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Aside from Suns, which 7 teams do you think have the best chance at making the playoffs next year?

Clippers
6
14%
Grizzlies
5
12%
Kings
1
2%
Lakers
1
2%
Mavericks
6
14%
Nuggets
6
14%
Pelicans
3
7%
Rockets
2
5%
Thunder
6
14%
Timberwolves
6
14%
 
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Post#661 » by bullsaficianado » Wed Jun 19, 2024 12:24 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I just don't think there is one singular "blueprint" to winning a championship. Every few years that "blueprint" changes so trying to chase what the most recent winners has done doesn't necessarily mean you are or will build a winner. So there are traits you certainly want to value like continuity but so should offense, defense, TALENT, coaching etc etc. There's a myriad of different data points you could highlight to say *this* is why they won but reality is that it's a multitude of factors and imo the biggest is just maximising the talent you have but whatever means you can. Like if I look at the Mavs, I don't think they come close to the most talented teams but on their run, they absolutely maximised the role players which allowed their true talents to cook. Not too dissimilar to what the Heat have been doing routinely over the last few years while beating those Celtics teams. Continuity is a big factor but the Lakers won with a team that didn't know how to win before Lebron, coached by Vogel. Remember when the dynasty warriors was the blueprint? Well it's great on paper if you can find dudes as unique is Steph, Draymond and Klay while being coached by Kerr.

Like I said, maximising the talent you have will give you the best chance of being competitive, no matter what level of talent you have. If you have elite talent like we have, then maximising that will give you a good chance to have postseason success.


Yes that is all true. It's ultimately up to the players. I know Booker and Durant does a lot of whining to the refs like Luka. Notice how Boston does not whine to the refs very much. That plays a role imo of having that championship mentality that the Celtics and all champions in the past had. Whining gets you nowehere, go out and produce and you get results. The refs are not going to score you points, play defense for you and win you the game that is your job. STFU and do your job as a professional athlete. Players and their whining to the refs which is why LeBron would fit right in with the Suns. Just hope that Booker and Durant whine less to the refs next season.
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Post#664 » by Bogyo » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:16 am

Caruso for Giddey straight up? Intresting... A defender for an offender :D
Bulls will finally try a rebuild? At least on the fly - small sign and trade for Derozan to bottom out a bit, then see whatsup in 2 years?
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Post#665 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:22 pm

Bogyo wrote:Caruso for Giddey straight up? Intresting... A defender for an offender :D
Bulls will finally try a rebuild? At least on the fly - small sign and trade for Derozan to bottom out a bit, then see whatsup in 2 years?


That's pretty shocking. But Giddey was probably looking for a max extension and wish Shai, Jalen Williams and Chet, their salaries would get too high too quickly. Good for them though that they have so many picks to get guys on rookie contracts to develop them and have guys for cheap....mostly starting next year. Ended up nice for Presti. Of all his picks, he only has 1 in this bad draft, and 4 firsts next year that will allow them to add cheap contracts for 4 years starting 25-26. They may not use them all, but can use 2-3 of them, move up, or whatever.
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Post#666 » by sunsbg » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:33 pm

Thunder are Celtics-light and will only get better. They benched Giddey against Mavs and now replaced him with one of the best defenders in the league. Improve the frontcourt and they'll be even more scary.
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Post#668 » by KdoubleDees23 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:52 pm

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Bogyo wrote:Caruso for Giddey straight up? Intresting... A defender for an offender :D
Bulls will finally try a rebuild? At least on the fly - small sign and trade for Derozan to bottom out a bit, then see whatsup in 2 years?


That's pretty shocking. But Giddey was probably looking for a max extension and wish Shai, Jalen Williams and Chet, their salaries would get too high too quickly. Good for them though that they have so many picks to get guys on rookie contracts to develop them and have guys for cheap....mostly starting next year. Ended up nice for Presti. Of all his picks, he only has 1 in this bad draft, and 4 firsts next year that will allow them to add cheap contracts for 4 years starting 25-26. They may not use them all, but can use 2-3 of them, move up, or whatever.


Why doesn't this BS get blocked? Kid did't even get arrested. He was 19 and met a girl at an 18+ Club who had a fake ID. It should be her fault, clubs fault, etc. If it was an adult going to meet a girl that he knew was underage then that deserves a beat down, prison, etc.

Giddey wasnt arrested or charged. Stop the crap.

I think Giddey is a great fit for Chicago. Good trade for them
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Post#669 » by KdoubleDees23 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:53 pm

sunsbg wrote:Thunder are Celtics-light and will only get better. They benched Giddey against Mavs and now replaced him with one of the best defenders in the league. Improve the frontcourt and they'll be even more scary.


Not sure the fatuation with Caruso. Dude is an offensive liability, and didn't make the Thunder better
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Post#670 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:16 am

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sunsbg wrote:Thunder are Celtics-light and will only get better. They benched Giddey against Mavs and now replaced him with one of the best defenders in the league. Improve the frontcourt and they'll be even more scary.


Not sure the fatuation with Caruso. Dude is an offensive liability, and didn't make the Thunder better

How? He's a low usage scorer who won't take shots away from OKC's scorers, he can handle the ball, averaged 4.4 assists per36 while only turning it over 1.8 times per 36 (2.4 A:TO ratio), he shot 41% from 3 on almost 5 attempts a game, shot 43.5% on wide open 3's and was Devin Book efficient this past season. That's not even mentioning b2b all-defensive team selections. He's the ultimate high end utility player that every team wants.
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I wonder if there could be an Avenue for a three team trade somehow between Phoenix/ Dallas/ ??? With Nurkic and Hardaway going elsewhere, and Brook Lopez coming back to us in a deal since he's also been mentioned in trade rumors. Not sure of the necessary mechanisms in a three team deal for us to be able to take back Lopezs' 25 million? Obviously Little would have to be included in the deal somehow sidestepping the aggregation restriction.for salary matching too.

Hopefully seeing as Tellem is a master of three team trades that work around cap restrictions and CBA rules, he can find a conduit for this outcome to happen for us? But would anyone else have some creative ideas on this?
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Post#672 » by Saberestar » Sat Jun 22, 2024 7:16 pm

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I wonder if there could be an Avenue for a three team trade somehow between Phoenix/ Dallas/ ??? With Nurkic and Hardaway going elsewhere, and Brook Lopez coming back to us in a deal since he's also been mentioned in trade rumors. Not sure of the necessary mechanisms in a three team deal for us to be able to take back Lopezs' 25 million? Obviously Little would have to be included in the deal somehow sidestepping the aggregation restriction.for salary matching too.

Hopefully seeing as Tellem is a master of three team trades that work around cap restrictions and CBA rules, he can find a conduit for this outcome to happen for us? But would anyone else have some creative ideas on this?

Brook Lopez at this point of his career would be a downgrade at C. He is 36.
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Post#673 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 22, 2024 8:35 pm

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I wonder if there could be an Avenue for a three-team trade somehow between Phoenix/ Dallas/ ??? With Nurkic and Hardaway going elsewhere, and Brook Lopez coming back to us in a deal since he's also been mentioned in trade rumors. Not sure of the necessary mechanisms in a three-team deal for us to be able to take back Lopez's 25 million? Obviously Little would have to be included in the deal somehow sidestepping the aggregation restriction. for salary matching too.

Hopefully seeing as Tellem is a master of three team trades that work around cap restrictions and CBA rules, he can find a conduit for this outcome to happen for us. But would anyone else have some creative ideas on this?

Brook Lopez at this point of his career would be a downgrade at C. He is 36.
I would pass.


I hear you, man! And I believe the rooting interest in discussions around possibly trading for Lopez are mostly attached to a couple of key factors:

1- His past familiarity in Budenholzrs' system.
2- His mobility in drop coverage schemes/ weakside shot blocking being much better than Nurkics' currently.
3- His 3&D skillset/ floor spacing/3-point shooting prowess being much better than Nurkic.
4- His age-related shorter window still being an ideal fit for our limited two-year window of contention with the big three as his contract also being an expiring would not require a long-term investment if things don't work out.

I do wonder alternatively though IF anyone else has considered that Ryan Kalkbrenner might be the younger budget version of Brook Lopez for us???

It's somewhat surprising their overall size, length, mobility, and skillset similarities. Although clearly, Lopez is in a whole other tier in scoring ability. Kalkbrenner is 7'1 235 lbs with a 7'5 wingspan And is mobile and shoots around 29% from there, 71% from the Free Throw line. Also averages 3.1 blocks per game.
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Post#674 » by Qwigglez » Sun Jun 23, 2024 12:16 am

As much as I would love Brook Lopez, Suns have no way of obtaining him since he makes too much money. I'd actually prefer Brook Lopez over Nurkic simply because of Lopez's ability to spread the floor. I mean... Lopez can hit some deep threes.
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Post#675 » by garrick » Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:44 am

Qwigglez wrote:As much as I would love Brook Lopez, Suns have no way of obtaining him since he makes too much money. I'd actually prefer Brook Lopez over Nurkic simply because of Lopez's ability to spread the floor. I mean... Lopez can hit some deep threes.

That was supposed to be Nurkic's advantage over DA but it seems like that last season in Portland was a fluke and Nurk has fallen back to earth in regards to shooting 3's.

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