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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#661 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Nov 8, 2016 4:39 pm

DRK wrote:Pretty Simple trade here

Three way with Boston and Philly.
Framework of the deal is
Noel to Boston
Marcus Smart to Phoenix
Brandon Knight to Philly.


We get a great piece that will complement Booker in Smart. Tenacious defender and can play off ball while Booker runs the offence.

Celtics get a good rebounder and shot blocker in Noel, to pair with Horford. They also clear out a guard logjam of Thomas, Bradley and Rozier. With Smart gone, Rozier gets time.

Brandon Knight to Philly is simply because they need shooting and scoring from the guard spot. He will compliment Simmons and wont be asked to play Pg duties with Simmons on the court.


Bryan Colangelo is not the brightest bulb, but its not a total blackout in Philly. There is no way he does that trade without more than Knight coming his way. He would probably want at least a first round pick. I would probably try to give him PJ (and try not to smirk while I pitched it).
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Post#662 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Nov 8, 2016 4:56 pm

If we're still struggling in January, Tyson Chandler may suddenly be a very marketable asset. Leads the team in +/-, dominating the glass, shooting a very high percentage, healthy. As always, there will be teams lacking a sufficient interior presence.

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#663 » by SideSwipe » Tue Nov 8, 2016 5:39 pm

1UPZ wrote:Wall and Booker may not fit well... IF Suns or Watson plan on making Booker a ball handler / ISO type.



Avery Bradley would be my Target... or George Hill or even Corey Joseph.



Suns / Celtics
Eric Bledsoe for Avery Bradley straight swap.


Following along these lines, if Bledsoe does get moved (not advocating it), I would rather see Booker move into the PG role and then pick up a defensive oriented 2 like you mention above. Booker becomes Harden-esque in managing the flow of the game with the ball in his hands. My preference would be to have a taller 2 guard in that scenario, though not sure Corey Joseph does it for me. Avery Bradley could work, and may be obtainable. Middleton would be a high-end target (Bledsoe++ package)

Not sure of the whole thing,but I would like to explore that.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#664 » by MathiasPW » Tue Nov 8, 2016 6:21 pm

Like the idea of trading for Wall, although Wall + Beal might be a good comparison for what would be Wall + Booker.

Point being I'm not too sure we would be that better off than the Wizards. Gortat is comparable to Chandler, Kieff is comparable to Chris (not really, but production wise) and Otto Porter is not bad at all.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#665 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Nov 8, 2016 7:01 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:If we're still struggling in January, Tyson Chandler may suddenly be a very marketable asset. Leads the team in +/-, dominating the glass, shooting a very high percentage, healthy. As always, there will be teams lacking a sufficient interior presence.

Silver lining for the day.


This would especially be good if Len starts developing some consistency. Len would definitely have to turn the corner. If Len could improve his shooting percentages and +/- even if it is in limited minutes, we might be able to move Chandler to a contender for a good young player and pick. I would just want to be sure about Len though. Chandler might be more valuable as a motivator for Len than any thing we would get in trade for him.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#666 » by NavLDO » Tue Nov 8, 2016 7:16 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:You guys are also on this, "OH MY GOD, WARREN IS SOOOOOO AMAZING!! Sure, its only been 6 games and our team has sucked ass and our real future all-star Booker has played like hot garbage due to teams now stepping up their defensive pressure against him, but Warren is the greatest!!!" I give him credit for stepping up, but man, some of you guys are going completely overboard this early in the season.

Warren has proven that he can score the ball while playing the SF spot, but lacks the rebounds/assists/steals/blocks/3 point shot to be considered an all-star there. The only crazy numbers are his points (on 41% shooting). Everything else is ordinary or below. To me, he has Rudy Gay written all over him, and i challenge anyone to convince me otherwise. Cool, he can score 20 points a game, but what else does he contribute to the team. Can he get a solid 20 points per game when the rest of the team isnt dogging it in the dumps like we have been for the past 5 games? Who knows, but i see a poormans Rudy Gay.


Team has been garbage, and he has played the best on a hot mess of a team. Its Rudy Gay. Once Booker and/or Bledsoe start to get going, lets see if Warren can continue. Wiggins/Lavine have been playing good next to an all-star player in KAT. The Bucks have an absolute stud in Antetopoetopjwe;rgh;gfnh1, yet Parker still has been playing great next to him. Its like the past few seasons when i point out a player and the #1 thing i hear is, "He is only putting up stats like that because his team is sooooo bad" (Yes, i have heard that a lot, specially when it came to the 76ers).


You really seem to be undervaluing Warren. You mention people overreacting about Warren and that he has only been playing well while the rest of the team plays like hot garbage, but at the same time mention Booker as the "real future all star" when he has really only had big games when the rest of our team is playing like hot garbage as well.

I don't think playing well when your team is playing like crap is a bad thing, but quite the contrary. He was the only one defenses had to worry about in his biggest games this season as no one else was hitting their shot so defenders could double.

Booker has never shot terribly well consistently yet.

Also, you mention the only thing he does is score a lot and mention 41%, yet he is 46% from the field this year but in his first two years is above 50%. I bet that % increases over time when/if we ever have any other scoring threats on the floor.

And not doing anything else? He is 11th in the nba in steals, gets over 6 boards a game which is top half of league for SF, and shoots 40% from 3 (tied for 2nd on the team with Bender behind Dudley who is at 44%). Booker is at 32% from 3. He also shot 40% last year.

I think Booker and Warren do and in the future will complement each other extremely well as they have different strengths, yet they are two very serious scoring threats.

Warren is great with offensive rebounds and putbacks, just the knack for being in the right place at the right time and knowing where the ball will bounce, has great floaters, stuff around the rim. They can both shoot from range (hopefully Booker improves from 3) and Booker is the better facilitator while Warren has seemed to pick up his D and has been really been active with his hands, among league leaders in steals.

I want to keep all our young guys though so I wouldn't want to have to pick between Chriss and Warren, though I'd be surprised if Chriss ever developed nearly the bbiq that Warren already has.

But Booker and Warren, now inserted as starters in the same season, and have so much time now and in the future to develop that chemistry together will be great. Then if our three rookies can start to get some playing time together at some point to further develop chemistry between our youth we may actually resemble a functional basketball team that plays team ball with a bunch of 3 pt threats, a couple of guys who can block shots, all sorts of length, etc.


Well said! Worthy of a 'Clappy' Emoji thingy, n' all that! What Warren is doing this season is exactly what I thought and expected he would do...and a little bit of hope sprinkled in there, as well. But point is, 'we' fans used to cry and whine about picking at the end of the lottery, and so far, our best two players have come from where??? Yep, late lottery.

Yeah, I know, a lot is luck, but some is being smart enough not to let them pass for other talents, as well. We'll see how Bender and Chiss turn out, but so far signs are pointing toward success, overall, IMO.
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Post#667 » by TeamTragic » Tue Nov 8, 2016 7:35 pm

I'm not saying we should trade Bledsoe. In fact I want him to retire with this team.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#668 » by MrMiyagi » Tue Nov 8, 2016 8:01 pm

I'm pretty sure that Denver has a logjam at every position, they have Mudiay, Murray, Harris and Barton at the guard spots. I don't see how Bledsoe helps them in any way. I don't even want to trade Bledsoe. He's exactly the kind of point guard I want next to Booker.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 

Post#669 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 11:43 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:If we're still struggling in January, Tyson Chandler may suddenly be a very marketable asset. Leads the team in +/-, dominating the glass, shooting a very high percentage, healthy. As always, there will be teams lacking a sufficient interior presence.

Silver lining for the day.

The Dubs needs more post D and rebounding than they do scoring.

Suns - Some guy named Curry - $12.1m
Warriors - Tyson "Motherloving" Chandler - $12.4m
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Post#670 » by Damkac » Wed Nov 9, 2016 12:42 am

No thanks. You don't trade big for small!
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Post#671 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Nov 9, 2016 12:54 am

Damkac wrote:No thanks. You don't trade big for small!

Good point. They'll need to sweeten the pot
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Post#672 » by blee732 » Wed Nov 9, 2016 2:48 am

MrMiyagi wrote:I'm pretty sure that Denver has a logjam at every position, they have Mudiay, Murray, Harris and Barton at the guard spots. I don't see how Bledsoe helps them in any way. I don't even want to trade Bledsoe. He's exactly the kind of point guard I want next to Booker.

Definitely agree with Bledsoe being a good fit with Booker...as long as we can eventually shift to running the offense through Book and have Bledsoe shift into more of a defender/slasher-off-the-ball role and not in a playmaking role.
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Post#674 » by Blonde » Wed Nov 9, 2016 5:59 pm

What are people's thoughts on Tyreke Evans? He's injured now but I'm thinking if the Pelicans are looking to move him then I'd be willing to take that gamble. Assuming we move Knight I think this could be a low risk high reward move as Evans can come off the bench and back up at the 1, 2 or 3 spot.
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Post#675 » by kennydorglas » Wed Nov 9, 2016 6:10 pm

Blonde wrote:What are people's thoughts on Tyreke Evans? He's injured now but I'm thinking if the Pelicans are looking to move him then I'd be willing to take that gamble. Assuming we move Knight I think this could be a low risk high reward move as Evans can come off the bench and back up at the 1, 2 or 3 spot.


I think I'd love to see Tyreke on this team. We need all the versatile players we can get.
Not bad but I dont think NO is interested in Knight now.
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Post#676 » by Blonde » Wed Nov 9, 2016 6:20 pm

kennydorglas wrote:
Blonde wrote:What are people's thoughts on Tyreke Evans? He's injured now but I'm thinking if the Pelicans are looking to move him then I'd be willing to take that gamble. Assuming we move Knight I think this could be a low risk high reward move as Evans can come off the bench and back up at the 1, 2 or 3 spot.


I think I'd love to see Tyreke on this team. We need all the versatile players we can get.
Not bad but I dont think NO is interested in Knight now.


I was thinking of moving Knight somewhere else (say, Orlando) for assets and them sending one of those assets to NO. As poor as Knight has played, he has more value than Tyreke. Younger, locked up on a decent contract, and not currently injured.
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Post#677 » by kennydorglas » Wed Nov 9, 2016 6:25 pm

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kennydorglas wrote:
Blonde wrote:What are people's thoughts on Tyreke Evans? He's injured now but I'm thinking if the Pelicans are looking to move him then I'd be willing to take that gamble. Assuming we move Knight I think this could be a low risk high reward move as Evans can come off the bench and back up at the 1, 2 or 3 spot.


I think I'd love to see Tyreke on this team. We need all the versatile players we can get.
Not bad but I dont think NO is interested in Knight now.


I was thinking of moving Knight somewhere else (say, Orlando) for assets and them sending one of those assets to NO. As poor as Knight has played, he has more value than Tyreke. Younger, locked up on a decent contract, and not currently injured.


Sounds like a good plan.
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Post#678 » by bwgood77 » Wed Nov 9, 2016 6:41 pm

Blonde wrote:What are people's thoughts on Tyreke Evans? He's injured now but I'm thinking if the Pelicans are looking to move him then I'd be willing to take that gamble. Assuming we move Knight I think this could be a low risk high reward move as Evans can come off the bench and back up at the 1, 2 or 3 spot.


I wouldn't mind him if he didn't have a blood clot, though he says he HAD one and will be back mid December. I don't think Knight has more value at all though if Tyreke is healthy. With Tyreke and Jrue, the Pelicans would likely be pretty good.
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Post#679 » by Blonde » Wed Nov 9, 2016 6:54 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Blonde wrote:What are people's thoughts on Tyreke Evans? He's injured now but I'm thinking if the Pelicans are looking to move him then I'd be willing to take that gamble. Assuming we move Knight I think this could be a low risk high reward move as Evans can come off the bench and back up at the 1, 2 or 3 spot.


I wouldn't mind him if he didn't have a blood clot, though he says he HAD one and will be back mid December. I don't think Knight has more value at all though if Tyreke is healthy. With Tyreke and Jrue, the Pelicans would likely be pretty good.


His health questions and contract bring his value way down. That's why it's a gamble. Evans is an UFA coming up and I just get the feeling he won't be in NO after this season so they may want some value for him now.
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Post#680 » by bwgood77 » Wed Nov 9, 2016 7:05 pm

Blonde wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Blonde wrote:What are people's thoughts on Tyreke Evans? He's injured now but I'm thinking if the Pelicans are looking to move him then I'd be willing to take that gamble. Assuming we move Knight I think this could be a low risk high reward move as Evans can come off the bench and back up at the 1, 2 or 3 spot.


I wouldn't mind him if he didn't have a blood clot, though he says he HAD one and will be back mid December. I don't think Knight has more value at all though if Tyreke is healthy. With Tyreke and Jrue, the Pelicans would likely be pretty good.


His health questions and contract bring his value way down. That's why it's a gamble. Evans is an UFA coming up and I just get the feeling he won't be in NO after this season so they may want some value for him now.


Which is why they should keep him. It's like us with Bledsoe. People across the league say Bledsoe's trade value is low because of injury concerns and a few meniscus tears, so keeping him is the smartest move since his trade value is likely quite a bit lower than his production.

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