Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

BurningHeart · Post #661 » by **BurningHeart** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:08 pm

Nash and the Lakers could jump off the Santa Monica Pier bound together with rope for all I care.

Suns Court 23 · Post #662 » by **Suns Court 23** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:11 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:I'm assuming you guys are talking about this new Grantland piece on your private sub-board.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-ha ... the-bucks/

Well of course it's great for the Bucks cause they get a future star and only give up Henson and Knight or something worthless like that. I would rather have Bledsoe on the QO probably. You have to look at it from the other side, this is a worthless package for the Suns and most would agree.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #663 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:40 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:At this point I don't see us getting much more than the Bucks unprotected first out of this.

I don't know about the FO, but the fans would definitely not be for that. They really don't want a maxed out injury prone Bledsoe 4-5 years older than their core, especially if they had to give up a first round pick that didn't have full lotto protection. They'd prefer another lotto rookie on a rookie contract that fit in with their young team.

They'd be well-positioned to pick up a guard at the top of next year's draft, sure. For us, I just don't see very many ways to avoid the kamikaze at this point. QO seems bad for both sides.

Sunsdeuce · Post #664 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:49 pm

Just wanted to get your opinions. The bucks board/fans are a 100% sure Henson and knight are worthy assets to get Bledsoe.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1323497&start=1820

In fact if you read their trade board, they think we are delusional for not wanting Henson or knight. I just want to make sure I'm not the only one who thinks Henson and/or knight are marginal value players, not really worthy of a trade.

Question is are Henson and/or knight "fair" trade value to the suns?

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JDLAW · Post #665 » by **JDLAW** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:55 pm

Bucks fans are among the most delusional fans on this board. They glom onto any player that wants to play in their winter wonderland, because so few actually do. Henson and Knight are nearly worthless to the Suns. They'll have their orgasmic day today because a Grantland idiot wrote a blog about how nice it would be to get Bledsoe to Mil. Does anyone honestly believe Bledsoe want to play there? And does anyone honestly believe he would give them the time of day if he becomes an unrestricted free agent? - I do not.

Fo-Real · Post #666 » by **Fo-Real** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:56 pm

It is home town fan prospective.... they also say that Henson is a better C than Len and Plum...... watching my Suns I think that dude is crazy and that Henson is a pf.

Fo-Real · Post #667 » by **Fo-Real** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:01 am

I also dont think there is any way Bledso would want to play for the Sucks.......oh......I mean the bucks.

Post #668 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:12 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
Question is are Henson and/or knight "fair" trade value to the suns?

Two things:

a) The Suns aren't ever going to get fair trade value for Bledsoe. He's still a high risk guy because a 4-year max deal comes with him. The real question is can the Suns salvage the relationship w/Bledsoe on a long-term deal in the next 12-days, and if not, then what does the organization want to do. Under the second scenario, no team ever get's fair value. That is just the way the league works save for the T-Wolves who hit a one in a million jackpot with Wiggins for Love.

b) Knight isn't a bad prospect but he's not great either. I'm not going to try and oversell him to your board. He's a 6-3" combo guard of high character, decent defender but no court vision. Henson on the other hand is one of those guys whose career is going one of two ways this season. He's either going to cement his status as a journeyman center or he's going to make to leap to top-15 center. This is about the time for the die to be cast on his career and as a result he's worked on his body all summer in bulking up. Frankly at this point I'm scared for the Bucks to deal him.

Sunsdeuce · Post #669 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:20 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
Question is are Henson and/or knight "fair" trade value to the suns?

Two things:

a) The Suns aren't ever going to get fair trade value for Bledsoe. He's still a high risk guy because a 4-year max deal comes with him. The real question is can the Suns salvage the relationship w/Bledsoe on a long-term deal in the next 12-days, and if not, then what does the organization want to do. Under the second scenario, no team ever get's fair value. That is just the way the league works save for the T-Wolves who hit a one in a million jackpot with Wiggins for Love.

b) Knight isn't a bad prospect but he's not great either. I'm not going to try and oversell him to your board. He's a 6-3" combo guard of high character, decent defender but no court vision. Henson on the other hand is one of those guys whose career is going one of two ways this season. He's either going to cement his status as a journeyman center or he's going to make to leap to top-15 center. This is about the timfor the die to be cast on his career and as a result he's worked on his body all summer in bulking up. Frankly at this point I'm scared for the Bucks to deal him.

One thing here:

All of that is your opinion. Nothing more.

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Fo-Real · Post #670 » by **Fo-Real** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:28 am

The problem is if Bledso were willing to play for the bucks.... we would have heard about some contact by now. I actually like Henson but he alone isnt worth the Suns time. Knight would be slightly interesting is we were not already working on signing now a 7th guard in Zoran. Maybe get Henson and a first plus Knight going to a third team for an asset coming back..... or Knight and the first from the Bucks going to a third team for a wanted asset.

Fo-Real · Post #671 » by **Fo-Real** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:33 am

Problem is ain't no damn third team that would even want Knight. Any thoughts on a team who might even want knight at all?? Indy???? Sacto??? Who the hell would want him?

Saberestar · Post #672 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:39 am

JDLAW wrote:They'll have their orgasmic day today because a Grantland idiot wrote a blog about how nice it would be to get Bledsoe to Mil.

Post #673 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:46 am

Fo-Real wrote:Problem is ain't no damn third team that would even want Knight. Any thoughts on a team who might even want knight at all?? Indy???? Sacto??? Who the hell would want him?

If we are getting below average value, I'd like the assets we get back to at least have a market. You're right in that Knight doesn't really have a market and it would be hard to move him for something useful. Likewise with Henson.

mlloyd10 · Post #674 » by **mlloyd10** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:59 am

Like PP has mentioned, what is considered fair value for Bledsoe is unknown, but both forums have different views.

What was mentioned on our board, which make's sense is what you got for Joe Johnson: Boris Diaw, a 2006 1st round draft pick (Rajon Rondo was later selected) and a 2008 1st round draft pick (Robin Lopez was later selected). Back then draft picks weren't as valued as now.

So I think Mayo, 2015 1st and Clippers 2017 1st would be something both would be interested in

Saberestar · Post #675 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:06 am

mlloyd10 wrote:Like PP has mentioned, what is considered fair value for Bledsoe is unknown, but both forums have different views.

What was mentioned on our board, which make's sense is what you got for Joe Johnson: Boris Diaw, a 2006 1st round draft pick (Rajon Rondo was later selected) and a 2008 1st round draft pick (Robin Lopez was later selected). Back then draft picks weren't as valued as now.

So I think Mayo, 2015 1st and Clippers 2017 1st would be something both would be interested in

Mayo is not a professional basketball player anymore. He weights around 240 lbs and he is not even 6'4....no way we touch that.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #676 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:07 am

mlloyd10 wrote:I think Mayo, 2015 1st and Clippers 2017 1st would be something both would be interested in

I'd do that.

JDLAW · Post #677 » by **JDLAW** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:07 am

mlloyd10 wrote:Like PP has mentioned, what is considered fair value for Bledsoe is unknown, but both forums have different views.

What was mentioned on our board, which make's sense is what you got for Joe Johnson: Boris Diaw, a 2006 1st round draft pick (Rajon Rondo was later selected) and a 2008 1st round draft pick (Robin Lopez was later selected). Back then draft picks weren't as valued as now.

So I think Mayo, 2015 1st and Clippers 2017 1st would be something both would be interested in

Think again! No interest in either.

mlloyd10 · Post #678 » by **mlloyd10** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:13 am

Saberestar wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Like PP has mentioned, what is considered fair value for Bledsoe is unknown, but both forums have different views.

What was mentioned on our board, which make's sense is what you got for Joe Johnson: Boris Diaw, a 2006 1st round draft pick (Rajon Rondo was later selected) and a 2008 1st round draft pick (Robin Lopez was later selected). Back then draft picks weren't as valued as now.

So I think Mayo, 2015 1st and Clippers 2017 1st would be something both would be interested in

Mayo is not a professional basketball player anymore. He weights around 240 lbs and he is not even 6'4....no way we touch that.

He;s not so fat anymore

Sunsdeuce · Post #679 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:14 am

JDLAW wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Like PP has mentioned, what is considered fair value for Bledsoe is unknown, but both forums have different views.

What was mentioned on our board, which make's sense is what you got for Joe Johnson: Boris Diaw, a 2006 1st round draft pick (Rajon Rondo was later selected) and a 2008 1st round draft pick (Robin Lopez was later selected). Back then draft picks weren't as valued as now.

So I think Mayo, 2015 1st and Clippers 2017 1st would be something both would be interested in

Think again! No interest in either.

I have to agree with you law. Mayo has almost zero trade value right now. Bucks are desperate to get rid of him. I think they would be very happy to find the first team that is willing to take him.

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Fo-Real · Post #680 » by **Fo-Real** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:16 am

DUDE...... you seemed like a reasonable and sane business man slash fan from another team...... until you blatantly used the name Mayo in anything related to basketball!!!! Cant believe you slapped my mamma in the face like that!!!! How can we be friends now!?!?!? You sir go wash your mouth out!!!!