Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[cberry78]

How about:

Bledsoe + 2018 MIA pick

for

Frye, Shumpert + 2018 Nets pick?

Maybe switch IT for Frye to address the Suns PG needs.

[jredsaz]

How about:

Bledsoe + 2018 MIA pick

for

Frye, Shumpert + 2018 Nets pick?

Maybe switch IT for Frye to address the Suns PG needs.

Love that but Bledsoe can't be the centerpiece for the Nets pick. Won't happen.

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[BobbieL]

How about:

Bledsoe + 2018 MIA pick

for

Frye, Shumpert + 2018 Nets pick?

Maybe switch IT for Frye to address the Suns PG needs.

I doubt the Cavs give up that Nets pick as it seems like they can possibly get more than Bledsoe for it - but I would do that deal in a heartbeat - and wouldn't have a problem taking on all three as well. Suns could take on all three deals if Len is renounced or signs his QO.

I am not sure adding IT addresses the Suns PG needs because he is hurt and would probably not be happy about being back in Phoenix. But if healthy Thomas for Beverly?

[jredsaz]

Going back and fourth on Bledsoe. If we keep him we win more games and probably drop our draft pick to the 4-8 range. BUT we have an opportunity to grab Cousins in free agency. Cousins want to play with Bledsoe. I think he is as good as ours so long as the Pels don't make a playoff run.

Bad news is that we would have to enter another negotiation with Rich Paul and the scorched earth Klutch Sports. He will hold us over a barrel knowing that Cousins wants Bled and we would want to keep Cousins happy. We don't get a Kyle Lowery deal, 3/$100. We will get raked over the coals. But we will have a much better team for it.

Trading Bledsoe in a Thomas or something similar I think guarantees us a bottom 3 record. Porter and Bagley look like franchise players. That's pretty enticing. We don't win for another two to three seasons but when we do it's organic and we should be able to sustain it longer given decent health and good decisions in the draft.

Anyway. I am torn. Don't know which way I want to go.

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[DirtyDez]

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[jcsunsfan]

I am getting tired of this. There will always be a "pie in the sky" next draft that boasts bloated promises of coming superstars. Perpetual tanking for the sake of adding teenage talent is tasteless to me. If you have to be rebuild, do so. But don't forget the "build part." Hit bottom and move up. Don't stay there.

[King4Day]

Cavs want the Nets pick so they can have a future post-LeBron. Bledsoe isn't close to being worth the Nets pick so we need to put that idea to bed.

[Kerrsed]

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Thats interesting.

The reports of the Cav's wanting a late 1st or early 2nd round pick to finish the deal are said to be BS, and if thats all it would take than the deal would be done by now as the Celtics wouldnt let something so minute stop this trade. So there is definitely something bigger going on on.

IT trying to save his future by telling Woj that his injury isnt that bad, and when he eventually comes back to play (After the season already started), he will be his old normal self. Just what i would expect a injured first year all-star FA to say. The team that he played the best for dropped him and reported didnt want to pay him, and now the team that traded for him is also having second thoughts.

As for that tweet, who knows, maybe McD is throwing a wrench in it. I mean Lebron cant be happy that Thomas wont be ready to start the season, so playing for a few months, then trying to incorporate a new starting PG into things could mess with the team/flow. I saw one Boston fan say that even if IT doesnt play next season, their offer is still better than any others. I dont think thats is true on bit.

And once again we are getting dragged back into the trade name game.

[cberry78]

How about:

Bledsoe + 2018 MIA pick

for

Frye, Shumpert + 2018 Nets pick?

Maybe switch IT for Frye to address the Suns PG needs.

I doubt the Cavs give up that Nets pick as it seems like they can possibly get more than Bledsoe for it - but I would do that deal in a heartbeat - and wouldn't have a problem taking on all three as well. Suns could take on all three deals if Len is renounced or signs his QO.

I am not sure adding IT addresses the Suns PG needs because he is hurt and would probably not be happy about being back in Phoenix. But if healthy Thomas for Beverly?

You're absolutely right, the original idea was to exchange PG's AND taking on the salary dumps from Cleveland (Frye/Shump) while switching first round picks. Any "capologists" out there willing to run the numbers on what kind of tax savings that would be for Gilbert? Does that kind of savings make it worth switching to a lower pick?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Going back and fourth on Bledsoe. If we keep him we win more games and probably drop our draft pick to the 4-8 range. BUT we have an opportunity to grab Cousins in free agency. Cousins want to play with Bledsoe. I think he is as good as ours so long as the Pels don't make a playoff run.

Bad news is that we would have to enter another negotiation with Rich Paul and the scorched earth Klutch Sports. He will hold us over a barrel knowing that Cousins wants Bled and we would want to keep Cousins happy. We don't get a Kyle Lowery deal, 3/$100. We will get raked over the coals. But we will have a much better team for it.

Trading Bledsoe in a Thomas or something similar I think guarantees us a bottom 3 record. Porter and Bagley look like franchise players. That's pretty enticing. We don't win for another two to three seasons but when we do it's organic and we should be able to sustain it longer given decent health and good decisions in the draft.

Anyway. I am torn. Don't know which way I want to go.

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Better isn't always best. Best is adding another top talent in the draft, no question. I agree that trading Bled would probably lose us more games, but losing more games doesn't necessarily mean you get a better pick, and getting a better pick doesn't necessarily mean you get a better player... Bled is of sufficient quality and our assets sufficiently diversified that I would not feel any pressure to sell quickly or to sell low. Besides, our best player at the 4/5 is currently Alan Williams. When I compare that to the rest of the western conference, I don't imagine we're in danger of falling out of the lottery.

This year is all about Josh Jackson. That's the jersey I'll buy, the player I'll buy the expensive seats to see. I won't be at all shocked if he and Booker lead the team in minutes this season. I won't be shocked, furthermore, if those two are able to keep us out of the cellar this season... but if that's the case, one can't help but admit that that would be the best imaginable reason not to land near the top of the lottery.

So I'm not so torn. I'm cool with how things stand.

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[alphagorilla]

Going back and fourth on Bledsoe. If we keep him we win more games and probably drop our draft pick to the 4-8 range. BUT we have an opportunity to grab Cousins in free agency. Cousins want to play with Bledsoe. I think he is as good as ours so long as the Pels don't make a playoff run.

Bad news is that we would have to enter another negotiation with Rich Paul and the scorched earth Klutch Sports. He will hold us over a barrel knowing that Cousins wants Bled and we would want to keep Cousins happy. We don't get a Kyle Lowery deal, 3/$100. We will get raked over the coals. But we will have a much better team for it.

Trading Bledsoe in a Thomas or something similar I think guarantees us a bottom 3 record. Porter and Bagley look like franchise players. That's pretty enticing. We don't win for another two to three seasons but when we do it's organic and we should be able to sustain it longer given decent health and good decisions in the draft.

Anyway. I am torn. Don't know which way I want to go.

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I keep reading if we keep Bledsoe we're front runners for Cousins. I know these two are friends but for Boogie to leave a better team next year and leave millions on the table just to play ball with his college buddy who might leave within a year is ludacris.

I like Boogie and did root for him to be treated here last year but with no Kyrie or any other star power he wont come. Booker would have be a monster next year and make the allstar team for him to come here.

[bwgood77]

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Thats interesting.

The reports of the Cav's wanting a late 1st or early 2nd round pick to finish the deal are said to be BS, and if thats all it would take than the deal would be done by now as the Celtics wouldnt let something so minute stop this trade. So there is definitely something bigger going on on.

IT trying to save his future by telling Woj that his injury isnt that bad, and when he eventually comes back to play (After the season already started), he will be his old normal self. Just what i would expect a injured first year all-star FA to say. The team that he played the best for dropped him and reported didnt want to pay him, and now the team that traded for him is also having second thoughts.

As for that tweet, who knows, maybe McD is throwing a wrench in it. I mean Lebron cant be happy that Thomas wont be ready to start the season, so playing for a few months, then trying to incorporate a new starting PG into things could mess with the team/flow. I saw one Boston fan say that even if IT doesnt play next season, their offer is still better than any others. I dont think thats is true on bit.

And once again we are getting dragged back into the trade name game.

I think I'll trust WOJ here. I've always thought this whole thing is Altman being a little too greedy and maybe making a rookie mistake that could have backfired..may still. Just trying to squeeze more out of this thing when they already got the better end of the deal. My guess is it'll be done fairly soon.

Any you mention we are getting dragged back into the trade name game? By who? Just by random posters on realgm?

[jredsaz]

Going back and fourth on Bledsoe. If we keep him we win more games and probably drop our draft pick to the 4-8 range. BUT we have an opportunity to grab Cousins in free agency. Cousins want to play with Bledsoe. I think he is as good as ours so long as the Pels don't make a playoff run.

Bad news is that we would have to enter another negotiation with Rich Paul and the scorched earth Klutch Sports. He will hold us over a barrel knowing that Cousins wants Bled and we would want to keep Cousins happy. We don't get a Kyle Lowery deal, 3/$100. We will get raked over the coals. But we will have a much better team for it.

Trading Bledsoe in a Thomas or something similar I think guarantees us a bottom 3 record. Porter and Bagley look like franchise players. That's pretty enticing. We don't win for another two to three seasons but when we do it's organic and we should be able to sustain it longer given decent health and good decisions in the draft.

Anyway. I am torn. Don't know which way I want to go.

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I keep reading if we keep Bledsoe we're front runners for Cousins. I know these two are friends but for Boogie to leave a better team next year and leave millions on the table just to play ball with his college buddy who might leave within a year is ludacris.

I like Boogie and did root for him to be treated here last year but with no Kyrie or any other star power he wont come. Booker would have be a monster next year and make the allstar team for him to come here.

I think next year's Suns will be better than next year's Pelicans top to bottom. And the money difference can be dealt with through a shorter initial contract. The difference in the first three years between what the Suns and Pels can offer is minimal. Signing one year deals with a player option like LeBron and Durrant can maximize a players earning potential and give them flexibility. As a super star player, I would rather have seven or eight years of 35% max money than five.

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[darealjuice]

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Implying Danny Ainge doesn't do the same **** lol. That's Boston sports fans for ya though.

[DirtyDez]

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Thats interesting.

The reports of the Cav's wanting a late 1st or early 2nd round pick to finish the deal are said to be BS, and if thats all it would take than the deal would be done by now as the Celtics wouldnt let something so minute stop this trade. So there is definitely something bigger going on on.

IT trying to save his future by telling Woj that his injury isnt that bad, and when he eventually comes back to play (After the season already started), he will be his old normal self. Just what i would expect a injured first year all-star FA to say. The team that he played the best for dropped him and reported didnt want to pay him, and now the team that traded for him is also having second thoughts.

As for that tweet, who knows, maybe McD is throwing a wrench in it. I mean Lebron cant be happy that Thomas wont be ready to start the season, so playing for a few months, then trying to incorporate a new starting PG into things could mess with the team/flow. I saw one Boston fan say that even if IT doesnt play next season, their offer is still better than any others. I dont think thats is true on bit.

And once again we are getting dragged back into the trade name game.

Ainge was willing to overpay b/c he's eyeing the Finals next year IMO. He knows the IT drama won't help Cleveland's chances along with the "will Lebron leave" distractions". It could be a repeat of the 09-10' season for Cleveland where everyone checked out come playoff time.

Altman shouldn't have made a stink b/c the BRK pick is the prize. I wouldn't care much about IT's short or longterm outlook. A 30 year old 5'"9 player who relies on quickness with hip issues will never be the same going forward. Ainge is going to call their bluff and add nothing.

[jredsaz]

What is the Suns equivelant offer at this point?

Bledsoe, Dudley, Suns 2018?
Bledseo > Thomas
Dudley < Crowder
Suns 1st < Nets 1st (But very close)

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[AtheJ415]

There is no circumstance involving Kyrie in which we should be including our 1st rounder unless it is heavily protected (at least top 7).

[Kerrsed]

Any you mention we are getting dragged back into the trade name game? By who? Just by random posters on realgm?

No, im referring to the verified twitter post. James Stewart isnt a random RealGM poster, but rather a Boston area Sports reporter (along with Executive Producer of Felger and Mazz on 98.5 the Sports Hub and CBSBostonSports.com Contributor). Our name has been pretty much out of it until his reference to us today.

[jredsaz]

There is no circumstance involving Kyrie in which we should be including our 1st rounder unless it is heavily protected (at least top 7).

Top 7? That's high.

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