your effort, but you don't trade players. You trade contracts.

[carey]

Also, the Cavs don't want to give up their #1 pick Wiggins let alone Wiggins, their former #1 Bennet, their former #4 Waiters and their other former #4 Tristan Thompson. All for Kevin Love who has not played a full NBA season since his rookie year. You want to talk about Bledsoe being injured all the time? Love is a walking MASH unit.

[BobbieL]

Also, the Cavs don't want to give up their #1 pick Wiggins let alone Wiggins, their former #1 Bennet, their former #4 Waiters and their other former #4 Tristan Thompson. All for Kevin Love who has not played a full NBA season since his rookie year. You want to talk about Bledsoe being injured all the time? Love is a walking MASH unit.

The more I see the Suns current team - once Bledsoe gets done - the more I like Ryan McD. He just knows what he is doing, has a plan and doesn't budge from that plan. Sure, trading the 18 or 27 for Gasol might have made the playoffs - but wasn't part of the long term plan.

Bledsoe
Dragic
Morris
Morris
Len
Tucker
Thomas
Plumlee
Green
Goodwin
Ennis
Warren

Young roster; many tradeable assets if need be: Tolliver, Green and the Morri are basically expiring as Tolliver only has 400k guaranteed in year 2. Future is bright and yes, the team is "Ready to Ignite" any media honk who doesn't see the big picture - is just being difficult and short sighted.
Tolliver

[Sunsdeuce]

@PaulCalvisi: #Suns Update, per @Chris_Broussard: Suns & Bledsoe "remain far apart in contract talks, according to sources close to the situation."

Awe, things are coming out now. Bledsoe hasn't proven anything yet demanding. Im already tired of this guy. Let the bucks over pay.


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[ryan0098]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11227 ... gotiations

[JTrain]

It doesn't appear he has much leverage at this point. Sort of frustrating that he's playing hard ball like this.

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