The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[Puff]

You guys are wrong about Barnes.

I agree with you.

I have seen Barnes's numbers and they are not all that great but he does not need to put up good numbers with the slash brothers on that team.

He is far better than anyone we have or appear to have a chance to get anytime soon. He can play the 3 or 4, he plays good defense, rebounds, can shoot the three and I believe he is only 22. What is not to like? Back up the truck.

[thamadkant]

Many many many months ago, some Suns fans and myself already stated what we think of Barnes.

I like him...

But not 18 Million dollars a year "like"

A 4 year 60 Million dollar contract is the MOST I'd give him as a "base".

If he makes the All star, he gets 1 million dollars bonus.
If he makes an All-NBA team, he gets another 1 million dollars bonus.
If he makes a Defensive team, he gets another 1 million dollar bonus.

Basically, if he thinks he deserves All-Star money, then he'll GET IT, if he performs like one.

[bwgood77]

Barnes will take us nowhere fast and will eat up cap space. If that is the best we can do, retain cap space, and build through the draft. No more trying for quick fixes unless we can make some big killer trade which is unlikely to happen.

[RaisingArizona]

Not to be that guy but wouldn't it be more likely they would just swap Irving for Bledsoe and then sign Durant themselves by moving Kevin Love to Boston for #3 to free up space? Then they take Murray and roll with Bledsoe-Murray-Durant-LBJ-Frye/Moz

Suns with Kyrie-Booker-Warren-Bender-Chandler/Len

Love's value has plummeted. There's no way he's worth a top 10 pick at the moment.

[RaisingArizona]

Barnes will take us nowhere fast and will eat up cap space. If that is the best we can do, retain cap space, and build through the draft. No more trying for quick fixes unless we can make some big killer trade which is unlikely to happen.

Some of us aren't down for the 15 year rebuilding plan. I don't see the harm in adding a guy entering his prime who has been unselfishly playing in a reduced role. Yeah, his numbers aren't great but it's what he brings to the table in spacing, running the floor and being the versatile guy would be fun to pair with Booker/Warren/#4. Also he is not afraid of the spotlight. I actually see a lot of a young Diaw in Barnes in terms of creating offense for other people.

[MathiasPW]

Good arguments in favor of Barnes. Still, paying him the max or close to that with the EXPECTATION that his production will soar once given a more prominent role is very risky.

You can do that with Bosh when you have LeBron and Wade under contract or with Ray Allen when you have KG and Pierce under contract, but not when you are still so far from contention as we are.

[carey]

Love for #3?

I guarantee that Love can fetch the #3. I'll put a pin in this for you and Ginobliflops when he is inevitably traded.

[JMac1]

Lyles was in the same boat as Booker who was a little less heralded than Towns and WCS last year, and they went 12 and 13. He has shown GREAT things much like Booker has. I mean heck, he shot 38.3% from 3 vs Booker's 34.3%. And it wasn't like he was on far less volume. Per 36 Booker shot 4.9 3s and Lyles shot 3.3 of them. Is Booker a role player?

My guess is Lyles would be ahead of Murray, Hield, Brown, and Dunn and all the PFs after Bender this year and you would be hoping he was the 1 or 2 option you are hoping these others are. I'm not sure what you expect a guy to do when he plays behind Favors.

Wow!

Tried it on the trade forum and it looks like there is no way Utah would go for it anyway....or at least their fans wouldn't be for it.

That's because

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aprcqLMY2QY[/youtube]

[RaisingArizona]

Love for #3?

I guarantee that Love can fetch the #3. I'll put a pin in this for you and Ginobliflops when he is inevitably traded.

I will gladly do a year sig bet with you on that.

[JMac1]

You guys are wrong about Barnes.

I agree with you.

I have seen Barnes's numbers and they are not all that great but he does not need to put up good numbers with the slash brothers on that team.

He is far better than anyone we have or appear to have a chance to get anytime soon. He can play the 3 or 4, he plays good defense, rebounds, can shoot the three and I believe he is only 22. What is not to like? Back up the truck.

Unless Steph Curry is coming with him, hell to the no.

Steph =Steve Nash

Steve Nash made average players look great and got them paid and they didn't perform. That is so Harrison Barnes. Shooting wide open set shot threes and getting uncontested rebs because everyone is doubling Steph 30 ft from the basket and he still shoots. Passing to wide open guys when the defense is scrambling because they trapped Steph who passed it to Klay..... Wake up people!

[bwgood77]

Barnes will take us nowhere fast and will eat up cap space. If that is the best we can do, retain cap space, and build through the draft. No more trying for quick fixes unless we can make some big killer trade which is unlikely to happen.

Some of us aren't down for the 15 year rebuilding plan. I don't see the harm in adding a guy entering his prime who has been unselfishly playing in a reduced role. Yeah, his numbers aren't great but it's what he brings to the table in spacing, running the floor and being the versatile guy would be fun to pair with Booker/Warren/#4. Also he is not afraid of the spotlight. I actually see a lot of a young Diaw in Barnes in terms of creating offense for other people.

I don't really think Diaw being the highest paid player on a team ever would have been a good option either.

[bwgood77]

Wow!

Tried it on the trade forum and it looks like there is no way Utah would go for it anyway....or at least their fans wouldn't be for it.

That's because

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aprcqLMY2QY[/youtube]

You know what's a very strange coincidence? Right when I looked at this post and video I got a notification and it was because I got quoted by someone with the username "Inigo Montoya" on the Jazz forum trade thread.

Also I just checked that trade proposal in the trade forum and I will say I am a little surprised that not one person said Phx shouldn't do that or is giving up too much. People either said it was a fair trade and/or there is no reason for Utah to do it because Lyles is better than anyone you can get at 4. Some say they would MAYBE do it if it was just Lyles for the 4 and some say they wouldn't even do that. I guess people might even be higher on him than I am.

[bwgood77]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNInsider/status/741328166761988096[/tweet]

[bwgood77]

Wiretap says GS wants to keep Barnes but if he expresses he wants out they will try and accomodate him with a S&T. For those who are ok with paying him that max, would you be ok also giving up Warren and possibly more assets to sign him?

[SideSwipe]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNInsider/status/741328166761988096[/tweet]

More smoke- let's hope there's some fire there, and PHX can get to the front of the line. JB=Young Vet

If we get Butler, we will look dramatically better to FA's and to agents for trades. This could be why they are posturing Book as a potential 3, so they can say Butler is a 2 though it seems, Butler is very interchangeable at those two spots. Just spit-balling.

Bledsoe, Booker, Butler, FA/Trade, Chandler Maybe we go for Love still as well.

Bledsoe, Booker, Butler, Love, Chandler. Defense from three spots, fairly balanced scoring options as well. Depending on who got sent out, we might still have some money to spend in FA as well.

[bwgood77]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNInsider/status/741328166761988096[/tweet]

More smoke- let's hope there's some fire there, and PHX can get to the front of the line. JB=Young Vet

If we get Butler, we will look dramatically better to FA's and to agents for trades. This could be why they are posturing Book as a potential 3, so they can say Butler is a 2 though it seems, Butler is very interchangeable at those two spots. Just spit-balling.

Bledsoe, Booker, Butler, FA/Trade, Chandler Maybe we go for Love still as well.

Bledsoe, Booker, Butler, Love, Chandler. Defense from three spots, fairly balanced scoring options as well. Depending on who got sent out, we might still have some money to spend in FA as well.

You think the 4 and Knight is enough for Butler, or that they'd want the 13 as well?

[letsgosuns]

As long as the Suns do not give up a massive package for Butler, then I am for the trade. Something like the 4th pick, Knight, and possibly Tucker, and that is it. That allows the Suns to still draft a power forward with the 13th pick. Getting Butler moves up the timeline dramatically. I think that is what the Suns want. No playoffs for six years takes a toll on an organization. Like others have said, if you have Bledsoe, Booker, and Butler, free agents/trade candidates view your team differently. Idk if it puts the Suns on Lebron or Durant's radar, but it would certainly help.

[DirtyDez]

As long as the Suns do not give up a massive package for Butler, then I am for the trade. Something like the 4th pick, Knight, and possibly Tucker, and that is it. That allows the Suns to still draft a power forward with the 13th pick. Getting Butler moves up the timeline dramatically. I think that is what the Suns want. No playoffs for six years takes a toll on an organization. Like others have said, if you have Bledsoe, Booker, and Butler, free agents/trade candidates view your team differently. Idk if it puts the Suns on Lebron or Durant's radar, but it would certainly help.

#4/Warren is the starting point. But I agree Butler is a 2-way guy who helps you immensely right away and he's under contract for four years.

[letsgosuns]

As long as the Suns do not give up a massive package for Butler, then I am for the trade. Something like the 4th pick, Knight, and possibly Tucker, and that is it. That allows the Suns to still draft a power forward with the 13th pick. Getting Butler moves up the timeline dramatically. I think that is what the Suns want. No playoffs for six years takes a toll on an organization. Like others have said, if you have Bledsoe, Booker, and Butler, free agents/trade candidates view your team differently. Idk if it puts the Suns on Lebron or Durant's radar, but it would certainly help.

#4/Warren is the starting point. But I agree Butler is a 2-way guy who helps you immensely right away and he's under contract for four years.

I do not want to give up Warren. Even for Butler. I have seriously high hopes for Warren. Remember before Booker got an opportunity, everyone thought Warren was going to be the star young player of the Suns. I think he still has a chance to be a 20 point a game scorer. He is the prototypical size for a small forward, really athletic, and a natural scorer. Still very young and on a rookie contract. Too much potential to give up on right now.

[dremill24]

As long as the Suns do not give up a massive package for Butler, then I am for the trade. Something like the 4th pick, Knight, and possibly Tucker, and that is it. That allows the Suns to still draft a power forward with the 13th pick. Getting Butler moves up the timeline dramatically. I think that is what the Suns want. No playoffs for six years takes a toll on an organization. Like others have said, if you have Bledsoe, Booker, and Butler, free agents/trade candidates view your team differently. Idk if it puts the Suns on Lebron or Durant's radar, but it would certainly help.

#4/Warren is the starting point. But I agree Butler is a 2-way guy who helps you immensely right away and he's under contract for four years.

I do not want to give up Warren. Even for Butler. I have seriously high hopes for Warren. Remember before Booker got an opportunity, everyone thought Warren was going to be the star young player of the Suns. I think he still has a chance to be a 20 point a game scorer. He is the prototypical size for a small forward, really athletic, and a natural scorer. Still very young and on a rookie contract. Too much potential to give up on right now.

Warren has the 'potential' to be a 20ppg scorer..Butler already is. Warren 'could' become a passable defender. Butler is one of the best in the business. Butler is everything we HOPE Warren MIGHT be. Butler already IS that. And hes still young enough to build around, in his prime. I don't understand this thought process at all.