Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[RunDogGun]

Absolutely no need to trade Markieff right now. He is still the best PF we have, and unless we get a star in return, any trade will most likely be a negative one in terms of value.

Keep Keef, grab Anderson for as little as possible, sign Knight, and get as many guys in the gym as you can. Fill out the roster with cheap deals, and if we can get a decent player for the Goran exception and maybe a second rounder, then do that.

[Revived]

I don't know about yall but I'm down to keep Kieff in a bench role. He can destroy most back up bigs in the NBA as he showed in '13-'14.

Plus I wanna see if his knuckle head behavior is gone since Marcus is gone.

I don't like the idea of trading him for the sake of it since we traded Marcus.

I think if Kieff argued with Hornacek, it was probably because he wanted to play more in the post but Hornacek forced him into Frye "camp out at the 3pt line" role.

[RaisingArizona]

Sometimes a guy can play better mad. Let's wait and see how Kieff handles it. At the worst, we deal at the deadline, not now. He's still young and has got better each year.

[RunDogGun]

This board is super obsessed with Ryan Anderson and trying to find ways to trade Markieff lol. SMH

I'm not obsessed with him, but if NO wants to get rid of salary, it's really our best move, and we don't have to trade Markieff to get him (again, if NO wants to dump salary). But if NO didn't want to dump, then there isn't a point to giving up much to get Ryan.

Side note: I don't see the point in getting Mo, didn't we learn from last offseason grabbing a ball dominant guard to come off the bench? Good idea, but we know that it will most likely have the same result.

[jcsunsfan]

I don't know about yall but I'm down to keep Kieff in a bench role. He can destroy most back up bigs in the NBA as he showed in '13-'14.

Plus I wanna see if his knuckle head behavior is gone since Marcus is gone.

I don't like the idea of trading him for the sake of it since we traded Marcus.

I think if Kieff argued with Hornacek, it was probably because he wanted to play more in the post but Hornacek forced him into Frye "camp out at the 3pt line" role.

OK. Taking a breath. Can't believe I am about to say. . . I agree with SF88. I think it might be time to see about Kieff. If we can find a better PF fine, but this is not a time to dump him for the sake of doing so.

[SkinnyOMiller]

As much as I have believed Gambo for many years, he has not broken one trade or free agent signing for the Suns since McDonough has arrived. I have no doubt the Suns will look hard into replacing Markieff Morris regardless of Gambo's reporting that he will stay. In addition, Gambo never said one word about Tyson Chandler and the Suns signed him. That was a complete surprise and came out of nowhere. I keep saying it. I expect the next move the Suns make will surprise everyone. That is how McDonough works. He has a flair for the dramatic.

Yep. Gambo "broke" the Aldridge signing about 15 minutes after everybody else.

I don't think Gambo has the inside knowledge anymore

Suns have two things to do before Thursday:
1) trade Markieff. Cannot trust how childish he wll behave without Mook
2) use some, if not all, of the cap space, pre signing Knight. It would be a waste to waste that 6-8m dollars of cap space

I still want Amare as a back up 4 but more than that - Mo Williams as your guy off the bench

I would try to do a trade with the Knicks and give them Markieff and/or Tucker for Porzingis. They are stupid enough to give Robin Lopez 4 years, 54 million. No doubt they are stupid enough do anything. Signing Lopez to that kind of money is like throwing it into a trash can. He is legitimately awful. After the Suns trade Markieff and Tucker to the Knicks for Porzingis and 5 draft picks (is five enough to ask the Knicks or am I selling the Suns short), sign Amare and a backup pg like you said.

Like it or not, that is the going rate for contracts. Don't think the Knicks overpaid much for a starting center.

[RaisingArizona]

This board is super obsessed with Ryan Anderson and trying to find ways to trade Markieff lol. SMH

I'm not obsessed with him, but if NO wants to get rid of salary, it's really our best move, and we don't have to trade Markieff to get him (again, if NO wants to dump salary). But if NO didn't want to dump, then there isn't a point to giving up much to get Ryan.

Side note: I don't see the point in getting Mo, didn't we learn from last offseason grabbing a ball dominant guard to come off the bench? Good idea, but we know that it will most likely have the same result.

HAHA. I know it would be a good move if they want to salary dump. It's just funny how every season his name get brought up around here. I think he'd be a nice backup but no way he's better than Kieff.

Edit: I'd rather Ish than Mo. Just a guy to distribute and push the ball is all we need.

[Revived]

David West will sign with San Antonio for Vet minimum. Leaves 10.5 Million on the table. Wow

[letsgosuns]

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I am not a bitter person, but I have never wanted the Spurs to not win the championship more than I do right now. Usually I do not care at all who wins the championship if the Suns are not involved but not this year. It reminds me of when the Lakers signed Malone and Payton. Why don't the Spurs just get every single player that has any game left and collectively give them 100 dollars. This is so stupid. You got a player like Duncan playing for basically nothing and other players on the team signing for below market value while a player like Kobe Bryant is signed for 25 million a year and has barely played in two seasons. The league stopped the Chris Paul trade a few years ago. Why don't they step in here and do something. This is beyond not fair. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. When the cap goes crazy next year, all the mid-market and small market teams will be completely screwed. No parody in the league at all anymore. You either have a superstar or you have nothing.

[RaisingArizona]

David West will sign with San Antonio for Vet minimum. Leaves 10.5 Million on the table. Wow

Reminds me of that stacked Lakers team that lost to the Pistons in 04.

[saintEscaton]

You can include me in the camp of Kieff haters but even I am reasonable enough to accept the sad reality that he has the starting position locked down with no serious competition and thus we probably shouldn't look to dump him. Give him a half season to prove that he won't be a team cancer/butthurt over being deemed expendable/ withdrawal from twin seperation . But he will probably get some leeway to avoid alienating him any further. I really don't see him growing into any thing more than what he already is even if has a miraculous attitude adjustment. Then his best case scenario would be to accept a role as a insta offense sixth man since he is really wannabe SG in a PF's body who solely relies on his midrange game that doesn't extend beyond the arc. Yes and I am sure teams are just dying to trade us their emerging/disgruntled star for Kieff because he has the potential to be a Top 10 PF

[letsgosuns]

You can include me in the camp of Kieff haters but even I am reasonable enough to accept the sad reality that he has the starting position locked down with no serious competition and thus we probably shouldn't look to dump him. Give him a half season to prove that he won't be a team cancer/butthurt over being deemed expendable/ withdrawal from twin seperation . But he will probably get some leeway to avoid alienating him any further. I really don't see him growing into any thing more than what he is now even he has a miracolous attitude adjustment. Yes and I am sure teams are just dying to trade us their emerging/disgruntled star for Kieff because he has the potential to be a Top 10 PF

Exactly how I feel. I still hope they trade him and get a good power forward to replace him but who knows if that will happen. If he does not play well and/or get his attitude together, I picture the Suns doing one of two things. Either going real small with Tucker or Warren at the power forward spot a lot while Chandler or Len play center or the Suns going real big with Chandler and Len at the same time against bigger teams. Both of those lineups could work.

[In Len We Trust]

I think keeping Markieff will cause more harm than good. If we were contenders then I would want to keep him, but this is still a rebuild. We don't need any garbage to get in the way of what we are trying to make. The only question is who we should get. It must be a young PF.

Terrence Jones and Derrick Favors are the 2 that stand out to me. Keef/top 10 protected 1st or Keef/Booker should be enough for Jones. Favors would be tough to get for sure, but we could clear up a ton of space by throwing in Bledsoe.

[RaisingArizona]

I think keeping Markieff will cause more harm than good. If we were contenders then I would want to keep him, but this is still a rebuild. We don't need any garbage to get in the way of what we are trying to make. The only question is who we should get. It must be a young PF.

Terrence Jones and Derrick Favors are the 2 that stand out to me. Keef/top 10 protected 1st or Keef/Booker should be enough for Jones. Favors would be tough to get for sure, but we could clear up a ton of space by throwing in Bledsoe.

Why would we trade Booker already? A rebuild and you want to trade an 18 year old with a lot of upside?

[In Len We Trust]

I think keeping Markieff will cause more harm than good. If we were contenders then I would want to keep him, but this is still a rebuild. We don't need any garbage to get in the way of what we are trying to make. The only question is who we should get. It must be a young PF.

Terrence Jones and Derrick Favors are the 2 that stand out to me. Keef/top 10 protected 1st or Keef/Booker should be enough for Jones. Favors would be tough to get for sure, but we could clear up a ton of space by throwing in Bledsoe.

Why would we trade Booker already? A rebuild and you want to trade an 18 year old with a lot of upside?

I was just listing what it would take to get that trade done. You have to understand that Keefs value is lower than it should be because of his attitude. I would personally prefer Keef and a top 10 protected pick for Jones.

[saintEscaton]

I think keeping Markieff will cause more harm than good. If we were contenders then I would want to keep him, but this is still a rebuild. We don't need any garbage to get in the way of what we are trying to make. The only question is who we should get. It must be a young PF.

Terrence Jones and Derrick Favors are the 2 that stand out to me. Keef/top 10 protected 1st or Keef/Booker should be enough for Jones. Favors would be tough to get for sure, but we could clear up a ton of space by throwing in Bledsoe.

Why would we trade Booker already? A rebuild and you want to trade an 18 year old with a lot of upside?

Weren't the Rockets trying to give away TJones on draft night for pennies on the dollar in an attempt to clear cap ? Well guess they didn't have any takers even if they supposedly offered their first pick for someone to take him off their hands. I personally think he is a scumbag (that homeless man beating incident) and now the Rockets realize they still need him with DMo being injury prone and J-Smoove possibly signing elsewhere. But I would give up the farm for Favors. Might be our only shot at acquiring one of the league's premier two-way players at a premium position. And he isn't a free agent until 2018 when he will be reupped and is still on a bargain contract well below the max.

[bwgood77]

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I am not a bitter person, but I have never wanted the Spurs to not win the championship more than I do right now. Usually I do not care at all who wins the championship if the Suns are not involved but not this year. It reminds me of when the Lakers signed Malone and Payton. Why don't the Spurs just get every single player that has any game left and collectively give them 100 dollars. This is so stupid. You got a player like Duncan playing for basically nothing and other players on the team signing for below market value while a player like Kobe Bryant is signed for 25 million a year and has barely played in two seasons. The league stopped the Chris Paul trade a few years ago. Why don't they step in here and do something. This is beyond not fair. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. When the cap goes crazy next year, all the mid-market and small market teams will be completely screwed. No parody in the league at all anymore. You either have a superstar or you have nothing.

I agree. I can't believe they have David freakin West coming off the bench.

My most satisfying basketball moment of the last 5 years has been when they blew game six to Miami in the finals.

Like I mentioned in another post, the last time it hurt to lose a free agent this much it was McDyess, and he immediately got injured and was never the same player.

I don't hope for anyone to get injured, but they can't keep having all the good fortune come their way.

[bwgood77]

David West will sign with San Antonio for Vet minimum. Leaves 10.5 Million on the table. Wow

Reminds me of that stacked Lakers team that lost to the Pistons in 04.

How about that stacked Lakers team from 2 years ago?

[BobbieL]

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I am not a bitter person, but I have never wanted the Spurs to not win the championship more than I do right now. Usually I do not care at all who wins the championship if the Suns are not involved but not this year. It reminds me of when the Lakers signed Malone and Payton. Why don't the Spurs just get every single player that has any game left and collectively give them 100 dollars. This is so stupid. You got a player like Duncan playing for basically nothing and other players on the team signing for below market value while a player like Kobe Bryant is signed for 25 million a year and has barely played in two seasons. The league stopped the Chris Paul trade a few years ago. Why don't they step in here and do something. This is beyond not fair. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. When the cap goes crazy next year, all the mid-market and small market teams will be completely screwed. No parody in the league at all anymore. You either have a superstar or you have nothing.

I agree. I can't believe they have David freakin West coming off the bench.

My most satisfying basketball moment of the last 5 years has been when they blew game six to Miami in the finals.

Like I mentioned in another post, the last time it hurt to lose a free agent this much it was McDyess, and he immediately got injured and was never the same player.

I don't hope for anyone to get injured, but they can't keep having all the good fortune come their way.

Added: Aldrige - big plus; David West - good move but he is also chasing a ring.
Losses: Belinelli, Splitter, Joseph, Baynes - I think I am missing one more guy

I think overall - the SPurs will be a better team but they have lost a lot of depth. Finally, bringing back Manu is more loyalty than smarts. He is done.

I don't think they win the title. Its got one good run in them - better make it count.

[lilfishi22]

I'd rather keep Kieff rather than trade him for Anderson. I think Anderson is a fine player and we could've used him last season but considering our PF depth, I actually think Kieff gives us a more versatile look offensively.

If our front office don't think Kieff can focus without his brother on the same team then by all means, trade him for a guy that could help us and is still relatively young. But that would be the only reason I'd explore a Kieff trade.