Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

[Kerrsed]

I think this post is referring to CJ Miles not Myles Turner.

You are soooooooo right. I forgot all about Miles. Makes so much more sense now.

[asudevil]

I shall try a crazy 4 teamer.

Suns trade: Bledsoe/Knight/Chandler
Suns get: Hill/Jefferson/Turner/Ellis

Suns eat terrible contracts that allow their youth to grow. Retaining our 2017 First allows us to draft a premier PG to build with Turner/Chriss/Warren/Booker.

Pacers trade: Turner/Jefferson/Ellis
Pacers get: Bledsoe/Okafor

Pacers in theory add enough to retain George. a combo of George/Bledsoe/Embid is their future. They rid themselves of 2 of their awful contracts.

Pels trade: Holiday/Hill
Pels get: Knight/Chandler/Kings 2019 First

Pels add a C that helps them win now. Knight COULD become the player he was a couple years ago with Detroit. Adding a 2019 First helps with the rebuild.

Sixers trade: Okafor/Kings 2019 First
Sixers get: Holiday

In all honesty the Sixers have a great core. They are lacking a great PG. Holiday (assuming he commits to a max) becomes a young enough PG to build with their core.

[Zelaznyrules]

I shall try a crazy 4 teamer.

Suns trade: Bledsoe/Knight/Chandler
Suns get: Hill/Jefferson/Turner/Ellis

Suns eat terrible contracts that allow their youth to grow. Retaining our 2017 First allows us to draft a premier PG to build with Turner/Chriss/Warren/Booker.

Pacers trade: Turner/Jefferson/Ellis
Pacers get: Bledsoe/Embid

Pacers in theory add enough to retain George. a combo of George/Bledsoe/Embid is their future. They rid themselves of 2 of their awful contracts.

Pels trade: Holiday/Hill
Pels get: Knight/Chandler/Kings 2019 First

Pels add a C that helps them win now. Knight COULD become the player he was a couple years ago with Detroit. Adding a 2019 First helps with the rebuild.

Sixers trade: Okafor/Kings 2019 First
Sixers get: Holiday

In all honesty the Sixers have a great core. They are lacking a great PG. Holiday (assuming he commits to a max) becomes a young enough PG to build with their core.

I'm a little confused, are you saying that Philly gets Jrue but loses Embiid, Okafor and the Kings pick?

[asudevil]

I shall try a crazy 4 teamer.

Suns trade: Bledsoe/Knight/Chandler
Suns get: Hill/Jefferson/Turner/Ellis

Suns eat terrible contracts that allow their youth to grow. Retaining our 2017 First allows us to draft a premier PG to build with Turner/Chriss/Warren/Booker.

Pacers trade: Turner/Jefferson/Ellis
Pacers get: Bledsoe/Embid

Pacers in theory add enough to retain George. a combo of George/Bledsoe/Embid is their future. They rid themselves of 2 of their awful contracts.

Pels trade: Holiday/Hill
Pels get: Knight/Chandler/Kings 2019 First

Pels add a C that helps them win now. Knight COULD become the player he was a couple years ago with Detroit. Adding a 2019 First helps with the rebuild.

Sixers trade: Okafor/Kings 2019 First
Sixers get: Holiday

In all honesty the Sixers have a great core. They are lacking a great PG. Holiday (assuming he commits to a max) becomes a young enough PG to build with their core.

I'm a little confused, are you saying that Philly gets Jrue but loses Embiid, Okafor and the Kings pick?

You should be confused. I mis-typed. Only Okafor goes out for Phily with the Kings Pick. I fixed my original trade.

Drunk trade-sterbation.

[Zelaznyrules]

I shall try a crazy 4 teamer.

Suns trade: Bledsoe/Knight/Chandler
Suns get: Hill/Jefferson/Turner/Ellis

Suns eat terrible contracts that allow their youth to grow. Retaining our 2017 First allows us to draft a premier PG to build with Turner/Chriss/Warren/Booker.

Pacers trade: Turner/Jefferson/Ellis
Pacers get: Bledsoe/Embid

Pacers in theory add enough to retain George. a combo of George/Bledsoe/Embid is their future. They rid themselves of 2 of their awful contracts.

Pels trade: Holiday/Hill
Pels get: Knight/Chandler/Kings 2019 First

Pels add a C that helps them win now. Knight COULD become the player he was a couple years ago with Detroit. Adding a 2019 First helps with the rebuild.

Sixers trade: Okafor/Kings 2019 First
Sixers get: Holiday

In all honesty the Sixers have a great core. They are lacking a great PG. Holiday (assuming he commits to a max) becomes a young enough PG to build with their core.

I'm a little confused, are you saying that Philly gets Jrue but loses Embiid, Okafor and the Kings pick?

You should be confused. I mis-typed. Only Okafor goes out for Phily with the Kings Pick. I fixed my original trade.

Drunk trade-sterbation.

Been there, done that, outgrew the T Shirt.

[Qwigglez]

I agree with Zelaznyrules about PG13. I love the guy, but he is at best a 3rd option on a contending team. I think Jimmy Butler overtook him in terms of ranking IMO. Butler is also on a longer contract. Anyway, I thought Bird did a pretty solid job of putting role players around PG13 but they still likely won't get over the hump. Teague has been great (for my fantasy team at least), Turner is phenomenal, Young has been good, but recently hurt his wrist. I could see them actually giving up their 1st for Knight, hoping Knight turns it around as a starter.
Now I'd love to get Turner. Is Bledsoe/Len/Chandler enough? Heck I'd give em Warren too. Would you guys be okay with this...
Suns get-
Myles Turner
Al Jefferson
Monte Ellis
Aaron Brooks
Rakeem Christmas

Pacers get-
Eric Bledsoe
TJ Warren
Alex Len
Tyson Chandler

We could buyout Al Jefferson over the offseason. He has a team option for the 2018-19 season so he's pretty much an expiring after next season. Ellis has a player option in 2018-19, and I don't like him at all, but he can park himself on the bench. Brooks is expiring after this season and Christmas doesn't get enough to really worry about. We pay a huge price for Turner but we don't mortgage our future by any means. We draft hopefully Fultz or Ball and start Bender/Chriss to round out our rotation next season.

Fultz/Booker/Bender/Chriss/Turner
Watch the guys blossom to create that dynasty team.


*edit*
If I was Bird though, I'd trade George before I trade Turner. But that's just me.

[bwgood77]

I agree with Zelaznyrules about PG13. I love the guy, but he is at best a 3rd option on a contending team. I think Jimmy Butler overtook him in terms of ranking IMO. Butler is also on a longer contract. Anyway, I thought Bird did a pretty solid job of putting role players around PG13 but they still likely won't get over the hump. Teague has been great (for my fantasy team at least), Turner is phenomenal, Young has been good, but recently hurt his wrist. I could see them actually giving up their 1st for Knight, hoping Knight turns it around as a starter.
Now I'd love to get Turner. Is Bledsoe/Len/Chandler enough? Heck I'd give em Warren too. Would you guys be okay with this...
Suns get-
Myles Turner
Al Jefferson
Monte Ellis
Aaron Brooks
Rakeem Christmas

Pacers get-
Eric Bledsoe
TJ Warren
Alex Len
Tyson Chandler

We could buyout Al Jefferson over the offseason. He has a team option for the 2018-19 season so he's pretty much an expiring after next season. Ellis has a player option in 2018-19, and I don't like him at all, but he can park himself on the bench. Brooks is expiring after this season and Christmas doesn't get enough to really worry about. We pay a huge price for Turner but we don't mortgage our future by any means. We draft hopefully Fultz or Ball and start Bender/Chriss to round out our rotation next season.

Fultz/Booker/Bender/Chriss/Turner
Watch the guys blossom to create that dynasty team.


*edit*
If I was Bird though, I'd trade George before I trade Turner. But that's just me.

Nah, George is better than Butler. He can hit the 3, has led a team of role players to best record in east, etc. Butler can barely keep his team at 500 and can't shoot. Also has a bad attitude.

George is much more likeable. But he wouldn't come to Phx.

[Qwigglez]

Spoiler:

I agree with Zelaznyrules about PG13. I love the guy, but he is at best a 3rd option on a contending team. I think Jimmy Butler overtook him in terms of ranking IMO. Butler is also on a longer contract. Anyway, I thought Bird did a pretty solid job of putting role players around PG13 but they still likely won't get over the hump. Teague has been great (for my fantasy team at least), Turner is phenomenal, Young has been good, but recently hurt his wrist. I could see them actually giving up their 1st for Knight, hoping Knight turns it around as a starter.
Now I'd love to get Turner. Is Bledsoe/Len/Chandler enough? Heck I'd give em Warren too. Would you guys be okay with this...
Suns get-
Myles Turner
Al Jefferson
Monte Ellis
Aaron Brooks
Rakeem Christmas

Pacers get-
Eric Bledsoe
TJ Warren
Alex Len
Tyson Chandler

We could buyout Al Jefferson over the offseason. He has a team option for the 2018-19 season so he's pretty much an expiring after next season. Ellis has a player option in 2018-19, and I don't like him at all, but he can park himself on the bench. Brooks is expiring after this season and Christmas doesn't get enough to really worry about. We pay a huge price for Turner but we don't mortgage our future by any means. We draft hopefully Fultz or Ball and start Bender/Chriss to round out our rotation next season.

Fultz/Booker/Bender/Chriss/Turner
Watch the guys blossom to create that dynasty team.


*edit*
If I was Bird though, I'd trade George before I trade Turner. But that's just me.

Nah, George is better than Butler. He can hit the 3, has led a team of role players to best record in east, etc. Butler can barely keep his team at 500 and can't shoot. Also has a bad attitude.

George is much more likeable. But he wouldn't come to Phx.

You don't think if Butler was on the Pacers they'd have the same record? I think George probably has a higher basketball IQ and definitely a better attitude.
Wasn't there a rumor that George wanted to play with Phoenix? I think this was when we had Dragic.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

I agree with Zelaznyrules about PG13. I love the guy, but he is at best a 3rd option on a contending team. I think Jimmy Butler overtook him in terms of ranking IMO. Butler is also on a longer contract. Anyway, I thought Bird did a pretty solid job of putting role players around PG13 but they still likely won't get over the hump. Teague has been great (for my fantasy team at least), Turner is phenomenal, Young has been good, but recently hurt his wrist. I could see them actually giving up their 1st for Knight, hoping Knight turns it around as a starter.
Now I'd love to get Turner. Is Bledsoe/Len/Chandler enough? Heck I'd give em Warren too. Would you guys be okay with this...
Suns get-
Myles Turner
Al Jefferson
Monte Ellis
Aaron Brooks
Rakeem Christmas

Pacers get-
Eric Bledsoe
TJ Warren
Alex Len
Tyson Chandler

We could buyout Al Jefferson over the offseason. He has a team option for the 2018-19 season so he's pretty much an expiring after next season. Ellis has a player option in 2018-19, and I don't like him at all, but he can park himself on the bench. Brooks is expiring after this season and Christmas doesn't get enough to really worry about. We pay a huge price for Turner but we don't mortgage our future by any means. We draft hopefully Fultz or Ball and start Bender/Chriss to round out our rotation next season.

Fultz/Booker/Bender/Chriss/Turner
Watch the guys blossom to create that dynasty team.


*edit*
If I was Bird though, I'd trade George before I trade Turner. But that's just me.

Nah, George is better than Butler. He can hit the 3, has led a team of role players to best record in east, etc. Butler can barely keep his team at 500 and can't shoot. Also has a bad attitude.

George is much more likeable. But he wouldn't come to Phx.

You don't think if Butler was on the Pacers they'd have the same record? I think George probably has a higher basketball IQ and definitely a better attitude.
Wasn't there a rumor that George wanted to play with Phoenix? I think this was when we had Dragic.

Not that I recall. Stretching the floor is too important these days. That is why Chicago is struggling. Indy would be worse with Butler.

[gaspar]

Spoiler:

I agree with Zelaznyrules about PG13. I love the guy, but he is at best a 3rd option on a contending team. I think Jimmy Butler overtook him in terms of ranking IMO. Butler is also on a longer contract. Anyway, I thought Bird did a pretty solid job of putting role players around PG13 but they still likely won't get over the hump. Teague has been great (for my fantasy team at least), Turner is phenomenal, Young has been good, but recently hurt his wrist. I could see them actually giving up their 1st for Knight, hoping Knight turns it around as a starter.
Now I'd love to get Turner. Is Bledsoe/Len/Chandler enough? Heck I'd give em Warren too. Would you guys be okay with this...
Suns get-
Myles Turner
Al Jefferson
Monte Ellis
Aaron Brooks
Rakeem Christmas

Pacers get-
Eric Bledsoe
TJ Warren
Alex Len
Tyson Chandler

We could buyout Al Jefferson over the offseason. He has a team option for the 2018-19 season so he's pretty much an expiring after next season. Ellis has a player option in 2018-19, and I don't like him at all, but he can park himself on the bench. Brooks is expiring after this season and Christmas doesn't get enough to really worry about. We pay a huge price for Turner but we don't mortgage our future by any means. We draft hopefully Fultz or Ball and start Bender/Chriss to round out our rotation next season.

Fultz/Booker/Bender/Chriss/Turner
Watch the guys blossom to create that dynasty team.


*edit*
If I was Bird though, I'd trade George before I trade Turner. But that's just me.

Nah, George is better than Butler. He can hit the 3, has led a team of role players to best record in east, etc. Butler can barely keep his team at 500 and can't shoot. Also has a bad attitude.

George is much more likeable. But he wouldn't come to Phx.

Why? Paul George is legitimately a dumb person. He cheated on his girlfriend with a stripper, got her pregnant and offered her one million dollars to abort their baby. Oh and he defended Ray Rice on twitter. For me he's not likeable at all.

I would easily take Butler over PG. Jimmy has a smaller and longer contract and IMO he's a better player than George on both ends of the court.

Stats this season:
Butler - 24.5 pts, 6.3 reb, 5.0 ast, 1.8 stl, 2.1 tov, .589 TS%, 25.5 PER in 36.6 mpg
George - 22.3 pts, 6.2 reb, 3.3 ast, 1.6 stl, 2.8 tov, .570 TS%, 18.6 PER in 35.7 mpg

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

I agree with Zelaznyrules about PG13. I love the guy, but he is at best a 3rd option on a contending team. I think Jimmy Butler overtook him in terms of ranking IMO. Butler is also on a longer contract. Anyway, I thought Bird did a pretty solid job of putting role players around PG13 but they still likely won't get over the hump. Teague has been great (for my fantasy team at least), Turner is phenomenal, Young has been good, but recently hurt his wrist. I could see them actually giving up their 1st for Knight, hoping Knight turns it around as a starter.
Now I'd love to get Turner. Is Bledsoe/Len/Chandler enough? Heck I'd give em Warren too. Would you guys be okay with this...
Suns get-
Myles Turner
Al Jefferson
Monte Ellis
Aaron Brooks
Rakeem Christmas

Pacers get-
Eric Bledsoe
TJ Warren
Alex Len
Tyson Chandler

We could buyout Al Jefferson over the offseason. He has a team option for the 2018-19 season so he's pretty much an expiring after next season. Ellis has a player option in 2018-19, and I don't like him at all, but he can park himself on the bench. Brooks is expiring after this season and Christmas doesn't get enough to really worry about. We pay a huge price for Turner but we don't mortgage our future by any means. We draft hopefully Fultz or Ball and start Bender/Chriss to round out our rotation next season.

Fultz/Booker/Bender/Chriss/Turner
Watch the guys blossom to create that dynasty team.


*edit*
If I was Bird though, I'd trade George before I trade Turner. But that's just me.

Nah, George is better than Butler. He can hit the 3, has led a team of role players to best record in east, etc. Butler can barely keep his team at 500 and can't shoot. Also has a bad attitude.

George is much more likeable. But he wouldn't come to Phx.

Why? Paul George is legitimately a dumb person. He cheated on his girlfriend with a stripper, got her pregnant and offered her one million dollars to abort their baby. Oh and he defended Ray Rice on twitter. For me he's not likeable at all.

I would easily take Butler over PG. Jimmy has a smaller and longer contract and IMO he's a better player than George on both ends of the court.

Stats this season:
Butler - 24.5 pts, 6.3 reb, 5.0 ast, 1.8 stl, 2.1 tov, .589 TS%, 25.5 PER in 36.6 mpg
George - 22.3 pts, 6.2 reb, 3.3 ast, 1.6 stl, 2.8 tov, .570 TS%, 18.6 PER in 35.7 mpg

Didn't know that info. Guess I'd take neither.

[Qwigglez]

Would you guys trade Knight to the Pacers for their 2017 1st?

[WeekapaugGroove]

The problem with trying to get PG13 is that we would have to have other moves in place to get another star player. His own quote as to why he isnt willing to re-sign with the Pacers speaks volumes.

"As I told Larry (Bird), I always want to play on a winning team. I always want to be part of a team that has a chance to win it [all]. That's important," said George.

"Say what you want; I want to compete for something. It's frustrating just playing the game for stats or for numbers or to showcase yourself. Man, I want a chance to play for a chance to win a championship.

"I wanted to be the first and want to be the first to be able to bring a championship to Indiana. So that's still on my mind ... and something I definitely want to achieve in Indiana."

Im sure we could put a great package together to get George, but no way would he look at our team as its currently constructed and think of it as a "Winning Team". He would need some kind of assurance that we would be a winning team, and that assurance would most likely be in the way of another star player believing in us too.

PG13 is in the same boat as Garnett was in. He was at the end of his contract, but wanted to win. Garnett originally turned down a trade to Boston by telling them that he wasnt willing to re-sign with them, as he didnt see them as a winning team. Since they only had a borderline all-star, Ainge went out and made a trade for Ray Allen, and thats what made Garnett intrigued enough to accept the trade and let them know he would re-sign with them.

We tried and failed the 1st time we did this with Aldridge by taking on Tyson Chandler. We were close....damn close... but ultimately failed. Thats why i think getting PG13 would cost more than people think, as we wouldnt just need the assets to appease Indiana, but also the assets to appease a 2nd team by getting their star player too (and first).

So who's available to be our Ray Allen? Who is the player thats not a full on star, but holds enough water to convince George that we can be winners and he should allow a trade and re-sign with us? Whoever that player is, be sure if we were to work a deal like this, you could bet your ass that Warren/Len/Chriss/Bender/2017 1st/Miami 1st would be long gone.

You're right. This is a great example of why i dont believe the "trade for a star" team building approach is a great strategy. These stars want to leave because their current team isnt winning enough and you typically need to gut your team to land them so its just so tough to still have a great group around them that can win from day 1.

To me you need to find a couple stars in the draft first and when you're starting to get good organically then you swing a deal for someone to put you over the top.

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[King4Day]

Would you guys trade Knight to the Pacers for their 2017 1st?

Of course. Problem is, knight is probably not even worth a second rounder right now

[Qwigglez]

Remember last year there was rumor we were interested in Aaron Gordon but after the dunk contest the Magic FO basically put him on the untouchable list. I wonder if Jones Jr does well if it makes him a valuable trade asset. If so, better capitalize as I don't think Aaron Gordon has the same value as he did last year.

[King4Day]

Remember last year there was rumor we were interested in Aaron Gordon but after the dunk contest the Magic FO basically put him on the untouchable list. I wonder if Jones Jr does well if it makes him a valuable trade asset. If so, better capitalize as I don't think Aaron Gordon has the same value as he did last year.

I don't think the contest is what gave him value. Jones needs minutes. I really hope he gets a chance after the break.

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[carey]

I don't think the contest is what gave him value. Jones needs minutes. I really hope he gets a chance after the break.

Who knows what will happen. We're still just 10 days removed from Dragan's surgery. He'll be out at least another 3 weeks, more than likely another 5. I'd just as soon give Warren and DJJ all those minutes.

[Frank Lee]

It's time to accept the certainty that McD will offer our pick up for cousins, regardless of its position.

A team core of bled, book, and boogie is one that is light years ahead over any 'build for the future' proposal posted here.

It's win now maneuvering that Sarver coverts and McD needs. No way they will pass up an opportunity to be relevant and as much in the mix for a title as anyone. Yes, I'm talking to y'all who have given GSt the trophy for the next 5 yrs.

[King4Day]

With the talk that the Kings owner may not want to pay Cousins the max and that PG could want out, perhaps we are aiming at these guys long term.
If there was any way possible to get these guys, I'd give up anyone / any pick on our team except Booker.
Cousins, George, and Booker would be a team that players would want to come play for.

[TeamTragic]

It's time to accept the certainty that McD will offer our pick up for cousins, regardless of its position.

A team core of bled, book, and boogie is one that is light years ahead over any 'build for the future' proposal posted here.

It's win now maneuvering that Sarver coverts and McD needs. No way they will pass up an opportunity to be relevant and as much in the mix for a title as anyone. Yes, I'm talking to y'all who have given GSt the trophy for the next 5 yrs.

I'm fine with giving up our pick for a maxed Cousins. The question is who else we include in the package. That will be the difference maker.