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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I'm telling you guys, Watch this kid carefully. Golden State knows what they're doing. This kid can be another Duncan Robinson. He is yet another great prospect that we apparently whiffed on here in the 2nd round.
Buddy! That was an L! But Ayton is one of the besst defensive players in the NBA already. Im not going to cancel him because he went for what will be a generational big over Luka. It was a bad decision but Ayton will be a HOF center.AtheJ415 wrote:jredsaz wrote:Youre acting like Jones doesn't have a roster and a timeliness. You miss context. If this was a 20 win team with no potential star I believe Jones would have a different draft strategyAtheJ415 wrote:
1. $8.5 Mil guaranteed hitting the cap for Jalen.
2. Yes, it universally is. The draft has (FOR YEARS, because scouting happens more than just the year before), been considered as having strength in the middle and in its depth. There was no top, but that has nothing to do with depth. Many people liked the middle and bottom of this draft for value.
2b, Because you misnumbered: I have never contended we didn't want Smith so no idea what you are talking about. I know we were high on Bane and Kira and some others because we worked them out and interviewed them. Our head coach flew to their school.
3. What I stated, if you'd read it, is that Jones wouldn't have drafted Luka, because he did not do the vast majority of things Jones values. Jackson (coming out of school) screams as the guy Jones would have taken. A defender who shoots 3s and can pass. That's what Jackson was supposed to be.
4. There have been studies done. The safe guys you value are a dime a dozen and can be had at the vet minimum. Going for the stars is the statistically best way to draft. And again, you are describing exactly what I stated with point 3. We would not have taken Luka, or Booker, or hell even Amare, under Jones. And we're supposed to see that as a good thing so long as we have a team of Danny Green 3 & D players? Okay...
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Jones was the assistant GM the owner had hired to take over for the current GM. If he felt strongly that Luka was the guy, you think he wouldn't have told Sarver to do it? Because I think he had Sarver's ear much more than McD at that point, and Ayton was not a star potential rookie because his D was still struggling. So he kind of did walk into exactly the situation you're describing except that he did have Booker. This league is about stars. The superteams win. For context, you need a number of all stars to win in this league. The role players are easy to find to play at the minimum and ring chase once you have the stars. Those 20 players are all that really moves the needle in any significant way.
bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I'm telling you guys, Watch this kid carefully. Golden State knows what they're doing. This kid can be another Duncan Robinson. He is yet another great prospect that we apparently whiffed on here in the 2nd round.
How do you whiff on a pick you don't have? Or are you saying they should put $3 million on red, or I mean Justinian Jessup, and hope he hits?
100% agree that there is value left on our draft boardAtheJ415 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I'm telling you guys, Watch this kid carefully. Golden State knows what they're doing. This kid can be another Duncan Robinson. He is yet another great prospect that we apparently whiffed on here in the 2nd round.
Yeah. If the draft is a crapshoot excusing complaining about reaches, doesn't that mean we should be getting more picks / chances at hitting something? There is value here and we dumped it for freaking Ty Jerome and b/c our GM bungled the Josh Jackson dumping, and our owner is too cheap to buy one.
bwgood77 wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:jredsaz wrote:Youre acting like Jones doesn't have a roster and a timeliness. You miss context. If this was a 20 win team with no potential star I believe Jones would have a different draft strategy
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Jones was the assistant GM the owner had hired to take over for the current GM. If he felt strongly that Luka was the guy, you think he wouldn't have told Sarver to do it? Because I think he had Sarver's ear much more than McD at that point, and Ayton was not a star potential rookie because his D was still struggling. So he kind of did walk into exactly the situation you're describing except that he did have Booker. This league is about stars. The superteams win. For context, you need a number of all stars to win in this league. The role players are easy to find to play at the minimum and ring chase once you have the stars. Those 20 players are all that really moves the needle in any significant way.
Jones said he likes guys who can shoot and move the ball. He also likes defenders. Having played with LeBron and Nash, Luka definitely seems more like a guy he'd like than Ayton. He also went to scout him.
We won't know, so there really isn't a reason to argue about it.
Luka his more of Jones points of shooting, passing and defense than Ayton did. Ayton wasn't a shooter and is knock was defense...and of course he's not nearly the passer or shooter that Luka is...a not so insignificant number of people knocked Ayton's D as much or more than Toppin's was being knocked this year.
Kerrsed wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I'm telling you guys, Watch this kid carefully. Golden State knows what they're doing. This kid can be another Duncan Robinson. He is yet another great prospect that we apparently whiffed on here in the 2nd round.
How do you whiff on a pick you don't have? Or are you saying they should put $3 million on red, or I mean Justinian Jessup, and hope he hits?
Exactly, we arnt buying a pick, just hoping a guy we like goes undrafted.
Kerrsed wrote:Well sh*t!Spoiler:
jredsaz wrote:Literally took Jay Scrubb before Grant Riller. WTF am I missing?!
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Kerrsed wrote:Givony got faked!
bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I'm telling you guys, Watch this kid carefully. Golden State knows what they're doing. This kid can be another Duncan Robinson. He is yet another great prospect that we apparently whiffed on here in the 2nd round.
How do you whiff on a pick you don't have? Or are you saying they should put $3 million on red, or I mean Justinian Jessup, and hope he hits?
RedIndian wrote:Looks like there'll be a few interesting guys left undrafted.
Riller, Reed, Tillie, Tyshon Alexander, Nate Hinton, Reggie Perry, Naji Marshall, Dotson, Myles Powell all undrafted yet.
Kerrsed wrote:RedIndian wrote:Looks like there'll be a few interesting guys left undrafted.
Riller, Reed, Tillie, Tyshon Alexander, Nate Hinton, Reggie Perry, Naji Marshall, Dotson, Myles Powell all undrafted yet.
A couple of those names are gone, just not announced on TV yet.
Why is it that basketball guys love him but GMs apparently do not?AtheJ415 wrote:Kerrsed wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
How do you whiff on a pick you don't have? Or are you saying they should put $3 million on red, or I mean Justinian Jessup, and hope he hits?
Exactly, we arnt buying a pick, just hoping a guy we like goes undrafted.
Not buying Riller, who is one of the safest guys to help a team NOW in the entire draft, is so criminal. Hope he sells soon.
jredsaz wrote:Buy a pick Sarver!Kerrsed wrote:Well sh*t!Spoiler:
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