Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[NTB]

I want Bamba from top 5. (its too early though)

This would be a good lineup imo:

D'Angelo
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Bamba

And how does D'Angelo get here? Or did you mean the Ball brother Li'Angelo with one of the other picks?

via trade. It doesn't have to be D'Angelo. I mean add Bamba from draft and get PG via trade.

[sunsbum]

Oh, I hope so, or ya know, we could always TRADE Chandler and keep Monroe. Somebody please tell me what a 35 YO Chandler has over a 27 YO Monroe?

http://bkref.com/tiny/xVJwo

And before anyone mentions anything about offense, Monroe an actually shoot the ball beyond 3 feet. He also has a better DRtg (105 vs 109), more Stls, Blks, and Assts (per36) than Chandler. He has a higher FT%, lower PFs, and higher PTS. Yes, he avgs 25% less TRBs, and more TOs, but his Asst/TOV ratio vs Chandler is better (3.7/2.8...vs...0.8/1.8); which would you rather have?

Then add in Monroe's advantage in PER, WS, DBPM/OBPM, etc. and to me, it's an easy choice. Plus, $17+M for one year beats $13M over 2 for Chandler.

I swear, Chandler has pics, recorded audio/video, or some evidence of McD doing something shady, because this dude gets more opportunities than Len does, even though Len is clearly the better player at this point.

What does Chandler have over Monroe? A contract past this summer. I think many would like it better if we didn't have it, but we do. What makes you think we "could" keep Monroe? He's an unrestricted FA who has zero ties to Phx.

But hey, let's not think beyond just the SINGLE scenario of Monroe staying with us for the remainder of his contract, beyond this season. I mean, we don't have a Center under contract already, and we couldn't offer Len a contract at any time if we so chose, and there aren't like, 10 1st Rd Centers entering the draft this upcoming year. But heck, Len isn't guaranteed after this year either, let's trade him with Monroe, too, right?

Sometimes...sometimes, it's just about playing the better player, now, because, well, they are better. Not everything has to be planned for, for the next 3 years.

hey man, there's a lot of posters here that dont like me or my opinion, even some that still hold a grudge against me from 10+ years ago when I was a poster on espn.. I dont give a **** and neither should you. We all love the suns, we all have different views but if you dip out when people disagree then it becomes Reddit Suns, an echo chamber. Stand your ground, drink some purple drank and eff the haters. P.S. why does the suns podcast on bright side suck so much reddit D....fense? That's like the worst suns community easily.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Ok, here are my thoughts:

- If Gambo is right, and all signs point to it, Since Len wont be a Sun next season, doesnt it make more sense to buy him out (At a much much lower price) rather than Monroe (Who can still be traded as a very large expiring). I mean when it comes to trades, i think Monroes expiring is way more valuable than Len's. So if we do need to cut someone to make room for James, i think buying out Len makes the most sense even though he is playing a hell of a lot better than Chandler or Monroe.

- Monroe for Okafor. Puts them above the cap floor and gives them a back-up for Embiid for the season. Gives us a roll of the dice on a very offensive-minded C for a season. Will require a 2nd round pick, which we have PLENTY to spare.

- Give Okafor all the minutes he wants (Over Chandler). Look for a Chandler trade. We wont get a lot in return (Maybe a 2nd round pick), but once again its another "Do right by the player" move. Big Sauce will be back later to claim his back-up C status.

Well buying out len would be kind of funny since they could have simply pulled the QO this summer and not paid him at all.

I'm not sure why its some foregone conclusion he won't be back. His market next summer will be limited and the suns would have his bird rights so they would remain a possibility. Now I think the suns currently employ 4 backup centers and this is a good center draft so it might be as simple as draft your starter next year and have williams as your backup.

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Eh, we took on his QO because we needed a C with Sauce going down to injury. We really didnt have any other options.

To me, as i was saying on the GB, Len = Mozgov. A player that has the tools, just doesnt know how to put them all together. He might have a good game here and there, but he lacks any consistency and his play is usually more sub-par than it is good. Now the Lakers got suckered into giving Moz that crazy contract, where we didnt fall for the hype.

And as you noted, there is going to be a very small market for him. He has been worse than a lot of other C's that will also be on the market, and who also have had a hard time finding a good role on a team or securing a longer deal. So i see him as being at the tail end of those guys.

I don't know about that. They had like 2 months from when williams signed his deal until he got hurt. They could have pulled lens qo any time durring that time. Hell if it was just about finding a body guys are available at the min or they could have taken a contract like cole aldridge and got a pick for their trouble. I really think they wanted one more look at len. To me the problem is he's ultimately a backup and so are williams, chandler, and monroe. Need to find a starter there and at pg in the next 9 months.

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[Saberestar]

And we do not want to have Monroe?

This team need talent and players that know how to play the game.

[AtheJ415]

I want Bamba from top 5. (its too early though)

This would be a good lineup imo:

D'Angelo
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Bamba

I am currently leaning towards Ayton over Bamba, but can understand the argument for Bamba given his wingspan. Ayton is a lot more offensively polished though and is stronger. I think Ayton's offense would do well with us and he still has the potential to be a defensive anchor. It really depends how well Bamba an shoot at the next level. I think his length will make him a defensive monster ultimately.

[JMac1]

[JMac1]

Bad news fellas...Booker is a number 2 option. He won't be a Super Star. He can't get his shot whenever he wants to. I've watch this season closely, When teams D him up tightly he has to give up the ball, and I mean with one good defender on him.....Oh well.

[Joe Pong]

And we do not want to have Monroe?

This team need talent and players that know how to play the game.

Why would we get rid of Monroe? He immediately becomes our second best player and is better right now than anyone else on this roster will ever be other than Booker.

Just because we figure he's gone at end of year anyway?

[Mulhollanddrive]

What are the odds we have a future All-Star on this roster to support Booker? Maybe 50% being generous.

I don't want to get to 2021 and get into a LeBron, Cousins or George situation where he gets no help for 7 years and leaves.

[Kerrsed]

What are the odds we have a future All-Star on this roster to support Booker? Maybe 50% being generous.

I don't want to get to 2021 and get into a LeBron, Cousins or George situation where he gets no help for 7 years and leaves.

Honestly, i think its around 5%.

I think its generous to give Booker a 10% chance of being an all-star himself. There are just too many good guards in the West. Between Curry/Westbrook/Harden/CP3, the spots for him are extremely limited. Thats not even counting players like Lillard who are also fringe all-stars.

[Joe Pong]

What are the odds we have a future All-Star on this roster to support Booker? Maybe 50% being generous.

I don't want to get to 2021 and get into a LeBron, Cousins or George situation where he gets no help for 7 years and leaves.

Future All-Star? I'd settle for one starting caliber player. Not sure there is a single player on this roster other than Booker who will ever be a starting player for a decent team.

[bwgood77]

What are the odds we have a future All-Star on this roster to support Booker? Maybe 50% being generous.

I don't want to get to 2021 and get into a LeBron, Cousins or George situation where he gets no help for 7 years and leaves.

Future All-Star? I'd settle for one starting caliber player. Not sure there is a single player on this roster other than Booker who will ever be a starting player for a decent team.

Give up on people a little fast?

[bwgood77]

Man it's getting a little testy on this board today. **** show losing will do that.

My take is its perfectly fine to root for the tank. Hell I want a homerun pick so bad. But its also fine to get pissed about the young guys playing poorly. In general young players will always be inconsistent thats normal but for christ sake you need to actually see some good with the bad once in a while or it does get discouraging.

The one thing personally I think both the front office and some fans really need stop with is this whole were going to trade for a star bull. Sure if the perfect scenario breaks then by all means jump but personally I think its a dumb primary plan. Do you really think these "stars" are not going to be all that happy to be dealt to a young and bad team? And most of the time these guys are dealt in the last or second to last years of their deals so you end up paying a bunch for a guy who can bolt quickly. When was the last truely bad team that aquired a "star" via trade that didnt already have one and it worked out? Now if booker or another guy becomes a transcendent player then its time to look to find those other elite players. When you do it the other way around you just end up with pissed off guys looking to leave.

Now if they want to move a pick for a competent pg or something like that this summer thats fine. But they need to find that core in the draft and that starts with picking players who you know can actually **** play.

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Yeah, I don't think we are going to trade for a star. It's pretty rare and it's usually a good team that does it, and usually the star wants to go to that team

Totally agree about dealing a pick for a competent pg. For example, I'd love to get a pg with the Miami pick but this is a terrible draft for pgs. If there was a good solid young pg but would still be sort of a vet to these guys, I'd be all for cashing in a mid teens pick for a player like that this summer. At that point we will really need to start putting pieces together.

[AtheJ415]

Man it's getting a little testy on this board today. **** show losing will do that.

My take is its perfectly fine to root for the tank. Hell I want a homerun pick so bad. But its also fine to get pissed about the young guys playing poorly. In general young players will always be inconsistent thats normal but for christ sake you need to actually see some good with the bad once in a while or it does get discouraging.

The one thing personally I think both the front office and some fans really need stop with is this whole were going to trade for a star bull. Sure if the perfect scenario breaks then by all means jump but personally I think its a dumb primary plan. Do you really think these "stars" are not going to be all that happy to be dealt to a young and bad team? And most of the time these guys are dealt in the last or second to last years of their deals so you end up paying a bunch for a guy who can bolt quickly. When was the last truely bad team that aquired a "star" via trade that didnt already have one and it worked out? Now if booker or another guy becomes a transcendent player then its time to look to find those other elite players. When you do it the other way around you just end up with pissed off guys looking to leave.

Now if they want to move a pick for a competent pg or something like that this summer thats fine. But they need to find that core in the draft and that starts with picking players who you know can actually **** play.

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Yeah, I don't think we are going to trade for a star. It's pretty rare and it's usually a good team that does it, and usually the star wants to go to that team

Totally agree about dealing a pick for a competent pg. For example, I'd love to get a pg with the Miami pick but this is a terrible draft for pgs. If there was a good solid young pg but would still be sort of a vet to these guys, I'd be all for cashing in a mid teens pick for a player like that this summer. At that point we will really need to start putting pieces together.

I like the top 2 PGs. I think one will be there with Miami's pick, because I don't have that much faith in Miami. They had a hot half a season. We had a team of BS have a full hot season in 2013. They have a very good coach but I think if Goran gets hurt even a little they will fall in the surprisingly more competitive than thought east.

[bwgood77]

Man it's getting a little testy on this board today. **** show losing will do that.

My take is its perfectly fine to root for the tank. Hell I want a homerun pick so bad. But its also fine to get pissed about the young guys playing poorly. In general young players will always be inconsistent thats normal but for christ sake you need to actually see some good with the bad once in a while or it does get discouraging.

The one thing personally I think both the front office and some fans really need stop with is this whole were going to trade for a star bull. Sure if the perfect scenario breaks then by all means jump but personally I think its a dumb primary plan. Do you really think these "stars" are not going to be all that happy to be dealt to a young and bad team? And most of the time these guys are dealt in the last or second to last years of their deals so you end up paying a bunch for a guy who can bolt quickly. When was the last truely bad team that aquired a "star" via trade that didnt already have one and it worked out? Now if booker or another guy becomes a transcendent player then its time to look to find those other elite players. When you do it the other way around you just end up with pissed off guys looking to leave.

Now if they want to move a pick for a competent pg or something like that this summer thats fine. But they need to find that core in the draft and that starts with picking players who you know can actually **** play.

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Yeah, I don't think we are going to trade for a star. It's pretty rare and it's usually a good team that does it, and usually the star wants to go to that team

Totally agree about dealing a pick for a competent pg. For example, I'd love to get a pg with the Miami pick but this is a terrible draft for pgs. If there was a good solid young pg but would still be sort of a vet to these guys, I'd be all for cashing in a mid teens pick for a player like that this summer. At that point we will really need to start putting pieces together.

I like the top 2 PGs. I think one will be there with Miami's pick, because I don't have that much faith in Miami. They had a hot half a season. We had a team of BS have a full hot season in 2013. They have a very good coach but I think if Goran gets hurt even a little they will fall in the surprisingly more competitive than thought east.

It's still a crap shoot and none of these guys have even played college ball yet so no one is even close to proven. The top 5 looks clear cut and even a few players after that look like they could be solid, like Bridges and Williams. This is just not a good draft overall for point guards right now. There will probably be some players that emerge that people didn't expect and some that might be ranked higher now that fall. I mean tons of guys look good with their high school highlights. I think there is a good chance that wherever the Miami pick lands, there will be several better draft candidates than a PG, so with our team at that point do you really pass on better players to not take who looks like BPA and take a PG? It's hard to know.

The way it falls right here wouldn't be bad, if this is where two of the picks land....Bamba and Sexton. http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

And the Bucks won't finish in that spot.

[WeekapaugGroove]

BW I agree its just not a great pg draft so thats tricky but I would say its the front offices job to find one. Hell bogdon was a 2nd rd pick and and a guy like russell was available with the cap space the suns had this past year. The good gms find a way. And its completely fair to question if they should have gone fox or smith at 4 this year knowing this next draft was thin at pg. I was and still am team issaac but that exact point is why I would have been fine going pg there predraft.

On the bright side this is an awesome center draft and the suns could use one of those too.

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[LukasBMW]

I don't understand why we don't run a Booker/Chriss pick and roll every god damn time.

Meanwhile TJ passes through a screen to get open as a backup plan.

[bwgood77]

BW I agree its just not a great pg draft so thats tricky but I would say its the front offices job to find one. Hell bogdon was a 2nd rd pick and and a guy like russell was available with the cap space the suns had this past year. The good gms find a way. And its completely fair to question if they should have gone fox or smith at 4 this year knowing this next draft was thin at pg. I was and still am team issaac but that exact point is why I would have been fine going pg there predraft.

On the bright side this is an awesome center draft and the suns could use one of those too.

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Speaking of guards in this past draft, check out how many guards from this past draft are on this list. http://bkref.com/tiny/9CUew

I think I count five guards drafted in the lottery in the top 85 of

Spoiler:

worst TS% seasons ever. It seems many believe some of these pgs are playing better than they are. And that's not counting Fultz, who would be #2 on the list if he were eligible.

[WeekapaugGroove]

BW I agree its just not a great pg draft so thats tricky but I would say its the front offices job to find one. Hell bogdon was a 2nd rd pick and and a guy like russell was available with the cap space the suns had this past year. The good gms find a way. And its completely fair to question if they should have gone fox or smith at 4 this year knowing this next draft was thin at pg. I was and still am team issaac but that exact point is why I would have been fine going pg there predraft.

On the bright side this is an awesome center draft and the suns could use one of those too.

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Speaking of guards in this past draft, check out how many guards from this past draft are on this list. http://bkref.com/tiny/9CUew

I think I count five guards drafted in the lottery in the top 85 of

Spoiler:

worst TS% seasons ever. It seems many believe some of these pgs are playing better than they are. And that's not counting Fultz, who would be #2 on the list if he were eligible.

Its early but yeah not a great start for some dudes.

I think smith can ball and will be fine.

Ball I've always worried about. I was scared to death of the flaws in his game. Dude can pass but at this point thats about it.

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[Mulhollanddrive]

PG is the one position where I'd be fine acquiring a vet.

It's unlikely we can bring someone who's not in the league and lift us into a contender within 2-3 years.