2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[bwgood77]

Don’t be surprised if Zack LaVine ends up with the Suns and Oubre with the Bulls .. not reporting just giving my suggestion

Not ever gonna happen unless we are facilitating him to NY.

Yeah, on the face of it, that's a terrible idea. If LaVine were to replace either Rubio or Bridges in the starting lineup, we'd be much, much worse. Dude's a homeless man's Devin Booker. I don't get it, ray.

I think LaVine fits that 6th man guard role we are looking for pretty good. Better than Oubre because he passes and is a better shooter/scorer and plays positions with less solid depth.

Takes up our cap space in 21 though.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Not ever gonna happen unless we are facilitating him to NY.

Yeah, on the face of it, that's a terrible idea. If LaVine were to replace either Rubio or Bridges in the starting lineup, we'd be much, much worse. Dude's a homeless man's Devin Booker. I don't get it, ray.

I think LaVine fits that 6th man guard role we are looking for pretty good. Better than Oubre because he passes and is a better shooter/scorer and plays positions with less solid depth.

Takes up our cap space in 21 though.

Lavine is one the the most lost defenders in the league though and makes oubre look like bridges in that regard.



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[bwgood77]

Yeah, on the face of it, that's a terrible idea. If LaVine were to replace either Rubio or Bridges in the starting lineup, we'd be much, much worse. Dude's a homeless man's Devin Booker. I don't get it, ray.

I think LaVine fits that 6th man guard role we are looking for pretty good. Better than Oubre because he passes and is a better shooter/scorer and plays positions with less solid depth.

Takes up our cap space in 21 though.

Lavine is one the the most lost defenders in the league though and makes oubre look like bridges in that regard.



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I do agree Oubre is a better defender and Zach is bad, but feel Oubre is quite overrated defensively. I just think he fits better as a 6th man who would come in and score and set up others.

[nevetsov]

If Oubre is chasing a payday next off season (which he is by only taking a 2 year deal), why would he accept coming off the bench?

He'll want to shine next season to maximise his payday.

Trade him while his value is high. The more he comes off the bench, the more his value goes down.

Here's the problem with this line of thinking. Suns aren't going to get fair value for him, and any move where Suns trade Kelly will likely hold them back. It's not like a team can trade for him and can re-sign him, so why would a team put up assets to trade for him? A team operating over the cap will likely not part away with their assets. It's a lose-lose situation. It's better to keep Oubre, if he plays well that's great, if he doesn't play well, then the team will have some cap space to play with next summer.

I don't see it that way at all.

If an over-the-cap team (2020-21 and 2021-22) really wants him, trading for him would be the only way they could acquire him, since they won't have the cap space in 2021 to sign him. By trading for him this off season, his bird rights transfers to them so they could go over the cap to re-sign him (like we can this off season with Baynes). Sure, he'll be an UFA, but at the end of the day Oubre will just want to get paid, so if the team is happy to do that and its a good situation why wouldnt he?

[King4Day]

Don’t be surprised if Zack LaVine ends up with the Suns and Oubre with the Bulls .. not reporting just giving my suggestion

I can only see the Bulls doing that as a cash dump. If the new GM wants to start over.

Do you still have contacts btw?

[BobbieL]

If Oubre is chasing a payday next off season (which he is by only taking a 2 year deal), why would he accept coming off the bench?

He'll want to shine next season to maximise his payday.

Trade him while his value is high. The more he comes off the bench, the more his value goes down.

Here's the problem with this line of thinking. Suns aren't going to get fair value for him, and any move where Suns trade Kelly will likely hold them back. It's not like a team can trade for him and can re-sign him, so why would a team put up assets to trade for him? A team operating over the cap will likely not part away with their assets. It's a lose-lose situation. It's better to keep Oubre, if he plays well that's great, if he doesn't play well, then the team will have some cap space to play with next summer.

I don't see it that way at all.

If an over-the-cap team (2020-21 and 2021-22) really wants him, trading for him would be the only way they could acquire him, since they won't have the cap space in 2021 to sign him. By trading for him this off season, his bird rights transfers to them so they could go over the cap to re-sign him (like we can this off season with Baynes). Sure, he'll be an UFA, but at the end of the day Oubre will just want to get paid, so if the team is happy to do that and its a good situation why wouldnt he?

I just don't know what his market is but he is the type of guy who seems like he would be a good 6th man - brings energy thats for sure. Sometimes will put points on the board.

Interesting offseason to be sure. At least this offseason we see how the team improved and not hoping.

[Frank Lee]

We just come off our most promising yr, in all of this dismality.... and y’all are bent on busting us up?.

I kind of like the thought of at least 2 of Saric, BrIdges, Oubre, and Johnson on the floor at all times

[BobbieL]

We just come off our most promising yr, in all of this dismality.... and y’all are bent on busting us up?.

I kind of like the thought of at least 2 of Saric, BrIdges, Oubre, and Johnson on the floor at all times

I am more inclined to stay the course: bring back Saric, Payne and Carter
Baynes - all depends on length of deal - but if he is open for 1/10 - -(not my money) - I am good with it.

The improvement of the team will come from players continuing to get better like Ayton, Bridges, Cam, Saric, Oubre and even Booker.

Just finding the right players to fill in the bench.

The one thing with Oubre - have to decide if he is the long term future and what are you willing to pay him. Hence, why it might be smart to move him this offseason.

[cberry78]

Personally, I'd resign Saric and sit down with Bridges, KO, Cam, and Saric and tell them that all 4 of them are worthy of starting and that each of them will have their opportunities throughout the season. Let them battle it out during training camp and give the best 2 options the start at the 3 and 4.

Both Cam and Bridges can back up Booker at the 2, so there are minutes there, all 4 of them can play the 3, Cam, KO, and Saric can play the 4, and Saric can put in time at the 5. There's more than enough minutes to go around among those 4, and regardless of who's starting, you can easily have all 4 average over 25 minutes a game.

[Wilber85]

Fans are dumb. We just showed we can win, and we even showed that this year.

Monty didn't have much time to play with rosters, lineups, etc.

Quit rushing to trade out people! We have 3 good SF's! Why trade one? We can play small ball! We can have one as 6th man.

You guys are crazy

[Fo-Real]

Not ever gonna happen unless we are facilitating him to NY.

Yeah, on the face of it, that's a terrible idea. If LaVine were to replace either Rubio or Bridges in the starting lineup, we'd be much, much worse. Dude's a homeless man's Devin Booker. I don't get it, ray.

I think LaVine fits that 6th man guard role we are looking for pretty good. Better than Oubre because he passes and is a better shooter/scorer and plays positions with less solid depth.

Takes up our cap space in 21 though.

Getting Zack LaVine to accept a backup role...... say that out loud to yourself!!!

[AtheJ415]

We should keep cap flexibility for next offseason and target someone like Beal. We should 10000% decline Kaminsky, bring in a good role player on a 1 year deal, and keep flexibility for then. Van Vleet is probably the only dude who would move the needle here anyways, and honestly I'm not sure he'll be worth his expected contract anyways.

[bwgood77]

Yeah, on the face of it, that's a terrible idea. If LaVine were to replace either Rubio or Bridges in the starting lineup, we'd be much, much worse. Dude's a homeless man's Devin Booker. I don't get it, ray.

I think LaVine fits that 6th man guard role we are looking for pretty good. Better than Oubre because he passes and is a better shooter/scorer and plays positions with less solid depth.

Takes up our cap space in 21 though.

Getting Zack LaVine to accept a backup role...... say that out loud to yourself!!!

True, I guess he's a 25/5/4 player on above avg efficiency. Would be a nice 6th man but probably a bit to ask for, and an expensive one at that.

[lilfishi22]

Don’t be surprised if Zack LaVine ends up with the Suns and Oubre with the Bulls .. not reporting just giving my suggestion

Not ever gonna happen unless we are facilitating him to NY.

Yeah, on the face of it, that's a terrible idea. If LaVine were to replace either Rubio or Bridges in the starting lineup, we'd be much, much worse. Dude's a homeless man's Devin Booker. I don't get it, ray.

Not a fan of Lavine at all. Very much a homeless man's Book and while I understand the need for more reliable scoring in the backcourt, I feel like Lavine would hurt the chemistry of this team with his reluctance to play any D and wanting to take 20 shots a game.

What we need is a reliable 15ppg scorer who can handle the rock, facilitate a bit and play smart, team basketball. I'm talking about Bogdanovic. Bring him home JJ

[AtheJ415]

We just come off our most promising yr, in all of this dismality.... and y’all are bent on busting us up?.

I kind of like the thought of at least 2 of Saric, BrIdges, Oubre, and Johnson on the floor at all times

Oubre was not a part of the highlight of our season, and Cam should 10000% be the starter. If Oubre has a problem not starting, then he should be moved while he has some value. I would take a top 10 pick or another player with similar value for him. He shouldn't be untradeable with his contract situation anyways.

I agree with keeping the rest though. And I don't mind keeping Oubre either, but I do if he wants to be paid like a star, because he's simply not one. He's our 4th best wing, a scorer at league average efficiency, and a mediocre defender. People tend to overrate guys who look like they are trying hard and want to run off people who don't (Warren, Justin Upton, etc.). Being high energy has value, but at the end of the day in today's NBA you are how efficient you play, and for all of Oubre's physical tools he's not particularly efficient.

[bwgood77]

We should keep cap flexibility for next offseason and target someone like Beal. We should 10000% decline Kaminsky, bring in a good role player on a 1 year deal, and keep flexibility for then. Van Vleet is probably the only dude who would move the needle here anyways, and honestly I'm not sure he'll be worth his expected contract anyways.

Beal is even worse defensively than LaVine. Not a good fit with Booker at all for defensive purposes. He is at 2nd to last on DRPM right between Isaiah Thomas and Trae Young. If you don't like RPM, just about any metric you look at is bad.

RAPTOR defensive rating...Beal...-3.8....LaVine is-1.2, Booker -2.9.

Beal DBPM is -2.4, DRTG 117...Booker DBPM -1.3, DRTG -114, LaVine DBPM -.8, DRTG 110

Not arguing for LaVine over Beal...or LaVine at all....I was just responding to ray ray's post..thinking about him as a 6th man.

Beal has a $34 million contract extension for 21-22 with a $37 million player option for 22-23. No way do I want him at that money anyway.

But our backcourt defense would be beyond awful, not even considering that it would be like a $70 million backcourt in 22-23.

I have been very happy with Rubio....seems really underrated among many fans.

[WeekapaugGroove]

We should keep cap flexibility for next offseason and target someone like Beal. We should 10000% decline Kaminsky, bring in a good role player on a 1 year deal, and keep flexibility for then. Van Vleet is probably the only dude who would move the needle here anyways, and honestly I'm not sure he'll be worth his expected contract anyways.

Beal is even worse defensively than LaVine. Not a good fit with Booker at all for defensive purposes. He is at 2nd to last on DRPM right between Isaiah Thomas and Trae Young. If you don't like RPM, just about any metric you look at is bad.

RAPTOR defensive rating...Beal...-3.8....LaVine is-1.2, Booker -2.9.

Beal DBPM is -2.4, DRTG 117...Booker DBPM -1.3, DRTG -114, LaVine DBPM -.8, DRTG 110

Not arguing for LaVine over Beal...or LaVine at all....I was just responding to ray ray's post..thinking about him as a 6th man.

Beal has a $34 million contract extension for 21-22 with a $37 million player option for 22-23. No way do I want him at that money anyway.

But our backcourt defense would be beyond awful, not even considering that it would be like a $70 million backcourt in 22-23.

I have been very happy with Rubio....seems really underrated among many fans.

Beal was absolutely bad defensively this season but I think he'd be much better if he was on a winning team and giving actual effort on that side of the ball. Hes a little like Booker in that regard.

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[bwgood77]

We should keep cap flexibility for next offseason and target someone like Beal. We should 10000% decline Kaminsky, bring in a good role player on a 1 year deal, and keep flexibility for then. Van Vleet is probably the only dude who would move the needle here anyways, and honestly I'm not sure he'll be worth his expected contract anyways.

Beal is even worse defensively than LaVine. Not a good fit with Booker at all for defensive purposes. He is at 2nd to last on DRPM right between Isaiah Thomas and Trae Young. If you don't like RPM, just about any metric you look at is bad.

RAPTOR defensive rating...Beal...-3.8....LaVine is-1.2, Booker -2.9.

Beal DBPM is -2.4, DRTG 117...Booker DBPM -1.3, DRTG -114, LaVine DBPM -.8, DRTG 110

Not arguing for LaVine over Beal...or LaVine at all....I was just responding to ray ray's post..thinking about him as a 6th man.

Beal has a $34 million contract extension for 21-22 with a $37 million player option for 22-23. No way do I want him at that money anyway.

But our backcourt defense would be beyond awful, not even considering that it would be like a $70 million backcourt in 22-23.

I have been very happy with Rubio....seems really underrated among many fans.

Beal was absolutely bad defensively this season but I think he'd be much better if he was on a winning team and giving actual effort on that side of the ball. Hes a little like Booker in that regard.

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I want a limited number of guys who are bad defenders but we hope give effort, particularly ones making $30+ million. He was much worse this past season and is normally better, like when they were competing, but was still bad.

[SuperSunsFan]

Saric was my favorite besides of course Book during the reset, this dude has been misused is his whole career, he is not a channing frye type stretch shooter, he is the diaw scola type slightly undersized big that needs to be put on the block to be effective.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Beal is even worse defensively than LaVine. Not a good fit with Booker at all for defensive purposes. He is at 2nd to last on DRPM right between Isaiah Thomas and Trae Young. If you don't like RPM, just about any metric you look at is bad.

RAPTOR defensive rating...Beal...-3.8....LaVine is-1.2, Booker -2.9.

Beal DBPM is -2.4, DRTG 117...Booker DBPM -1.3, DRTG -114, LaVine DBPM -.8, DRTG 110

Not arguing for LaVine over Beal...or LaVine at all....I was just responding to ray ray's post..thinking about him as a 6th man.

Beal has a $34 million contract extension for 21-22 with a $37 million player option for 22-23. No way do I want him at that money anyway.

But our backcourt defense would be beyond awful, not even considering that it would be like a $70 million backcourt in 22-23.

I have been very happy with Rubio....seems really underrated among many fans.

Beal was absolutely bad defensively this season but I think he'd be much better if he was on a winning team and giving actual effort on that side of the ball. Hes a little like Booker in that regard.

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I want a limited number of guys who are bad defenders but we hope give effort, particularly ones making $30+ million. He was much worse this past season and is normally better, like when they were competing, but was still bad.

Yeah I generally feel the same but I just think Beal is a hell of a player and I wouldn't completely dismiss looking into him if he became available.

But I'm in favor of a mostly running this team back with a few depth pieces added.

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