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Post#661 » by BobbieL » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:48 pm

Saberestar wrote:Marc Stein:

League sources say Ishbia could elect to bring in a new top executive before hiring a coach.

Johnny Bryant and Royal Ivey are names to monitor for HC role.


Another variable to monitor here: Suns lead executive James Jones is working on an expiring contract that only runs through June. Ishbia was non-committal Thursday during his end-of-season news conference about Jones remaining in that role; league sources say Ishbia could elect to bring in a new top executive before hiring a coach.

Cavaliers associate head coach Johnnie Bryant
and Rockets assistant coach Royal Ivey are two
more names to monitor, league sources say.

Ivey began establishing himself as an NBA head
coaching candidate by steering South Sudan's
national team into last summer's Paris Olympics and presumably would have an even stronger connectior to this job if the Suns decide not to trade Ivey's close friend and former college teammate Kevin Durant.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/rIybxFI13m

Royal Ivey LETSSSSS GOOO!


I just know the last timea Suns owner let a contract expire June 30 the Suns let Amare go to the Knicks but they signed Warrick, Frye, Childress -- all to multi year deals and traded Barbosa for Turkoglu

So maybe the Suns and Ishbia NEED to hire a true GM to figure this stuff out!!

Not hiring Ivey just to keep Durant though - -
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#662 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:36 pm

King4Day wrote:As for Beal, I don't believe Chicago would give us Williams AND Vuc AND Ball. Williams would be the main part if it meant getting off Beal. A longer bad contract for a shorter one.
Maybe they would do Beal and 2 first (Cavs) for Williams and Vuc? Otherwise, maybe remove a first, and remove Vuc.

Then if you can do KD for 2 of our picks back, and fillers, I think we'd be in a better place.

Goal this summer should be cleaning up the Beal/KD mess. Start over with a little draft control back along with getting under the 2nd apron.


Good points man!
For my part though, I'm not doing the trade and taking back P Wills' long term money without at least the inclusion of Ball and Vucevic! They are key to my roster construction plans and without them, I'd rather just look elsewhere.

And this is from someone who believes that P Williams vmcan still be salvaged in a new environment/ situation. :wink:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#663 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:53 pm

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#664 » by BobbieL » Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:00 pm

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King4Day wrote:As for Beal, I don't believe Chicago would give us Williams AND Vuc AND Ball. Williams would be the main part if it meant getting off Beal. A longer bad contract for a shorter one.
Maybe they would do Beal and 2 first (Cavs) for Williams and Vuc? Otherwise, maybe remove a first, and remove Vuc.

Then if you can do KD for 2 of our picks back, and fillers, I think we'd be in a better place.

Goal this summer should be cleaning up the Beal/KD mess. Start over with a little draft control back along with getting under the 2nd apron.


Good points man!
For my part though, I'm not doing the trade and taking back P Wills' long term money without at least the inclusion of Ball and Vucevic! They are key to my roster construction plans and without them, I'd rather just look elsewhere.

And this is from someone who believes that P Williams vmcan still be salvaged in a new environment/ situation. :wink:


I think one thing the Suns process of this rebuild if you will, would be to try to get a good amount of cap space in 2027. Knowing that if you do NOTHING with Beal, you have his contract off the books. Now, if you can add O'Neale &/or Allen and trade them for expirings in 2027 (Grant Williams)- that will add more that expire. I understand players will be signed so it wouldnt be the truly $85m of cap space in 2027 if you can move Grayson and Royce for epxirings and let Beal walk - but maybe you can somehow get to 40m to sign a good player or two
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Post#665 » by Saberestar » Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:17 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Marc Stein:

League sources say Ishbia could elect to bring in a new top executive before hiring a coach.

Johnny Bryant and Royal Ivey are names to monitor for HC role.


Another variable to monitor here: Suns lead executive James Jones is working on an expiring contract that only runs through June. Ishbia was non-committal Thursday during his end-of-season news conference about Jones remaining in that role; league sources say Ishbia could elect to bring in a new top executive before hiring a coach.

Cavaliers associate head coach Johnnie Bryant
and Rockets assistant coach Royal Ivey are two
more names to monitor, league sources say.

Ivey began establishing himself as an NBA head
coaching candidate by steering South Sudan's
national team into last summer's Paris Olympics and presumably would have an even stronger connectior to this job if the Suns decide not to trade Ivey's close friend and former college teammate Kevin Durant.

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/rIybxFI13m

Royal Ivey LETSSSSS GOOO!


I just know the last timea Suns owner let a contract expire June 30 the Suns let Amare go to the Knicks but they signed Warrick, Frye, Childress -- all to multi year deals and traded Barbosa for Turkoglu

So maybe the Suns and Ishbia NEED to hire a true GM to figure this stuff out!!

Not hiring Ivey just to keep Durant though - -

"Ishbia could elect to bring in a new top executive before hiring a coach."
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Post#666 » by BobbieL » Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:25 pm

Saberestar wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Marc Stein:




https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/rIybxFI13m

Royal Ivey LETSSSSS GOOO!


I just know the last timea Suns owner let a contract expire June 30 the Suns let Amare go to the Knicks but they signed Warrick, Frye, Childress -- all to multi year deals and traded Barbosa for Turkoglu

So maybe the Suns and Ishbia NEED to hire a true GM to figure this stuff out!!

Not hiring Ivey just to keep Durant though - -

"Ishbia could elect to bring in a new top executive before hiring a coach."



I should have noted that in my response - my bad. As that was the best part of the post and than add the anecdote about Bobby SArver playing GM

And for the record, I never minded signing Warrick - I just didn't understand why it needed to be a multiple year deal. Same with Childress..
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Post#667 » by BobbieL » Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:26 pm

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Just 3 more losses to go for the Rockets to wake up to the reality of desperately needing KD at nearly any cost.


I don't think I want Green in a Durant trade. Smith, Whitmore, cap filler and expirings plus a couple Suns picks back
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Post#668 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:02 pm

If the Nuggets flame out early, and given the growing contemptuous situation between Jokic/ Nuggets and Porter Jr, I could see a KD to Denver trade also being a possibility! Now, while far from my favorite trade option due to lack of draft assets, a package of Porter Jr/ Nnaji/ Westbrook/Holmes/ Braun/ Tyson/ DEN 3' 1st would not be a completely terrible package as it'd allow us to trade other pieces more easily!

- Braun- Replace Allen, who we could now trade.
- Westbrook replaces Jones at PG/ backup PG.
- Nnaji can be our floor spacing 3 & D backup 4/5.
- Holmes replaces Bol Bol as a 3rd rotation floor spacing 3 & D backup 4/5 complement to Ighodaro.
- Tyson would replace Damion Lee as our 3rd rotation SG option.

Now we can trade Allen and O'neale for players, draft assets, etc.
** Allen to Charlotte for G Williams AND CHO 25' 2nd (33rd pick) and NOP 25' 2nd ( 34th pick).
- Grant Williams replaces O'neale and also gives us an additional 13 million for 27' free agency.
** trade O'neale to San Antonio for Sochan.
OR
Toronto for Abaji/ Mogbo/ POR 25' 2nd (39th pick).
** Now trade Beal/ Nnaji/ CLE 27' 1st/ DEN 31' 1st to Chicago for Ball/ Vucevic/ POR 25' 2nd.

Gives us a roster of:
Ball/ Booker/ Dunn/ Porter Jr/ Vucevic.
Westbrook/ Braun/ Sochan/ Naji/ Richards.
Gillespie/Tyson/ G Williams/ Holmes/ Ighodaro.

** G Williams expires in 27, giving us 13 million in free agency.
** Porter Jr expires in 27, giving us 40 million in free agency.
Combined, that's 57 million (ironically) in free agency to add a big name or key high-level pieces, and then we could trade other pieces for more draft assets.

25' draft assets
- 29th pick. Yaxel Lendeborg or Carter Bryant. (If one falls).
- 33rd pick. Adou Thiero.
- 34th pick. Rocco Zisarsky.
- 53rd pick. John Tonje.

G League Development (3 two ways).
1- Lendeborg. To work on shooting/ball handling.
2- Adou Thiero. To Work on shooting/ playmaking.
3- Rocco Zisarsky. To work on shooting and ball handling.
** When Porter Jr, G Williams come off the books in 27, we sign a big name or two and trade other pieces and rotate Lendeborg, Thiero, and Zisarsky into the rotation. Tonje replaces Hunter (who we trade for assets).

Basically, a revolving infusion of young, cost-controlled positional depth pieces and tradable assets to trade for more draft picks and other assets to keep acquiring value. More or less what OKC does, but on a lower scale as our front office just isn't capable or responsible enough to operate on the same level as top tier teams.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#669 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:14 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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Just 3 more losses to go for the Rockets to wake up to the reality of desperately needing KD at nearly any cost.


I don't think I want Green in a Durant trade. Smith, Whitmore, cap filler and expirings plus a couple Suns picks back


As far as I'm concerned, if HOU is willing to send all three of our picks back, they can send us whatever contracts they want in exchange for KD.

If they would only give us our picks back for Booker, then sure, insist on Cam Whitmore. But the bottom line is that this franchise can't move forward unless we get those picks back. There's just no point drawing a line in the sand when the alternative is basketball purgatory.

Booker to HOU for the picks and Whitmore
KD for picks and whatever

Talent, shmalent. There is no hope without the tank.
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Post#670 » by BobbieL » Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:30 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
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Just 3 more losses to go for the Rockets to wake up to the reality of desperately needing KD at nearly any cost.


I don't think I want Green in a Durant trade. Smith, Whitmore, cap filler and expirings plus a couple Suns picks back


As far as I'm concerned, if HOU is willing to send all three of our picks back, they can send us whatever contracts they want in exchange for KD.

If they would only give us our picks back for Booker, then sure, insist on Cam Whitmore. But the bottom line is that this franchise can't move forward unless we get those picks back. There's just no point drawing a line in the sand when the alternative is basketball purgatory.

Booker to HOU for the picks and Whitmore
KD for picks and whatever

Talent, shmalent. There is no hope without the tank.


I agree but I have come to the conclusion Booker is staying so have to figure out how to best build that team
And I think it involves getting the cap under control over the next two years. Getting under apron levels, getting some picks back.
Being able to make multi player trades will be a big benefit
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#671 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:31 pm

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Just 3 more losses to go for the Rockets to wake up to the reality of desperately needing KD at nearly any cost.


I don't think I want Green in a Durant trade. Smith, Whitmore, cap filler and expirings plus a couple Suns picks back


You'd still need more pieces than that just for salary matching, otherwise, if we're expecting them to just eat around 30 million in remaining salary,
We'll get fewer picks back, treating this trade more as a salary dump. They'll still want to maintain a level of cap flexibility eeeveen after acquiring KD. Which is why you see the majority of their fans always trying to throw in Van Vleet as a salary center piece. And while I do have a significant interest in both Smith Jr and Whitmore, that value just isn't quite there for me in terms of reasonable, equitable value exchange. They'd have to up the value a bit for sure. The 3 trade packages I'd accept from them would be:

1- KD for J Green/ Landale/ Whitmore/ PHX 25' 1st (9th pick)/ PHX 27' 1st.
2- KD for D Brooks/ J Smith Jr/ Sheppard/ Whitmore/ PHX 25' 1st/ PHX 27' 1st.
3- Van Vleet/ Eason/ Whitmore/ PHX 25' 1st/ PHX 27' 1st.

** I'm not bothering with the 29th pick in this trade because by 29, we'll either accumulate players/ assets to trade for it around the 27-28 season, or else build out a roster competitive enough to drastically mitigate its overall value to a late 1st! For me, the immediate gap between 25-27/28. With 28' being addressed predominantly by the loaded 27' free agency. The key will be for us to not only extract maximum value in a KD trade to build out a young, exciting, upcoming roster around Booker to actually entice big-name/high-tier free agents to sign with us in 27 free agency. :wink:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#672 » by Puff » Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:44 pm

Who is in charge of making player and coaching decisions. Bartelstein or Jones?

Obviously, any decision has to be approved by Ishbia but does Jones report to Bartelstein? Bartelstein can be blamed for most of our problems due to his father being Bradley Beal's agent. I think he must go. Unless he helps us get rid of Beal without giving up draft picks or taking on a worse contract. I doubt that will happen due to his relationship with Matt. They played together in college, correct?
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#673 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:04 pm

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Just 3 more losses to go for the Rockets to wake up to the reality of desperately needing KD at nearly any cost.


I don't think I want Green in a Durant trade. Smith, Whitmore, cap filler and expirings plus a couple Suns picks back


As far as I'm concerned, if HOU is willing to send all three of our picks back, they can send us whatever contracts they want in exchange for KD.

If they would only give us our picks back for Booker, then sure, insist on Cam Whitmore. But the bottom line is that this franchise can't move forward unless we get those picks back. There's just no point drawing a line in the sand when the alternative is basketball purgatory.

Booker to HOU for the picks and Whitmore
KD for picks and whatever

Talent, shmalent. There is no hope without the tank.


But that is still drastically underseelling Booker's value in a Houston trade man! At minimum, it should be some combination of 2-3 young athletic core players AND the 3 1sts back! Maybe only two 1sts IF the 25' Houston pick jumps into the top 3. Not getting back Ameeen Thompson or Sengun is understandable. But Booker's current consensus value is around 2-3 promising, exciting, young, athletic, high potential talents, and 3-4 quality 1sts (at least two solid lottery of the 4). Don't let anyone mislead or convince you that it's less.

Suree the picks are very important, but the pick swaps that Jones imbecilically gave away like freakin "Oprah on her talk shows" make it eextraordinarily difficult if not nearly impossible to initiate a proper rebuild in even years, as multiple other teams hold control over our picks. UNLESS we do one of two things:

1- We accumulate young talent/ fillers (trade assets) towards either acquiring other teams' picks for the 26' and 28' draft??? This is still difficult as we'd have to try and accurately project a team's likelihood of collapse, resulting in a premium pick outcome. But if Ishbia hires the right legitimate GM and front office personnel, we should be able to do it. Also, pouring money into the acquisition of top-tier scouts and actual talent consultants. In successfully utilizing this strategy, we'll not only sidestep the poorer " least of" late firsts by drafting from the other teams' acquired premium 1sts, but those late "Least of" 1sts can be used to target supplementary depth or utility pieces.

2- We make sure we actually do get some combination of young, athletic core players on cost-controlled contracts to build out our roster around Booker and then utilize the accumulated cap space from the KD trade, etc to add higher value free agents now and espeecially in 2027. Or possibly even trading some of those acquired pieces for key players/other draft assets (for even years, to offset those pick swaps while additionally working towards being more competitive in the process?? :D
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#674 » by BobbieL » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:33 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
I don't think I want Green in a Durant trade. Smith, Whitmore, cap filler and expirings plus a couple Suns picks back


As far as I'm concerned, if HOU is willing to send all three of our picks back, they can send us whatever contracts they want in exchange for KD.

If they would only give us our picks back for Booker, then sure, insist on Cam Whitmore. But the bottom line is that this franchise can't move forward unless we get those picks back. There's just no point drawing a line in the sand when the alternative is basketball purgatory.

Booker to HOU for the picks and Whitmore
KD for picks and whatever

Talent, shmalent. There is no hope without the tank.


But that is still drastically underseelling Booker's value in a Houston trade man! At minimum, it should be some combination of 2-3 young athletic core players AND the 3 1sts back! Maybe only two 1sts IF the 25' Houston pick jumps into the top 3. Not getting back Ameeen Thompson or Sengun is understandable. But Booker's current consensus value is around 2-3 promising, exciting, young, athletic, high potential talents, and 3-4 quality 1sts (at least two solid lottery of the 4). Don't let anyone mislead or convince you that it's less.

Suree the picks are very important, but the pick swaps that Jones imbecilically gave away like freakin "Oprah on her talk shows" make it eextraordinarily difficult if not nearly impossible to initiate a proper rebuild in even years, as multiple other teams hold control over our picks. UNLESS we do one of two things:

1- We accumulate young talent/ fillers (trade assets) towards either acquiring other teams' picks for the 26' and 28' draft??? This is still difficult as we'd have to try and accurately project a team's likelihood of collapse, resulting in a premium pick outcome. But if Ishbia hires the right legitimate GM and front office personnel, we should be able to do it. Also, pouring money into the acquisition of top-tier scouts and actual talent consultants. In successfully utilizing this strategy, we'll not only sidestep the poorer " least of" late firsts by drafting from the other teams' acquired premium 1sts, but those late "Least of" 1sts can be used to target supplementary depth or utility pieces.

2- We make sure we actually do get some combination of young, athletic core players on cost-controlled contracts to build out our roster around Booker and then utilize the accumulated cap space from the KD trade, etc to add higher value free agents now and espeecially in 2027. Or possibly even trading some of those acquired pieces for key players/other draft assets (for even years, to offset those pick swaps while additionally working towards being more competitive in the process?? :D



I think the trade above getting Dillon Brooks plus the other players/picks was the best option for Durant

With Durant - they probably don't need Brooks
With Eason, they probably can move on from Smith
Two first round picks
But there needs to be more money so probably Jock L and somebody like Whitmore

I am not the biggest fan of Brooks but I think he would be that player next to Booker, like Crowder, - who is the tough guy, instigator type player.
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Post#675 » by KdoubleDees23 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:35 pm

I am telling now

Jabari Smith Jr, Eason, FVV and their pick for KD and our late first.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#676 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:37 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
I don't think I want Green in a Durant trade. Smith, Whitmore, cap filler and expirings plus a couple Suns picks back


As far as I'm concerned, if HOU is willing to send all three of our picks back, they can send us whatever contracts they want in exchange for KD.

If they would only give us our picks back for Booker, then sure, insist on Cam Whitmore. But the bottom line is that this franchise can't move forward unless we get those picks back. There's just no point drawing a line in the sand when the alternative is basketball purgatory.

Booker to HOU for the picks and Whitmore
KD for picks and whatever

Talent, shmalent. There is no hope without the tank.


But that is still drastically underseelling Booker's value in a Houston trade man! At minimum, it should be some combination of 2-3 young athletic core players AND the 3 1sts back! Maybe only two 1sts IF the 25' Houston pick jumps into the top 3. Not getting back Ameeen Thompson or Sengun is understandable. But Booker's current consensus value is around 2-3 promising, exciting, young, athletic, high potential talents, and 3-4 quality 1sts (at least two solid lottery of the 4). Don't let anyone mislead or convince you that it's less.

Suree the picks are very important, but the pick swaps that Jones imbecilically gave away like freakin "Oprah on her talk shows" make it eextraordinarily difficult if not nearly impossible to initiate a proper rebuild in even years, as multiple other teams hold control over our picks. UNLESS we do one of two things:

1- We accumulate young talent/ fillers (trade assets) towards either acquiring other teams' picks for the 26' and 28' draft??? This is still difficult as we'd have to try and accurately project a team's likelihood of collapse, resulting in a premium pick outcome. But if Ishbia hires the right legitimate GM and front office personnel, we should be able to do it. Also, pouring money into the acquisition of top-tier scouts and actual talent consultants. In successfully utilizing this strategy, we'll not only sidestep the poorer " least of" late firsts by drafting from the other teams' acquired premium 1sts, but those late "Least of" 1sts can be used to target supplementary depth or utility pieces.

2- We make sure we actually do get some combination of young, athletic core players on cost-controlled contracts to build out our roster around Booker and then utilize the accumulated cap space from the KD trade, etc to add higher value free agents now and espeecially in 2027. Or possibly even trading some of those acquired pieces for key players/other draft assets (for even years, to offset those pick swaps while additionally working towards being more competitive in the process?? :D


... Yeesh. You made me look again at the swap rights we conveyed in the non-Houston years. We're, like swapped to extinction in 2026. 2028 I think is just a WAS/PHX swap from our perspective but then, 2030: Wow. We'd have to be worse than WAS AND MEM to keep that pick.

If you think Booker/Whitmore/Smith is a good foundation, ok, I guess.

Any solution that nets us greater control of our future would be a step in the right direction.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#677 » by BobbieL » Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:06 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, if HOU is willing to send all three of our picks back, they can send us whatever contracts they want in exchange for KD.

If they would only give us our picks back for Booker, then sure, insist on Cam Whitmore. But the bottom line is that this franchise can't move forward unless we get those picks back. There's just no point drawing a line in the sand when the alternative is basketball purgatory.

Booker to HOU for the picks and Whitmore
KD for picks and whatever

Talent, shmalent. There is no hope without the tank.


But that is still drastically underseelling Booker's value in a Houston trade man! At minimum, it should be some combination of 2-3 young athletic core players AND the 3 1sts back! Maybe only two 1sts IF the 25' Houston pick jumps into the top 3. Not getting back Ameeen Thompson or Sengun is understandable. But Booker's current consensus value is around 2-3 promising, exciting, young, athletic, high potential talents, and 3-4 quality 1sts (at least two solid lottery of the 4). Don't let anyone mislead or convince you that it's less.

Suree the picks are very important, but the pick swaps that Jones imbecilically gave away like freakin "Oprah on her talk shows" make it eextraordinarily difficult if not nearly impossible to initiate a proper rebuild in even years, as multiple other teams hold control over our picks. UNLESS we do one of two things:

1- We accumulate young talent/ fillers (trade assets) towards either acquiring other teams' picks for the 26' and 28' draft??? This is still difficult as we'd have to try and accurately project a team's likelihood of collapse, resulting in a premium pick outcome. But if Ishbia hires the right legitimate GM and front office personnel, we should be able to do it. Also, pouring money into the acquisition of top-tier scouts and actual talent consultants. In successfully utilizing this strategy, we'll not only sidestep the poorer " least of" late firsts by drafting from the other teams' acquired premium 1sts, but those late "Least of" 1sts can be used to target supplementary depth or utility pieces.

2- We make sure we actually do get some combination of young, athletic core players on cost-controlled contracts to build out our roster around Booker and then utilize the accumulated cap space from the KD trade, etc to add higher value free agents now and espeecially in 2027. Or possibly even trading some of those acquired pieces for key players/other draft assets (for even years, to offset those pick swaps while additionally working towards being more competitive in the process?? :D


... Yeesh. You made me look again at the swap rights we conveyed in the non-Houston years. We're, like swapped to extinction in 2026. 2028 I think is just a WAS/PHX swap from our perspective but then, 2030: Wow. We'd have to be worse than WAS AND MEM to keep that pick.

If you think Booker/Whitmore/Smith is a good foundation, ok, I guess.

Any solution that nets us greater control of our future would be a step in the right direction.


I thought of this analogy today and I think its apt. So a city gets the rights to build a new sports arena so they are blowing up the old arena to build on the new site. Now I get there is the work done to make sure that when blowing up the old arena , there are the right precautions and steps and o course building, need the permits, architecture plans, etc

But just the act of blowing up an arena can take minutes - but the process to build takes yearss

Thank you Mat Ishbia -- as from the time you took over the team - what was it, like six months to truly blow it up and it will be how many years, to even get back to the play-offs. Bravo!! Well done. Impressive work
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#678 » by Slim Charless » Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:55 pm

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Just 3 more losses to go for the Rockets to wake up to the reality of desperately needing KD at nearly any cost.


I don't think I want Green in a Durant trade. Smith, Whitmore, cap filler and expirings plus a couple Suns picks back


As far as I'm concerned, if HOU is willing to send all three of our picks back, they can send us whatever contracts they want in exchange for KD.

If they would only give us our picks back for Booker, then sure, insist on Cam Whitmore. But the bottom line is that this franchise can't move forward unless we get those picks back. There's just no point drawing a line in the sand when the alternative is basketball purgatory.

Booker to HOU for the picks and Whitmore
KD for picks and whatever

Talent, shmalent. There is no hope without the tank.
Frank Lee wrote:VanVleet had a crap game too. I had him in a 5 way parlay to hit 2 threes. At one point he was 1-9 … he made it, but Sengun came up one RB short for my ticket to pay. He had like 2 boards in the second half. wtf

One of those games where they shoot better they likely win. 6/29 from 3 and 11/20 ft? Whitmore with a dnp

Clear tho, when GState clamped down, their O was stagnant. They win that game with KD instead of Green don’t you think?
Part 1 of Slim’s scheme complete


Giggity.

Zion and our picks back. Or Cam+Jabari and our picks back. Please and thank you .
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#679 » by BobbieL » Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:58 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
I don't think I want Green in a Durant trade. Smith, Whitmore, cap filler and expirings plus a couple Suns picks back


As far as I'm concerned, if HOU is willing to send all three of our picks back, they can send us whatever contracts they want in exchange for KD.

If they would only give us our picks back for Booker, then sure, insist on Cam Whitmore. But the bottom line is that this franchise can't move forward unless we get those picks back. There's just no point drawing a line in the sand when the alternative is basketball purgatory.

Booker to HOU for the picks and Whitmore
KD for picks and whatever

Talent, shmalent. There is no hope without the tank.
Frank Lee wrote:VanVleet had a crap game too. I had him in a 5 way parlay to hit 2 threes. At one point he was 1-9 … he made it, but Sengun came up one RB short for my ticket to pay. He had like 2 boards in the second half. wtf

One of those games where they shoot better they likely win. 6/29 from 3 and 11/20 ft? Whitmore with a dnp

Clear tho, when GState clamped down, their O was stagnant. They win that game with KD instead of Green don’t you think?
Part 1 of Slim’s scheme complete


Giggity.

Zion and our picks back. Or Cam+Jabari and our picks back. Please and thank you .



Slim - would have to include probably Dillon Brooks and Jock Londale to make the math work
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#680 » by thamadkant » Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:05 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:
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Mr Puddles wrote:I know heat culture is a bit of an overused trope, but the level of effort Miami is playing with compared to the Suns this past season is day and night. They look like they're legitimately going to give the number 1 seed in the east a hard time in the first round despite their lack of star power.



Culture is not a myth.

Sports culture is proven.

Spurs proved it and proves it... sure they've had a bad 5 years but they are about to be dominant again for the next 15 with the moves they've made and are making.... they have picks galore, 2 cornerstone players, young up and comers and space.

Suns, I thought, was building one whe they had Crowder, CP3 leading the young, with Booker, Ayton, Cam Johnson, Mikal and so many first rounders coming up. Back in 2021 literally other teams envied the Suns. Laker fans were pondering of trading Davis for Ayton, filler and picks, the Suns were legit one reliable veteran leader off the bench from winning championships... I say that because of CP3... he tends to break down come playoffs but a veteran playmaker leader type off the bench as backup would have carried the team over.

Monty alienating Crowder and Ayton started the downfall, but it could have been salvaged by getting another coach. CP3 and Crowder together were immense locker room leaders, should have given Crowder another year of starting and just eased his minutes gradually so he could have gotten another secured contract. But Monty had his ways...

Trading for KD was a bad decision, but again could have been salvaged with Vogel fixing the Ayton issue, but before game 1 of the season, the team traded Ayton and Toumani for pretty much nothing. Let's not mention CP3 trade..


Agreed except for the Ayton part. He is unsalvageable. We don't really know what happened. But look where Ayton is now. Blazers fans cant wait to get rid of him or only think of him as a future expiring. And Crowder has not seen significant minutes since his refusal to come off the bench, which was only logical.

Maybe Monty could have handled that better, who knows. But those two were at fault for sure.



Monty killed Ayton's growth potential.

And Blazers look like a Playoff team when Ayton tries. Half their fan base likes him the other wants to trade him because he only turns up sometimes... same old thing Suns went through. It's a motivation thing. Shaq said it best, give the man a consistent offensive role and he will turn up both ends. Having ball hogs as team mates affected Ayton. But I've seen pretty much all his games this season and he is great with Deni and Scoot, those 3 have chemistry. My point, unmotivated players need the proper leader and coach to help guide them while their young.


In other cases, the Suns also gave up on Jalen Smith too soon, because Monty didn't like him either. Basically, Monty had his favourites and if you got to his bad side he wasn't going to try to save the relationship... he was a niche personality type of coach.

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