Official Trade Thread: How to Trade Your Dragon

thamadkant · Post #641 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:15 pm

gaspar wrote:
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Dragic on #Suns front office, "I don't trust them any more"; hopes for trade but will be professional if not dealt

Professional? A bit too late for that. Don't you think, Goran?

lol yeah WTF is Dragic thinking when he said that.... the BEST outcome for all is if he didnt come out and say stuff and kept it all behind doors.

Flying Colors · Post #642 » by **Flying Colors** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:15 pm

rsavaj wrote:
Flying Colors wrote:
rsavaj wrote:Gambo says Dragic is upset we didn't give Channing a 4 year deal

yeesh...

rsavaj wrote:Gambo says Bledsoe and IT are unhappy too

unhappy that dragic is leaving, or unhappy with their playing time, or unhappy with the franchise in general?

Just "unhappy"...in context, sounds like he was referring to the 3 PG situation. IT wants to start, Bledsoe probably wants to be "the man" just like Goran.

i see, we are better off trading IT too then since we just can't start him over Bledsoe, and this dual PG thing should be dead now that Dragic goes.

Revived · Post #643 » by **Revived** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:15 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:His whole attitude, and approach has changed for the worse this year.

... Said no one before today.

Sorry, I gotta let this go. Y'all go ahead and hate Goran. Burn the effigy. Get catharsis. MB.

You're a fanboi. I'm a fan. The difference is I'd rather the franchise do what's best for them, rather than accommodate a fringe all star who wants a max deal. Oh, and he also just blasted our FO.

Gambo just said that Bledsoe and IT are unhappy as well. Lets insult them also?

Revived · Post #644 » by **Revived** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:15 pm

Gambo is going off on 98.7 right now. He says that Goran's not the only one, IT and Bledsoe are unhappy as well with each of their roles on the team Goran just happens to be the only one who has come out publicly.

He say IT is not happy with his role off the bench and that he hasn't been happy with it all season long.

Gambo says signing IT was the domino affect in all of this.

What a mess. Trading Dragic won't even fix this, there are others who are unhappy as well.

You can listen to it live here:

http://arizonasports.com/98/1789422/Lis ... M-anywhere

http://arizonasports.com/streams/kmvpfm.php

HEY SUNS FANS, IS DRAGIC STILL THE DEVIL??? LETS TURN ON BLEDSOE AND IT TOO!! LETS TURN ON THE ENTIRE TEAM, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE EVEN ONE PLAYER IS HAPPY!

Nando88 · Post #645 » by **Nando88** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:15 pm

AZWildByNature wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/568150847378423808 [/tweet] :shock:

Great , now everyone will see us as we have a collective mental break down from all this crap. Kinda wish the thread was still titled "no Vaseline". It's more fitting.

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WTFsunsFTW · Post #646 » by **WTFsunsFTW** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:16 pm

letsgosuns wrote:I want to be clear on how I feel. I do not like the dual point guard lineup at all. I would rather have Bledsoe over Dragic for several reasons. I would like to trade Dragic AND Thomas. However, basketball reasons aside, this is turning into a PR nightmare and it looks really bad on Sarver imo. Not the first time it has happened either. Nearly a decade ago Bryan Colangelo left and so did Rex Chapman. After D'antoni left/was fired, there was the Terry Porter fiasco. Then Alvin Gentry came in and was great for the Nash team. Then following the 2010 season, Sarver asked people to take a paycut and they got mad and Kerr left the team. Enter Lon Baby and Lance Blanks. Blanks was awful. Then after they assemble the worst roster in Suns history highlighted by building a team around Michael Beasley, the Suns fire Gentry and stab Dan Majerle in the back by by hiring Hunter. After Dragic came back, the Suns new front office goes out and gets multiple point guards. Dragic is forced to play shooting guard or small forward and off the ball. This seems to be a pattern now with the Suns screwing over people that have shown loyalty to them.

Well laid out. Ive never been a Sarver fan, but he was beginning to redeem himself, and this just kills his credibility. You don't need loyalty for the real estate market, but Im not sure how he hasnt learned his lesson in the sports world yet.

thamadkant · Post #647 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:17 pm

Flying Colors wrote:
rsavaj wrote:Gambo says Dragic is upset we didn't give Channing a 4 year deal

yeesh...

rsavaj wrote:Gambo says Bledsoe and IT are unhappy too

unhappy that dragic is leaving, or unhappy with their playing time, or unhappy with the franchise in general?

Why do I have a feeling the Morris brothers back stage antics have something to do with this.

They give me the impression of arrogance, but that could just be me imagining it since my thats my impression of them since early in the season.

rottenbanana36 · Post #648 » by **rottenbanana36** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:17 pm

I think where it turned for me is the stupid comments he's making right now. I got no issue with being unhappy about it or even wanting to be traded but I'm not sure how he thinks this behavior is going to make him any more desirable in the eyes of other teams.

saintEscaton · Post #649 » by **saintEscaton** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:17 pm

Man get this fiasco over with already. Don't let it drag on any longer.

sunsfever68 · Post #650 » by **sunsfever68** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:18 pm

Few thoughts on this situation

Think logically not emotionally on this one

1. Does this seem like the Goran Dragic we know? No it doesn't.

Who pulled this same charade last year with the Suns who was an RFA and got coached up by an agent, therefore driving his price tag up and ultimately the Suns paid him more money? Bledsoe. Dragic wanted Bledsoe back supposedly. He never wanted IT here so we can ship IT's ass out.

Duffy is coaching up Dragic to get more money from the Suns and it's working brilliantly. INstead of getting 12-13M a year from the Suns he could potentially get 17-18M a year. that's a huge pay raise 5-6M a year more for 4-5 years. Smart business move.

2. Never mix business with family. The morris brothers are mal contents and have caused chemistry issues. Having the dragic brothers together Zoran Dragic, the amazing (jk) Zoran, has probably been in Goran's ear demanding he get paid alot. Dragic has always loved phoenix he came back to Phoenix after Houston.

Get rid of Zoran get rid of Marcus and let Goran and Markieff live without them without any negative influences around them.

I really think Dragic is bluffing here and if we call his bluff, get rid of IT and pay him say 15M a year for 4-5 years I hope he'll reason and sign with us. I realize the Lakers and Knicks can pay more and we can pay the most but Dragic is not worth 20M a year no way.

I think he will realize that I highly doubt LA pays him 20M a year but maybe i"m wrong.

QuickLikeTheo · Post #651 » by **QuickLikeTheo** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:18 pm

Trade IT and Green and bring zoran off the bench as the sixth man to play with goran. He's still my favorite player

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SunsFanSSOL · Post #652 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:18 pm

SF88 wrote:Gambo is going off on 98.7 right now. He says that Goran's not the only one, IT and Bledsoe are unhappy as well with each of their roles on the team Goran just happens to be the only one who has come out publicly.

He say IT is not happy with his role off the bench and that he hasn't been happy with it all season long.

Gambo says signing IT was the domino affect in all of this.

What a mess. Trading Dragic won't even fix this, there are others who are unhappy as well.

You can listen to it live here:

http://arizonasports.com/98/1789422/Lis ... M-anywhere

http://arizonasports.com/streams/kmvpfm.php

HEY SUNS FANS, IS DRAGIC STILL THE DEVIL??? LETS TURN ON BLEDSOE AND IT TOO!! LETS TURN ON THE ENTIRE TEAM, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE EVEN ONE PLAYER IS HAPPY!

He said Bled and IT are unhappy with the 3 PG lineup, we all are - it's stupid. We knew IT doesn't like being a bench player. Goran is unhappy with everything; unhappy we didn't re-sign Frye, unhappy we don't play his brother etc.

jcsunsfan · Post #653 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:19 pm

1. Not signing Frye was the right choice. Goran is not paid to be the GM.
2. Not letting Bledsoe walk was the right choice. We would be looking at having neither of them right now. Believe me, we would. the agent would be doing everything he could to push his value. We would be paying him $20 million or not having him.
3. Signing IT was probably a mistake, but it sure seemed like a great thing at the time.
4. Signing Zoran was a mistake. If they made any promises to Dragic about him getting a shot, or minutes, or anything, it was a big mistake.

Time to quit coddling Goran. Move on.

thamadkant · Post #654 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:19 pm

SF88 wrote:Gambo is going off on 98.7 right now. He says that Goran's not the only one, IT and Bledsoe are unhappy as well with each of their roles on the team Goran just happens to be the only one who has come out publicly.

He say IT is not happy with his role off the bench and that he hasn't been happy with it all season long.

Gambo says signing IT was the domino affect in all of this.

What a mess. Trading Dragic won't even fix this, there are others who are unhappy as well.

You can listen to it live here:

http://arizonasports.com/98/1789422/Lis ... M-anywhere

http://arizonasports.com/streams/kmvpfm.php

HEY SUNS FANS, IS DRAGIC STILL THE DEVIL??? LETS TURN ON BLEDSOE AND IT TOO!! LETS TURN ON THE ENTIRE TEAM, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE EVEN ONE PLAYER IS HAPPY!

Dude, Dragic has come out and screwed the Suns... the team you support.

Bledsoe and Thomas actually did the right thing by not coming out and kept it behind doors... Gambo ISNT helping the Suns here... he needs to STFU because he is putting the coach and the FO under the bus. What ever "hook-up" he has with the Suns FO is being extremely strained with him saying things like that in public, turning the Suns fans against the FO in favor of justifying Dragic "screwing" the Suns trade aspirations.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #655 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:19 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:His whole attitude, and approach has changed for the worse this year.

... Said no one before today.

Sorry, I gotta let this go. Y'all go ahead and hate Goran. Burn the effigy. Get catharsis. MB.

You're a fanboi. I'm a fan. The difference is I'd rather the franchise do what's best for them, rather than accommodate a fringe all star who wants a max deal. Oh, and he also just blasted our FO.

Whoa. Talk about not paying attention. The Trade Dragic train left the station a few weeks ago, and I don't recall you being on board, buddy! I was trying to mend the bridge a little bit with that edit. Whatev.

RaisingArizona · Post #656 » by **RaisingArizona** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:20 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Keeping Dragic and trying to mend fences is impossible now after what he said. He is forcing himself off the team. The fans would boo him every game.

I would go Friday just to boo his ***.

RunDogGun · Post #657 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:20 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Keeping Dragic and trying to mend fences is impossible now after what he said. He is forcing himself off the team. The fans would boo him every game.

Fans at our games are more interested in free hotdogs at halftime then they are the game. They don't even know how to be loud.

rottenbanana36 · Post #658 » by **rottenbanana36** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:20 pm

I don't believe that the Morris brothers are mal contents and have caused chemistry issues. Just last year when they were on the 2nd team together they were lauded as being the leaders of a group that had great chemistry. It's a total team dynamic not just one or two people

RunDogGun · Post #659 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:21 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Keeping Dragic and trying to mend fences is impossible now after what he said. He is forcing himself off the team. The fans would boo him every game.

I would go Friday just to boo his ***.

Tell me when you are in town (Minny) I'll buy you a drink. :wink:

RaisingArizona · Post #660 » by **RaisingArizona** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:21 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
... Said no one before today.

Sorry, I gotta let this go. Y'all go ahead and hate Goran. Burn the effigy. Get catharsis. MB.

You're a fanboi. I'm a fan. The difference is I'd rather the franchise do what's best for them, rather than accommodate a fringe all star who wants a max deal. Oh, and he also just blasted our FO.

Whoa. Talk about not paying attention. The Trade Dragic train left the station a few weeks ago, and I don't recall you being on board, buddy! I was trying to mend the bridge a little bit with that edit. Whatev.

I will agree to disagree with you all day long.