Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[Revived]

The Denver Nuggets are receiving trade interest in Arron Afflalo from the Miami Heat, Los Angeles Clippers and Charlotte Hornets.

The Nuggets acquired Afflalo last offseason from the Orlando Magic and is on an expiring contract.

After trading away Timofey Mozgov, the Nuggets are essentially conceding the season and looking to turn existing players into long-term assets.

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/554781353267322880

I wish the Suns would cut the crap with the small ball stuff and get a true SG like Aaron Afflalo. He'd be the perfect fit next to either Bledsoe or Dragic.

[Cutter]

The Cavs coach just bashed Kevin Love pretty badly after their loss against the Kings. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... Player-Yet I would not be shocked if they end up trading him before the deadline because he just has not worked out on that team. Even though I am not a big fan of his, I would offer them Thomas and the Morris brothers for him. None of those players play defense so it is a wash in that department. I think it helps them a lot honestly. Gives the Cavs three scoring options to help Lebron. It takes away the Suns glut of point guards and allows time for Warren to back up Tucker and also Green to become the main guard off the bench again. That should help him to relax. Then Ennis and Goodwin can get some time too. Most importantly, it should open up the floor with Love hanging around the three point line and Len manning the middle. If anything, it gets the Suns out of their long term obligations to Thomas and the Morris brothers.

I'm not much of a Kevin Love fan, but I wouldn't hate it if we traded for him. I'm also trending to neutral support for the Morris brothers. I view both of them as being at their best when coming off the bench together. I don't like Markeiff starting at the 4 but also realize we don't have someone better than him at this time.

Last year I would have been against trading the Morri, I am now be open to it if the return were sufficient enough.

[thamadkant]

The Denver Nuggets are receiving trade interest in Arron Afflalo from the Miami Heat, Los Angeles Clippers and Charlotte Hornets.

The Nuggets acquired Afflalo last offseason from the Orlando Magic and is on an expiring contract.

After trading away Timofey Mozgov, the Nuggets are essentially conceding the season and looking to turn existing players into long-term assets.

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/554781353267322880

I wish the Suns would cut the crap with the small ball stuff and get a true SG like Aaron Afflalo. He'd be the perfect fit next to either Bledsoe or Dragic.

James Harden is the ideal SG on the current Suns *system (*system = dribble, pass, drive, shoot when ever)

[MrMiyagi]

The biggest trade chips that should be on the block.

Everyone and anyone except for the following.
- Len
- Goodwin
- Ennis
- Warren

Reason? young enough, need to see what they can do with big minutes and very cheap.

And what exactly are we supposed to be trading for?

MVP candidates
trade 4-5 "good" players
for
1 or 2 GREAT players

Who are these 1 or 2 great players? Name them. Who are these available MVP candidates?

[bwgood77]

Exactly Miyagi. When I saw that I thought the same thing. People don't trade mvp candidates for 4-5 good players. Especially these teams that just convinced free agents to take max contracts to stay there. People are suggesting we trade for them. The Knicks won't trade Melo. They are going to build around him, or attempt to.

The Heat probably SHOULD go young, because I don't think they are going anywhere any time soon, and they have could get young assets for Bosh, but they'd have to decide to try to trade Wade too, and I am not sure how hard that would be, but I really don't see them trading Bosh and keeping Wade. I suppose you could start a rebuild and since rookie contracts are not much, you just let Wade expire if you can't trade him. I imagine they probably feel that if they can just get into the playoffs, they have the vets and experience to compete. I really just don't see Riley having a go young and have losing seasons mentality AT ALL.

[thamadkant]

And what exactly are we supposed to be trading for?

MVP candidates
trade 4-5 "good" players
for
1 or 2 GREAT players

Who are these 1 or 2 great players? Name them. Who are these available MVP candidates?

I know what you're trying to do.
And I've ALREADY POSTED my thoughts previously... THERE IS ONLY 2 REALISTIC TRADE PARTNERS.
Knicks and Nets, for B.Lopez (Green + Plumlee OR Morris twins) or Melo (Green, Morris twins, Plumlee, picks, Dragic OR Thomas OR Bledsoe).

But OF COURSE Knicks and Nets would shop around and look for the best offer, and I dont know if the Suns offer would be the best, but its worth a try.


And my post regarding keeping the rookies/youth and making everyone available is a hypothetical scenario, it doesnt take into consideration WHO is available in the market. Its me saying, I LOVE the YOUNG guys in Phoenix and I want to develop them and see if they can be stars.

This is a trade thread, we post ideas we have in our heads.
You should take a look around other Team forums, every team has a trade thread where fans fantasize about their ideal players on their teams.

My REALISTIC trade proposal and consideration was already posted on another page in this very thread... But the post that YOU KEEP ON responding to is hypothetical, do you understand now?
Or do you want me to draw pictures and graphs.

[thamadkant]

Exactly Miyagi. When I saw that I thought the same thing. People don't trade mvp candidates for 4-5 good players. Especially these teams that just convinced free agents to take max contracts to stay there. People are suggesting we trade for them. The Knicks won't trade Melo. They are going to build around him, or attempt to.

The Heat probably SHOULD go young, because I don't think they are going anywhere any time soon, and they have could get young assets for Bosh, but they'd have to decide to try to trade Wade too, and I am not sure how hard that would be, but I really don't see them trading Bosh and keeping Wade. I suppose you could start a rebuild and since rookie contracts are not much, you just let Wade expire if you can't trade him. I imagine they probably feel that if they can just get into the playoffs, they have the vets and experience to compete. I really just don't see Riley having a go young and have losing seasons mentality AT ALL.

You too...
You ignored my long post showing LIKELY players and teams Suns can trade with..

But continue on about a post where I posted a hypothetical "ideal" scenario which disregarded WHO is available on the market.


By the way, here are some recent trades that involved MULTIPLE players for MVP-type players
- Nuggets / Knicks - Melo for a bunch of "good" players.
- Cavs / Wolves - Love for Wiggins and Bennett, Love isnt an MVP candidate per say, but his numbers are.
- Celtics / Wolves - Garnett for Jefferson, Green, Ratliff, Telfair, Gomes and picks

yeah yeah, some of the above players were "Young" back then, but still a package of "good" players and picks for legit star-level, MVP-type players.

[thamadkant]

Bottom line is, current Suns team DOESNT even play team ball very well, it is highly reliant on players being hot and hitting tough shots. No ball movement, isolations galore... if it werent for the Suns being real good in transition offense, the record could be much worse.

But look, the Suns players play hard... you have to cheer the effort and wish for the best.

But people here so defensive of the current team... I mean, the Suns are not exactly ELITE, there are plenty of things that need improvement... so ITS NATURAL for other fans to wish for something else.

if the Suns are playing GREAT team ball, little to no weaknesses, almost flawless.... do you guys think there would be this 50/50 divide amongst the fans?... I dont think so. But since the team has many things that need improvement, debates on which direction to go is perfectly fine. No one is right no one is wrong... its not like Suns have a recipee for a championship... we are ALL craving for their first, so how about letting fans post their ideas and instead of fighting back, post your own.

[MrMiyagi]

MVP candidates
trade 4-5 "good" players
for
1 or 2 GREAT players

Who are these 1 or 2 great players? Name them. Who are these available MVP candidates?

I know what you're trying to do.
And I've ALREADY POSTED my thoughts previously... THERE IS ONLY 2 REALISTIC TRADE PARTNERS.
Knicks and Nets, for B.Lopez (Green + Plumlee OR Morris twins) or Melo (Green, Morris twins, Plumlee, picks, Dragic OR Thomas OR Bledsoe).

But OF COURSE Knicks and Nets would shop around and look for the best offer, and I dont know if the Suns offer would be the best, but its worth a try.


And my post regarding keeping the rookies/youth and making everyone available is a hypothetical scenario, it doesnt take into consideration WHO is available in the market. Its me saying, I LOVE the YOUNG guys in Phoenix and I want to develop them and see if they can be stars.

This is a trade thread, we post ideas we have in our heads.
You should take a look around other Team forums, every team has a trade thread where fans fantasize about their ideal players on their teams.

My REALISTIC trade proposal and consideration was already posted on another page in this very thread... But the post that YOU KEEP ON responding to is hypothetical, do you understand now?
Or do you want me to draw pictures and graphs.

Brook Lopez is an MVP candidate? Melo is too? When did this happen?

People b*tch about having 35 million dollars locked up in Bledsoe, IT, Makieff and Marcus, but 22 million for the next 4 seasons for 1 player isn't a cap strangler? We can somehow swing that?

Melo and Lopez aren't even close to being ideal players for us.

Yeah, this is all make believe and whatnot, but seriously these moves don't even seem like you care about the Suns.

[bwgood77]

Exactly Miyagi. When I saw that I thought the same thing. People don't trade mvp candidates for 4-5 good players. Especially these teams that just convinced free agents to take max contracts to stay there. People are suggesting we trade for them. The Knicks won't trade Melo. They are going to build around him, or attempt to.

The Heat probably SHOULD go young, because I don't think they are going anywhere any time soon, and they have could get young assets for Bosh, but they'd have to decide to try to trade Wade too, and I am not sure how hard that would be, but I really don't see them trading Bosh and keeping Wade. I suppose you could start a rebuild and since rookie contracts are not much, you just let Wade expire if you can't trade him. I imagine they probably feel that if they can just get into the playoffs, they have the vets and experience to compete. I really just don't see Riley having a go young and have losing seasons mentality AT ALL.

You too...
You ignored my long post showing LIKELY players and teams Suns can trade with..

But continue on about a post where I posted a hypothetical "ideal" scenario which disregarded WHO is available on the market.


By the way, here are some recent trades that involved MULTIPLE players for MVP-type players
- Nuggets / Knicks - Melo for a bunch of "good" players.
- Cavs / Wolves - Love for Wiggins and Bennett, Love isnt an MVP candidate per say, but his numbers are.
- Celtics / Wolves - Garnett for Jefferson, Green, Ratliff, Telfair, Gomes and picks

yeah yeah, some of the above players were "Young" back then, but still a package of "good" players and picks for legit star-level, MVP-type players.

The key with those guys is they wanted out....big time, Garnett not AS big, but he resigned himself to it. There is zero evidence any of those guys you mention want out.

[bwgood77]

Brook Lopez is an MVP candidate? Melo is too? When did this happen?

Yeah, when I saw Brook Lopez mentioned as an MVP candidate, I didn't think it was even worth responding to. Obviously Melo, at this point isn't close either. But Brook effin Lopez?

[MilotheSlayer]

Gerald Green for Jarred Dudley and a protected 1st. Dudley was a true professional when he played in PHX. He'd help with the ball movement and he'd be one of the better mentors to our young players.

[RaisingArizona]

Gerald Green for Jarred Dudley and a protected 1st. Dudley was a true professional when he played in PHX. He'd help with the ball movement and he'd be one of the better mentors to our young players.

Don't like it. JD is on the downslope of his career.

[grumpysaddle]

It's funny when posters suggest trading everyone but the young players away. This team is pretty much nothing BUT young players.

[collidingNeurons]

I'm just glad the suns have a general manager and most of you aren't

[collidingNeurons]

I'm just glad the suns have a general manager and most of you aren't

[collidingNeurons]

apparently i hit enter twice and missed 'it' on the end of both posts

[LukasBMW]

If IT moved the ball, Green had a bit better shot selection (and realized he SUCKS if he takes more then 3 dribbles), and the Morri could avoid Techs, then NO ONE on this team should be moved.

But I don't think IT is going to be happy as a backup and while he played like an allstar for the first 10 games, he's looked like a backup PG recently.

I'd resign Green for a 4 year deal at 6 mil a year, but anymore and he can walk. We have TJ waiting in the wings and lots of other talented 3's to choose from in trades and free agency.

I'd like to keep Plumlee and see if he can regain his confidence. Remember, he has a 42" verticle and is 7 feet tall! I don't know why he has been playing with rock hands and cement feet this year.

But if we have a chance to pick up another big guy or underrated SF for a package of Green, IT, and Plumlee, I pull that trigger in a heartbeat.

I just don't know why any team would want an egotistical 5'9" PG, a shot happy SF on a contract year, and a center who has played like **** all season long.

I think we probably hold steady and try to make the playoffs.

[Revived]

If IT moved the ball, Green had a bit better shot selection (and realized he SUCKS if he takes more then 3 dribbles), and the Morri could avoid Techs, then NO ONE on this team should be moved.

But I don't think IT is going to be happy as a backup and while he played like an allstar for the first 10 games, he's looked like a backup PG recently.

I'd resign Green for a 4 year deal at 6 mil a year, but anymore and he can walk. We have TJ waiting in the wings and lots of other talented 3's to choose from in trades and free agency.

I'd like to keep Plumlee and see if he can regain his confidence. Remember, he has a 42" verticle and is 7 feet tall! I don't know why he has been playing with rock hands and cement feet this year.

But if we have a chance to pick up another big guy or underrated SF for a package of Green, IT, and Plumlee, I pull that trigger in a heartbeat.

I just don't know why any team would want an egotistical 5'9" PG, a shot happy SF on a contract year, and a center who has played like **** all season long.

I think we probably hold steady and try to make the playoffs.

That's WAY too much money. And I don't just say that because I'm not a fan of Green's game.

By giving Green $6M/yr along with the Bledsoe/IT/Tucker/Morris contracts given out, your squandering a ton of cap space.

Your basically committing to this core saying that you think this group can eventually improve enough to be a contender.

Green will probably get that type of money but it shouldn't be from a rebuilding team like us, it should be from a contender who is like one shooter away or something.

[BurningHeart]

apparently i hit enter twice and missed 'it' on the end of both posts

Don't worry. Your post was worth a double post. It's probably worth more than that, even.