Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion

[rsavaj]

Why does everybody want Rudy Gay?

[TeamTragic]

Guys we are not trading WCS and if we give up Gay Landry has to be attached no and ifs or buts about it.

Gay/Stauskas/landry for Bledsoe/Tucker

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[letsgosuns]

Bledsoe's health? Bledsoe is uncoachable? What a joke. He had his knee surgery, came back, and has played every game since except one when he left the team to see his wife in labor. Has anyone ever heard that he is hard to coach? I do not recall one thing about that. So a rival GM brings up this garbage to drive his price down. Probably the Kings GM for all we know.

Bledsoe has two problems: Turnovers and leadership qualities. Becoming a leader is not something I expect him to turn into but I definitely think he can improve upon his turnovers.

These GM's are not giving Bledsoe any credit. Name me one point guard that is a better defender right now. Some people think he is the best shot blocking point guard of all time. He is great at getting to the hoop. His assists would be much higher if the Suns actually had wing players that could knock down shots unlike Tucker and Marcus who both suck. Bledsoe would easily be an 8-9 assists per game player if he had good shooters around him. People are forgetting that Bledsoe plays with Tucker, Marcus, and Markieff. Steve Nash had Amare, Marion, and tons of shooters everywhere. What the hell do you think Nash would be able to do with the team that Bledsoe plays with? Not much of anything. You put better talent around Bledsoe and you will see how much better he looks. I would only trade him if the Suns get a return that makes the team BETTER. Just like I said the other day. Salary dumping Bledsoe for nothing is a horrible idea.

[TeamTragic]

Bledsoe's health? Bledsoe is uncoachable? What a joke. He had his knee surgery, came back, and has played every game since except one when he left the team to see his wife in labor. Has anyone ever heard that he is hard coach? I do not recall one thing about that. So a rival GM brings up this garbage to drive his price down. Probably the Kings GM for all we know.

Bledsoe has two problems: Turnovers and leadership qualities. Becoming a leader is not something I expect him to turn into but I definitely think he can improve upon his turnovers.

These GM's are not giving Bledsoe any credit. Name me one point guard that is a better defender right now. Some people think he is the best shot blocking point guard of all time. He is great at getting to the hoop. His assists would be much higher if the Suns actually had wing players that could knock down shots unlike Tucker and Marcus who both suck. Bledsoe would easily be an 8-9 assist game player if he had good shooters around him. People are forgetting that Bledsoe plays with Tucker, Marcus, and Markieff. Steve Nash had Amare, Marion, and tons of shooters everywhere. What the hell do you think Nash would be able to to do with the team that Bledsoe plays with? Not much of anything. You put better talent around Bledsoe and you will see how much better he looks. I would only trade him if the Suns get a return that makes the team BETTER. Just like I said the other day. Salary dumping Bledsoe for nothing is a horrible idea.

Definitely agree with you. I just read this article:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2015-06-29/nba-free-agency-trade-rumor-eric-bledsoe-sacramento-kings-phoenix-suns?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

An obvious and pathetic attempt to try and devalue Bledsoe for lowball offers. What a **** joke

[Sunsdeuce]

Sean Deveney was just on Bickley and mariota. Basically he said, bledsoe trade is likely, the trade would more than likely happen after the first wave of of free agency. He said Gay is a possibility, possibly some young players, and picks. Cousins isn't obviously happening.

[movingaz]

Bledsoe $13.5 million. For Gay $12.4 million straight up.

[jcsunsfan]

I doubt they'd give us both of those guys. Probably Collison, who would be a good backup PG, and maybe a pick and a PF since they have so many.

Look at their depth chart....PG and PF are 4 deep. Every other position two deep. Andre Miller might be a good vet as well.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/sac/sacramento-kings

I'd be content with Stein and Collison. We can add more to the deal to sweeten it for them.

They are not going to trade WCS. They drafted him because Cousins wanted him badly for his rim protection and defensive abilities, since DMC is a monster on offense and rebounding.

This spoken by a GM who wants to trade for Bledsoe. Don't believe it. Just don't. And who says the Suns are trying to move him? Bad assumptions all around. I am perfectly content to keep Bledsoe, but would entertain offers if they come just because that is what a rebuilding team does.

[TeamTragic]

I'd be content with Stein and Collison. We can add more to the deal to sweeten it for them.

They are not going to trade WCS. They drafted him because Cousins wanted him badly for his rim protection and defensive abilities, since DMC is a monster on offense and rebounding.

This spoken by a GM who wants to trade for Bledsoe. Don't believe it. Just don't. And who says the Suns are trying to move him? Bad assumptions all around. I am perfectly content to keep Bledsoe, but would entertain offers if they come just because that is what a rebuilding team does.

We can always trade him after the next cap increase. I'm not sure why we are rushing to move our most valuable asset before fielding multiple offers.

[thamadkant]

Suns and Kings will be competing for a playoff spot.

I don't think McD considers them unless Kings give up a great offer.

Besides Suns trying to trade for a FA star, going to use Bledsoe and Knight tandem to sell the team. But likely will come short due to other teams simply looking more appealing.
That's when McD shops Bledsoe...

If McD decides to refresh...and Kings offer a nice package.

Bledsoe, Tucker, Morris twins
For
Gay, WCS, Landry, future pick (for taking on Landry)


Or simply Bledsoe for Gay + future pick

[Kerrsed]

Bledsoe $13.5 million. For Gay $12.4 million straight up.

No. Bledsoe holds more value than Gay. While Gay does provide some ok stats, its not nearly as good for what he is getting paid. He is seriously overpaid. SERIOUSLY. A Gay salary dump is already helping the Kings enough, and he was thrown into my trade scenario for really only 2 reasons, 1. To help even up the WCS/Bledsoe value, and 2. To make the $$$$ work.

It was also reported pre-draft that the Kings were looking at dumping his salary.

Wojnarowski reported some context in regards to the Gay rumor. I can’t say that it makes any sense whatsoever, but here it is.

Gay signed a three-year, $40 million extension that starts with the 2015-16 season, a contract that has become even more palatable to teams with the sharp rise coming in the NBA salary cap. Gay has played well in his two-plus seasons with the Kings and remains a target of interest with multiple teams, front-office executives said.

Sacramento is motivated to find a way to create more salary-cap space with possible deals, something that the Kings will need to pursue Dallas Mavericks free-agent point guard Rajon Rondo, league sources said. The Kings and Rondo have a mutual interest, with Rondo intrigued with the idea of a potential one-year deal in Sacramento that could help to rebuild his league-wide value, sources said.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/6/23/8831545/report-kings-make-rudy-gay-nik-stauskas-available

SO basically what Woj is saying is that the Kings were/are trying to salary dump Gay to have the capspace to sign Rondo. Here they salary dump Gay AND get a better PG than Rondo AND please their franchise player Cousins in the process.

Yeah, Gay can score pretty well and get a decent amount of rebounds/assists for a SF, but what makes him overpaid the most in my eyes is the fact that he is a bad defender. I mean REALLY BAD. Gay checked in with a -2.46 DRPM, 428th ranked in the league. So basically, you have to make sure there are defenders around him.

[King4Day]

Would anyone consider Rose for Bledsoe straight up if the offer was on the table?

Rose has 2 less years so if our training staff can't fix him, no big loss in terms of flexibility.

[Sunsdeuce]

Would anyone consider Rose for Bledsoe straight up if the offer was on the table?

Rose has 2 less years so if our training staff can't fix him, no big loss in terms of flexibility.

Not a fan of rose. The dude has no heart.

[Fo-Real]

Not gonna lie.... I have always liked Rudy, even when everyone hated him in Toronto. No way in hell we should give up any other good assets in that deal, like Warren. It would have to be something like Bled and Tucker (I think Tucker and Boogie are tight too), for Gay and Maclemore or someone else with some value.

[Kerrsed]

Kings owner Vivek Ranadive gave DeMarcus Cousins' agent permission to pursue a trade to the Lakers before talks fizzled out, sources told USA Today's Sam Amick.
People are going to make a way bigger deal about this than they should, at least if they're not following the right reporters out of Sacramento. Amick has a good track record and our own Aaron Bruski is on top of it, and this piece of the story goes back to Cousins' agent telling the Kings his client wanted to be traded a while back. That goes back to Pete D'Alessandro and Chris Mullin power playing the firing of Mike Malone, and the aftermath that saw PDA scramble to put his guy George Karl into the coaching seat. Karl doesn't have fans in Cousins' camp, but in reality PDA botched the situation from the start and that's when the trade request came in. Vivek has his made his share of rookie mistakes, but some of the other coordinated hit pieces on him flying around the net are designed to pry Cousins away from Sacramento.

[alldayeveryday]

Hornacek told @SiriusXMNBA that NY called about a Bledsoe trade. "Eric is a big part of our future and there was no entertainment of that.”

[SideSwipe]

I think people need to stop assuming that Bledsoe is some hot asset when it's obvious by now that he's not.

The reason McD may not trade him isn't because he's in love with Bledsoe, it's because nobody's gonna give anything worth while for him.

Not saying he is "some hot asset" but this all smells of posturing by a team that is looking for it. My guess is the GM quoted is the one that wants Bledsoe. I think the market for Bledsoe will be very good. You have to think about who gains by putting out a report like this, and then follow that. We know PHX is like a bank vault with their information. If there is information out there, there is a reason for it.

Bledsoe ranks # 8 as a PG in RPM. Defensively, he ranks as #2 in RPM. Those things don't happen by accident. Not saying that is the full way to evaluate talent, but we know many teams look at advanced stats in evaluating trade options, and Bledsoe looks pretty good under the microscope.

With the sudden explosion of PHX deal/ trade rumors I suspect that the smokescreen/ misinformation train has long since left the station. If Bledsoe gets traded I think there will be decent assets attached to the haul coming back.

Unfortanetly the market is not going to be strong. As mentioned 1000x here, there are only a handful of teams (maybe 4) that need a point guard. The rest of the league has quality PGs or up and coming point guards. The point guard position is over saturated right now. Demand is low, which means prices are low. Bledsoe simply doesn't have much value.

I think the number will be higher than 4 teams (more like 6 to 7) that would express some interest and beyond that, that is all it takes to start bidding. While you are right about the amount of decent PG's in the league compared to historical numbers, you only depict the demand side of the value equation. What you don't address is how many of those would be available for trade.

Guys like Lillard, Paul, Parker, Kyrie, Wall aren't going anywhere, or if they do, they will need to be replaced by similarly good PG.

The list of PG's that might be obtainable are the Brandon Jennings, Kyle Lowry, MCW, Jose Calderon, Goran Dragic group. The question is where does Bledsoe rank in that group. You can argue that the unobtainables above could even be had for the right numbers of assets. That is true, but I think teams would be more amenable to getting Bledsoe at 2/3's assets than trying to shoot for the gold on the unobtainables.

Bottom line, there are 30 teams, and all would like to have a top 10 PG as part of their lineup. There are probably only about 20-25 decent PG's. and as was demonstrated by the GSW win, the league is more guard oriented, and no position is becoming more important than PG. These facts all add value to the bottom line.

NYK, HOU, MIL, SAC, BOS, IND, DET, DAL, LAL, UTA could all be team interested in landing Bledsoe. They all need to fill or improve their PG play and would be interested in at least taking a look. Some will risk not getting a decent PG back and will have to depend on either the too inexperienced or the over the hill crowd to get it done. At least half of those franchises have pressure on them to get back to the playoffs. That will drive value and strength to PHX's side in negotiations. We are not talking exorbitant value by any means, but enough value to be satisfied with a trade if it came to it.

[MrMiyagi]

WHY ARE WE TRADING BLEDSOE?!

[rsavaj]

WHY RUDY GAY?!

[m1chal]

Hornacek told @SiriusXMNBA that NY called about a Bledsoe trade. "Eric is a big part of our future and there was no entertainment of that.”

I would still do the Porzingis deal. I simply believe that the team as currently constructed is going nowhere. And which is even worse to me as a fan it is really boring to watch. A big overhaul would be more exciting to me than what we have now. I would be even more pleased if we managed to trade away the Twins and PJ. I don't care whether their contracts are good or not. Give me some consistency and excitement instead.

/end rant

[letsgosuns]

Each team that traded away Rudy Gay got better after he left. Memphis improved. Toronto improved. The Kings have done nothing with Gay on the team since they acquired him. For some reason, he has not been a player that leads teams to wins so far in his career. Plus why trade for him when the Suns have a potential scoring machine in Warren who is on a rookie contract. The Suns biggest need is still power forward, not small forward. They already have Granger, who was a similar player to Gay when he was healthy. Let's say that Granger can come back next year and actually play. Suddenly the Suns have a rejuvenated Granger on their team. Why pay Rudy Gay all that money for the next three years when you do not need to.