Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[jcsunsfan]

I think we're better off trading Bled + whatever to get into the Top 5 or 6

and that's very much possible considering that Jrue **** Holiday was worth 6th and a future 1st

Or even better: trading Bledsoe for 6th and Morri+ for top 8th or 9th

Interesting thing, if you look at the draft board: a lot of the teams in front of us are probably not interested in projects. If I'm Charlotte, I'm taking Booker. If I'm Miami, Indy or Utah, I'm looking at Kaminsky. Which of these teams wants a guy like Oubre or Turner?

If they wants NBA ready players instead of projects mayby they will like Morri

C'mon guys, we don't need to trade up into the top 6. I am fully confident the lottery Gods will finally reward us with a top 3 pick.

You sound like that Espo dude. He's the only person I know that is talking like the Suns have any realistic chance of landing a top 3 pick.

[Flying Colors]

Or even better: trading Bledsoe for 6th and Morri+ for top 8th or 9th

If they wants NBA ready players instead of projects mayby they will like Morri

C'mon guys, we don't need to trade up into the top 6. I am fully confident the lottery Gods will finally reward us with a top 3 pick.

You sound like that Espo dude. He's the only person I know that is talking like the Suns have any realistic chance of landing a top 3 pick.

all i'm saying is that i never seen bwgood77 and Espo in the same room....

[SunsFanSSOL]

NO NO NO to Kaminsky, Kaminsky is such a Lance Blanks pick. I'd rather trade our pick for cash then have Kaminsky on the roster. I don't have much faith in our scouts, they're terrible and leftovers from the Blanks regime, namely John Treloar who was responsible for drafting Markieff Morris and Kendall Marshall. And don't say "no one knew Kawhi would be this good" because I did and I can remember that many others felt the same. I thought he was going to be the second coming of Shawn Marion or Gerald Wallace and I expected him to go in the top 5, when he dropped to us and we passed I was appalled.

Luckily, Treloar was hired away by LSU, but he will remain with the Suns until the conclusion of the 2015 draft. I sincerely hope he doesn't mess this up. I can't believe McD hasn't fired this guy yet. He freaking drafted Markieff over Leonard, planned to trade a future first for Marcus on draft night, and drafted Kendall Marshall.

Agreed on Kieff. Who ya got for this draft's must draft if he drops down?

Myles Turner, Stanley Johnson, or Trey Lyles.

[RaisingArizona]

Guys, I get that Leonard is good but you all act like he's the second coming of Jordan and Kieff is a bench warmer.

[bwgood77]

C'mon guys, we don't need to trade up into the top 6. I am fully confident the lottery Gods will finally reward us with a top 3 pick.

You sound like that Espo dude. He's the only person I know that is talking like the Suns have any realistic chance of landing a top 3 pick.

all i'm saying is that i never seen bwgood77 and Espo in the same room....

I don't know who Espo is, but I was saying that tongue in cheek. I know the odds.

[drewsprocket]

we can't afford to let those type of players slip.

[SUN]

Trading up using Bledsoe would be a good idea IMO. Would finally allows us to get into the full rebuild.

[Revived]

He's drawn comparisons to Klay Thompson due to his shooting ability & height. I honestly wouldn't mind him if it meant either Knight or Bledsoe aren't returning.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'd take him regardless, but I don't think he'll be available where we pick.

I think one of Turner, Oubre or Lyles will slide to us. We might look to trade down if that happens - maybe for Bobby Portis. Or hell, maybe we'll take Bobby Portis. A Taj Gibson-type isn't the caliber of player you'd hope for with a lotto pick, but if he can hit the NBA three, he'll be terrific.

[bwgood77]

People will love Chad Ford's new list of how he thinks the draft would play out in a manner that would be best for every team...

Phoenix Suns

Needs: backup C, backup PG

Round 1 (13) Cameron Payne, PG, So., Murray State
Round 2 (44) Timothe Luwawu, SF, France

Analysis: Another point guard? With Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight already on the roster? Hear me out. Both Bledsoe and Knight are really 2-guards in point guard bodies. They'll work well together and will get a ton of minutes playing both guard spots. But Payne is more of a pure point guard and frankly, sees the floor better than both of them. I love him and I think you take the best talent on the board -- especially with Knight a free agent and the long-term results of this experiment still very much up in the air. Long-term, the Suns will need help to back them up anyway. Remember they traded away Goran Dragic, Isaiah Thomas and Tyler Ennis at the trade deadline and only brought in Knight in return. They could choose to re-sign Kendall Marshall this summer, but I think Payne is a much better long-term solution. As for Luwawu, he's a draft-and-stash pick who's got the athleticism to play in the league someday if his skill set ever catches up.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2015/inside ... -nba-draft

He also has Myles Turner going 6th and Stanley Johnson going 15th, Kaminsky 17th.

It's not really a mock...just what he thinks teams should do.

[Mr-Al]

People will love Chad Ford's new list of how he thinks the draft would play out in a manner that would be best for every team...

Phoenix Suns

Needs: backup C, backup PG

Round 1 (13) Cameron Payne, PG, So., Murray State
Round 2 (44) Timothe Luwawu, SF, France

Analysis: Another point guard? With Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight already on the roster? Hear me out. Both Bledsoe and Knight are really 2-guards in point guard bodies. They'll work well together and will get a ton of minutes playing both guard spots. But Payne is more of a pure point guard and frankly, sees the floor better than both of them. I love him and I think you take the best talent on the board -- especially with Knight a free agent and the long-term results of this experiment still very much up in the air. Long-term, the Suns will need help to back them up anyway. Remember they traded away Goran Dragic, Isaiah Thomas and Tyler Ennis at the trade deadline and only brought in Knight in return. They could choose to re-sign Kendall Marshall this summer, but I think Payne is a much better long-term solution. As for Luwawu, he's a draft-and-stash pick who's got the athleticism to play in the league someday if his skill set ever catches up.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2015/inside ... -nba-draft

He also has Myles Turner going 6th and Stanley Johnson going 15th, Kaminsky 17th.

It's not really a mock...just what he thinks teams should do.

**** Chad Ford.

[Mr-Al]

He's drawn comparisons to Klay Thompson due to his shooting ability & height. I honestly wouldn't mind him if it meant either Knight or Bledsoe aren't returning.

Amen

[Mr-Al]

Trading up using Bledsoe would be a good idea IMO. Would finally allows us to get into the full rebuild.

agreed

[Mr-Al]

Guys, I get that Leonard is good but you all act like he's the second coming of Jordan and Kieff is a bench warmer.

I don't know if he should warm it, but Kieff should ideally be coming off the bench

[bwgood77]

He's drawn comparisons to Klay Thompson due to his shooting ability & height. I honestly wouldn't mind him if it meant either Knight or Bledsoe aren't returning.

Amen

I wouldn't totally mind him. Have him play 16 minutes with Knight and 16 with Bledsoe and then they can play the other 16 together. Goodwin hasn't shown us too much, and he's not a true SG anyway.

[saintEscaton]

We're almost compelled to take Booker in order to complete our all-Kentucky backcourt

[kennydorglas]

If we draft Booker at #13, I'll be pissed.
You just dont draft these type of players early, people overvalue shooting skill BADLY.
You need to pair shooting w/ another elite skill: athleticism (Lillard), ballhandling (Curry) or defense (Klay)

Unfortunately, Booker doesnt have any on those traits.

That's why I'm so high on RJ Hunter (defense). He already has it.

Just take a look on young stars in this league: Middleton, Butler, Kawhi, Draymond, Wiggins. What they all have in common? DE-FEN-SE and eventually they learned how to shoot. Maybe they wont learn it at all (Rondo), but maybe they become Westbrook's and Kawhi's

[MrMiyagi]

People will love Chad Ford's new list of how he thinks the draft would play out in a manner that would be best for every team...

Phoenix Suns

Needs: backup C, backup PG

Round 1 (13) Cameron Payne, PG, So., Murray State
Round 2 (44) Timothe Luwawu, SF, France

Analysis: Another point guard? With Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight already on the roster? Hear me out. Both Bledsoe and Knight are really 2-guards in point guard bodies. They'll work well together and will get a ton of minutes playing both guard spots. But Payne is more of a pure point guard and frankly, sees the floor better than both of them. I love him and I think you take the best talent on the board -- especially with Knight a free agent and the long-term results of this experiment still very much up in the air. Long-term, the Suns will need help to back them up anyway. Remember they traded away Goran Dragic, Isaiah Thomas and Tyler Ennis at the trade deadline and only brought in Knight in return. They could choose to re-sign Kendall Marshall this summer, but I think Payne is a much better long-term solution. As for Luwawu, he's a draft-and-stash pick who's got the athleticism to play in the league someday if his skill set ever catches up.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2015/inside ... -nba-draft

He also has Myles Turner going 6th and Stanley Johnson going 15th, Kaminsky 17th.

It's not really a mock...just what he thinks teams should do.

Stanimal at 15? No way we don't take him if he's available.

[bwgood77]

Stanimal at 15? No way we don't take him if he's available.

and RHJ at 16, but it's not really a mock...here is what he said before making his picks:

Every year I produce roughly 12 Big Boards and seven to eight Mock Drafts as a way of reporting how NBA scouts and GMs rank various players in the draft (Big Board) and what each individual team is thinking about doing with their draft picks (Mock Draft). Both are reported pieces that examine what NBA teams think, and what they're likely to do.

My opinion typically doesn't come into play until after the draft is over, when I produce my annual Draft Grades column. It's the first take of the year, from me, on who I actually liked and didn't like in the draft.

This year, my editors asked me to try something a little different. My NFL draft counterpart Mel Kiper produced a Grade A Mock Draft last month, playing the role of GM for all 30 teams and taking what he believed to be the best possible player and fit for each team. In other words, it was what every team would have to do to earn an "A" grade from Kiper.

While I don't have Kiper's hair (or much hair at all, for that matter) or longevity (he's been doing this for 30 years -- I've been covering the NBA draft for ESPN since 2001), I agreed to give it a shot this year.

No sources. No anonymous GMs whispering in my ear. My take for all 30 teams, roughly seven weeks before the draft.

Per Kiper's piece, please read the ground rules for this sort of mock:

1. At each slot, I make a pick in the best interest of only the team with the pick.I won't pass on a player at No. 4 just because I like the team fit better at No. 5.

2. No trades unless they've already been established as of today.

3. Team needs are taken into account; however, value can and often will supersede need. If there's clearly a best player available on the board, I won't pass on him just to fill a need.

Again: I'm not reporting or predicting who will go where. This is my opinion about what should happen. Not what will happen.

Below is a team-by-team look, as well as a pick-by-pick version so you can see how the order of the picks progressed and get an idea of who was off the board when each team selected.

[bwgood77]

If we draft Booker at #13, I'll be pissed.
You just dont draft these type of players early, people overvalue shooting skill BADLY.
You need to pair shooting w/ another elite skill: athleticism (Lillard), ballhandling (Curry) or defense (Klay)

Unfortunately, Booker doesnt have any on those traits.

That's why I'm so high on RJ Hunter (defense). He already has it.

Just take a look on young stars in this league: Middleton, Butler, Kawhi, Draymond, Wiggins. What they all have in common? DE-FEN-SE and eventually they learned how to shoot. Maybe they wont learn it at all (Rondo), but maybe they become Westbrook's and Kawhi's

Yeah, I want a big and maybe Tyler Harvey later. He is probably a better shooter anyway. He shot 43% from 3 as a freshman and junior, and 41% as a soph, and likely had more double teams being the main man, while Booker was always wide open playing with a bunch of stars. Here is a side by side comparison. I couldn't find RJ Hunter on that site though.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compar ... =2014-2015