The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1

[DirtyDez]

Yes, this trade happens would only happen once Doncic is confirmed.
Magic have always done well with a center in the lottery.

Doncic plus two future unprotected firsts for Ayton? That's a no brainer yes for me. Who knows what our FO would do though? If there wasn't the local pressure of Ayton, and an owner who went to UA, I'd be very surprised if they would turn something like that down.

And you just mentioned why I'm prepping for Ayton and justifying him for Pick 1.

Ayton is Sarver's pick and his visit to watch Doncic is just to see what he is missing out on.

Sarver is UA alumni, desperate for some sort of resurgence from the local community... Etc.


I believe Sarver has told Gambo that he's picking Ayton hence why Gambo acted the way he did with Doncic.

Gambo isn’t Sarver’s mouthpiece anymore. He’s just being his over-the-top usual self. However he’s probably right.

[lilfishi22]

Had a listen to the latest Solar Panel podcast (minus Epso, thank god) and they had Cole Zwicker on just to talk about the top prospects in general. One of the listener questions related to #1 for KAT. He's super high on Luka so he'll keep #1 for Luka but would move 100% #1 (Ayton) for KAT.

It's a great listen as he touches on all the top prospects

[bigfoot]

Yes, this trade happens would only happen once Doncic is confirmed.
Magic have always done well with a center in the lottery.

Doncic plus two future unprotected firsts for Ayton? That's a no brainer yes for me. Who knows what our FO would do though? If there wasn't the local pressure of Ayton, and an owner who went to UA, I'd be very surprised if they would turn something like that down.

And you just mentioned why I'm prepping for Ayton and justifying him for Pick 1.

Ayton is Sarver's pick and his visit to watch Doncic is just to see what he is missing out on.

Sarver is UA alumni, desperate for some sort of resurgence from the local community... Etc.


I believe Sarver has told Gambo that he's picking Ayton hence why Gambo acted the way he did with Doncic.

More Sarver screwing the team over then. He shouldn't be making basketball decisions.

[lilfishi22]

Doncic plus two future unprotected firsts for Ayton? That's a no brainer yes for me. Who knows what our FO would do though? If there wasn't the local pressure of Ayton, and an owner who went to UA, I'd be very surprised if they would turn something like that down.

And you just mentioned why I'm prepping for Ayton and justifying him for Pick 1.

Ayton is Sarver's pick and his visit to watch Doncic is just to see what he is missing out on.

Sarver is UA alumni, desperate for some sort of resurgence from the local community... Etc.


I believe Sarver has told Gambo that he's picking Ayton hence why Gambo acted the way he did with Doncic.

More Sarver screwing the team over then. He shouldn't be making basketball decisions.

If he's making the decisions and his plan is getting a UA alumni for extra butts in seats then he's dooming this franchise for failure

[darealjuice]

Lol are you really going to blame Sarver because you wouldn’t like Ayton being picked over Doncic?

[lilfishi22]

Lol are you really going to blame Sarver because you wouldn’t like Ayton being picked over Doncic?

If he's basing his decision on putting butts in seats over choosing the best prospect then it's a terrible basketball decision.

[JMac1]

If Ayton's BPA at 1, we can't trade that pick for anything. Kid wants to be here. It's crazy good luck.

Yea. Man after watching Frankie Vision games such as USC, UCLA, UNLV, NC ST, USC, Alabama, SMU........man, it aint even close for me anymore.

He has up and unders, left and right hooks, drop steps as well All at 19! Lets work on his defense coach. That's what you do. Please don't over think it because you want David Robinson on Def day one. Make him David on D Booker, JJ, Igor. No way we can not draft this guy.....He will be unstoppable.

We are sooooo lucky!! I see what Charles was talking about.

Devin
Ayton
Jackson

and go from there.

[DirtyDez]

And you just mentioned why I'm prepping for Ayton and justifying him for Pick 1.

Ayton is Sarver's pick and his visit to watch Doncic is just to see what he is missing out on.

Sarver is UA alumni, desperate for some sort of resurgence from the local community... Etc.


I believe Sarver has told Gambo that he's picking Ayton hence why Gambo acted the way he did with Doncic.

More Sarver screwing the team over then. He shouldn't be making basketball decisions.

If he's making the decisions and his plan is getting a UA alumni for extra butts in seats then he's dooming this franchise for failure

ASU fans want him too though.

[DirtyDez]

Bordow was just on Fox 10 with Jude La Cava and said Sarver doesn’t get in the way of basketball decisions since Dragic. Btw he is so much better than Coro in front of the camera.

[DirtyDez]

If Ayton's BPA at 1, we can't trade that pick for anything. Kid wants to be here. It's crazy good luck.

Yea. Man after watching Frankie Vision games such as USC, UCLA, UNLV, NC ST, USC, Alabama, SMU........man, it aint even close for me anymore.

He has up and unders, left and right hooks, drop steps as well All at 19! Lets work on his defense coach. That's what you do. Please don't over think it because you want David Robinson on Def day one. Make him David on D Booker, JJ, Igor. No way we can not draft this guy.....He will be unstoppable.

We are sooooo lucky!! I see what Charles was talking about.

Devin
Ayton
Jackson

and go from there.

They need to bring on The Admiral as an assistant. Any news on Igor’s staff for real though?

[Bob8]

I'm not sure that Suns main target at the moment should be how to beat Warriors. But watching yesterdays game, I'm not sure how Ayton can help, even if he becomes top5 C in Nba. If people don't want Doncic, Suns should draft Young.

[bigfoot]

Watching two videos of Ayton's games on the previous page against NC State and Alabama one this clear. Ayton's post up game is pretty damn weak. His face up game is his strength on offense but it is primarily shooting over the top of shorter players. He has a very flat shot which is gonna get swatted often by bigger/quicker NBA players.

Definitely a big advantage Coach Miller gave to Ayton was by playing him along another 7 footer. It created huge mismatches offensively for Ayton as he's getting 6-6 to 6-8 guys defending him. It allowed him to get easy offensive boards around the rim for dunks. Sorry to say that isn't happening in the NBA.

I understand this kid looks physically imposing but his basketball talent (dribbling, shooting, passing, defense) is four years away from being anything close to dominant. He will rebound well but I suspect a good rookie year would be a 10pt/9rb type of player.

Towns looks way more talented as a college player than Ayton. He just played on a very good Kentucky team that had awesome players to share the scoring load and in a more difficult conference. That is an important thing to consider. UofA had a Strength-of-Schedule that was 63rd in the Nation. Ayton had a lot of easy teams to feast on compared to Bagley, Bamba, and other high rated big men. There are a lot of rosy colored glasses being worn when folks watch Ayton.

Watch on YouTube

[jcsunsfan]

Watching two videos of Ayton's games on the previous page against NC State and Alabama one this clear. Ayton's post up game is pretty damn weak. His face up game is his strength on offense but it is primarily shooting over the top of shorter players. He has a very flat shot which is gonna get swatted often by bigger/quicker NBA players.

Definitely a big advantage Coach Miller gave to Ayton was by playing him along another 7 footer. It created huge mismatches offensively for Ayton as he's getting 6-6 to 6-8 guys defending him. It allowed him to get easy offensive boards around the rim for dunks. Sorry to say that isn't happening in the NBA.

I understand this kid looks physically imposing but his basketball talent (dribbling, shooting, passing, defense) is four years away from being anything close to dominant. He will rebound well but I suspect a good rookie year would be a 10pt/9rb type of player.

Towns looks way more talented as a college player than Ayton. He just played on a very good Kentucky team that had awesome players to share the scoring load and in a more difficult conference. That is an important thing to consider. UofA had a Strength-of-Schedule that was 63rd in the Nation. Ayton had a lot of easy teams to feast on compared to Bagley, Bamba, and other high rated big men. There are a lot of rosy colored glasses being worn when folks watch Ayton.

Watch on YouTube

Nope. Towns does not have the same physical presence at all.

[bwgood77]

Watching two videos of Ayton's games on the previous page against NC State and Alabama one this clear. Ayton's post up game is pretty damn weak. His face up game is his strength on offense but it is primarily shooting over the top of shorter players. He has a very flat shot which is gonna get swatted often by bigger/quicker NBA players.

Definitely a big advantage Coach Miller gave to Ayton was by playing him along another 7 footer. It created huge mismatches offensively for Ayton as he's getting 6-6 to 6-8 guys defending him. It allowed him to get easy offensive boards around the rim for dunks. Sorry to say that isn't happening in the NBA.

I understand this kid looks physically imposing but his basketball talent (dribbling, shooting, passing, defense) is four years away from being anything close to dominant. He will rebound well but I suspect a good rookie year would be a 10pt/9rb type of player.

Towns looks way more talented as a college player than Ayton. He just played on a very good Kentucky team that had awesome players to share the scoring load and in a more difficult conference. That is an important thing to consider. UofA had a Strength-of-Schedule that was 63rd in the Nation. Ayton had a lot of easy teams to feast on compared to Bagley, Bamba, and other high rated big men. There are a lot of rosy colored glasses being worn when folks watch Ayton.

Watch on YouTube

I don't think Ayton's going to have too many problems scoring and he's a good passer. He obviously will have problems defensively and isn't the best screener but you're being a bit over the top here.

[MrMiyagi]

There have been such stupid arguments on both sides of this Ayton-Doncic debate that I don't think Phoenix fans deserve good basketball, because the majority don't even know what that is.

**** it. Take LiAngelo Ball 1st overall. Let Ayton and Doncic have fans who actually appreciate their talent.

[thamadkant]

Doncic plus two future unprotected firsts for Ayton? That's a no brainer yes for me. Who knows what our FO would do though? If there wasn't the local pressure of Ayton, and an owner who went to UA, I'd be very surprised if they would turn something like that down.

And you just mentioned why I'm prepping for Ayton and justifying him for Pick 1.

Ayton is Sarver's pick and his visit to watch Doncic is just to see what he is missing out on.

Sarver is UA alumni, desperate for some sort of resurgence from the local community... Etc.


I believe Sarver has told Gambo that he's picking Ayton hence why Gambo acted the way he did with Doncic.

More Sarver screwing the team over then. He shouldn't be making basketball decisions.

How is picking the best big man with 20/10 average as a 19 year old and a body and athleticism of an elite Olympian a bad basketball decision?

If you put the survival bias aside for small ball.... And focus on getting the player most likely to dominate and the position the Suns really need help from... You'd see that Ayton is arguably as good of a prospect as Doncic and fills the Suns most dire need... Today and I'm the last ... Ever... A potential All Star Center.

[bigfoot]

Watching two videos of Ayton's games on the previous page against NC State and Alabama one this clear. Ayton's post up game is pretty damn weak. His face up game is his strength on offense but it is primarily shooting over the top of shorter players. He has a very flat shot which is gonna get swatted often by bigger/quicker NBA players.

Definitely a big advantage Coach Miller gave to Ayton was by playing him along another 7 footer. It created huge mismatches offensively for Ayton as he's getting 6-6 to 6-8 guys defending him. It allowed him to get easy offensive boards around the rim for dunks. Sorry to say that isn't happening in the NBA.

I understand this kid looks physically imposing but his basketball talent (dribbling, shooting, passing, defense) is four years away from being anything close to dominant. He will rebound well but I suspect a good rookie year would be a 10pt/9rb type of player.

Towns looks way more talented as a college player than Ayton. He just played on a very good Kentucky team that had awesome players to share the scoring load and in a more difficult conference. That is an important thing to consider. UofA had a Strength-of-Schedule that was 63rd in the Nation. Ayton had a lot of easy teams to feast on compared to Bagley, Bamba, and other high rated big men. There are a lot of rosy colored glasses being worn when folks watch Ayton.

Watch on YouTube

Nope. Towns does not have the same physical presence at all.

Physique wise your right ... but Towns basketball skills and defensive motor were way better in college against more difficult college teams. UofA had a cream puff schedule this year... 63rd hardest in the nation versus #5 for Bamba's team and #18 for Bagley. You have to look at these things and the size advantage Ayton had against these weak teams that won't be there in the NBA.

[jcsunsfan]

Watching two videos of Ayton's games on the previous page against NC State and Alabama one this clear. Ayton's post up game is pretty damn weak. His face up game is his strength on offense but it is primarily shooting over the top of shorter players. He has a very flat shot which is gonna get swatted often by bigger/quicker NBA players.

Definitely a big advantage Coach Miller gave to Ayton was by playing him along another 7 footer. It created huge mismatches offensively for Ayton as he's getting 6-6 to 6-8 guys defending him. It allowed him to get easy offensive boards around the rim for dunks. Sorry to say that isn't happening in the NBA.

I understand this kid looks physically imposing but his basketball talent (dribbling, shooting, passing, defense) is four years away from being anything close to dominant. He will rebound well but I suspect a good rookie year would be a 10pt/9rb type of player.

Towns looks way more talented as a college player than Ayton. He just played on a very good Kentucky team that had awesome players to share the scoring load and in a more difficult conference. That is an important thing to consider. UofA had a Strength-of-Schedule that was 63rd in the Nation. Ayton had a lot of easy teams to feast on compared to Bagley, Bamba, and other high rated big men. There are a lot of rosy colored glasses being worn when folks watch Ayton.

Watch on YouTube

Nope. Towns does not have the same physical presence at all.

Physique wise your right ... but Towns basketball skills and defensive motor were way better in college against more difficult college teams. UofA had a cream puff schedule this year... 63rd hardest in the nation versus #5 for Bamba's team and #18 for Bagley. You have to look at these things and the size advantage Ayton had against these weak teams that won't be there in the NBA.

This is just way over thinking this. You look at the tools he has. No one since AD has come out with those tools. You look at his skill set. The footwork, the athleticism, the post work, the strength, the jumper, the rebounding. I am not worrying about SOS. There is tape of him against better teams. Doncic is a great player, but this is not really that hard of a decision.

[lilfishi22]

Nope. Towns does not have the same physical presence at all.

Physique wise your right ... but Towns basketball skills and defensive motor were way better in college against more difficult college teams. UofA had a cream puff schedule this year... 63rd hardest in the nation versus #5 for Bamba's team and #18 for Bagley. You have to look at these things and the size advantage Ayton had against these weak teams that won't be there in the NBA.

This is just way over thinking this. You look at the tools he has. No one since AD has come out with those tools. You look at his skill set. The footwork, the athleticism, the post work, the strength, the jumper, the rebounding. I am not worrying about SOS. There is tape of him against better teams. Doncic is a great player, but this is not really that hard of a decision.

I think this is an oversimplification. It's not just about physical tools. AD had all the footwork, athleticism etc etc and he was also already an elite defensive prospect. Ayton has good footwork, elite physicals, solid post work and rebounding but his defense wasn't impressive when he should've been considering the tools he has.

[AtheJ415]

Watching two videos of Ayton's games on the previous page against NC State and Alabama one this clear. Ayton's post up game is pretty damn weak. His face up game is his strength on offense but it is primarily shooting over the top of shorter players. He has a very flat shot which is gonna get swatted often by bigger/quicker NBA players.

Definitely a big advantage Coach Miller gave to Ayton was by playing him along another 7 footer. It created huge mismatches offensively for Ayton as he's getting 6-6 to 6-8 guys defending him. It allowed him to get easy offensive boards around the rim for dunks. Sorry to say that isn't happening in the NBA.

I understand this kid looks physically imposing but his basketball talent (dribbling, shooting, passing, defense) is four years away from being anything close to dominant. He will rebound well but I suspect a good rookie year would be a 10pt/9rb type of player.

Towns looks way more talented as a college player than Ayton. He just played on a very good Kentucky team that had awesome players to share the scoring load and in a more difficult conference. That is an important thing to consider. UofA had a Strength-of-Schedule that was 63rd in the Nation. Ayton had a lot of easy teams to feast on compared to Bagley, Bamba, and other high rated big men. There are a lot of rosy colored glasses being worn when folks watch Ayton.

Watch on YouTube

Nope. Towns does not have the same physical presence at all.

Physique wise your right ... but Towns basketball skills and defensive motor were way better in college against more difficult college teams. UofA had a cream puff schedule this year... 63rd hardest in the nation versus #5 for Bamba's team and #18 for Bagley. You have to look at these things and the size advantage Ayton had against these weak teams that won't be there in the NBA.

First, Ayton was usually guarded by the biggest guy. Just because he plays the 4 doesn't mean the other team's coach is going to stupidly put their smaller defenders on Ayton when he is physically bigger than Ristic. Second, Bamba and the others also had size advantages in college. Third, Ayton has dominated at a level those other 2 simply has not and he has more than proven he can play against the best players his age, including both Bagley and Bamba.