Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[Saberestar]

Like PP has mentioned, what is considered fair value for Bledsoe is unknown, but both forums have different views.

What was mentioned on our board, which make's sense is what you got for Joe Johnson: Boris Diaw, a 2006 1st round draft pick (Rajon Rondo was later selected) and a 2008 1st round draft pick (Robin Lopez was later selected). Back then draft picks weren't as valued as now.

So I think Mayo, 2015 1st and Clippers 2017 1st would be something both would be interested in

Mayo is not a professional basketball player anymore. He weights around 240 lbs and he is not even 6'4....no way we touch that.

He;s not so fat anymore

Well, that photo is not make me feel better about him.......he was on drugs?

[Fo-Real]

There is no GODDAMN WAY!!! that before Mayo's name came out of your mouth that you could have possibly thought itwas a good idea!!!! If ypu did.... no one can possibly take you seriously from this point on ..... dont ya see!?!?!?

[NavLDO]

Total departure from Bledsoe discussion.

Bogdan. He is 2" shorter than Warren, but has a longer Wingspan at just over 6'11", and a Standing Reach of just a tad over 8'8", about equal to that of Warren.

Is Bogdan a SG ONLY, or does he have any chance as a SF as well. I know he's just about 200lbs, but he's fairly strong...should be able to defend SFs, right?

Not sure why I'm asking...I'm just curious that when he comes over, would he back-up Warren at SF, in addition to starting or backing up SG? Thoughts?

I'm excited now after the World Cup as to his prospects of coming over.

[Sunsdeuce]

DUDE...... you seemed like a reasonable and sane business man slash fan from another team...... until you blatantly used the name Mayo in anything related to basketball!!!! Cant believe you slapped my mamma in the face like that!!!! How can we be friends now!?!?!? You sir go wash your mouth out!!!!

Lol, that was awesome!!


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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't care how much Mayo sucks. If taking his contract for two years nets us two picks, including the Bucks' 2015 1st, I'm so in.

[Jdiddy701]

I am tired of first round draft picks being the important part of a trade. I want proven players. We have enough young guys. That's just my opinion.. Never been a huge fan of 1st rounders in trades for quality players. Not mad about having more but tired of the phrase "the future." I want something NOW especially with the core we have now.


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[paulpressey25]

I am tired of first round draft picks being the important part of a trade. I want proven players.

Then you guys need to step up and offer Bledsoe a 4/$63 contract like the one Gordon Hayward got. And if Bledsoe doesn't accept it, go public with the offer and have Sarver say that even though the team is negotiating against itself, we view Eric as a core member of this team going forward and want him in a Suns uniform for a long-time.

Bledsoe is the best proven player you guys are going to get. And if Bledsoe then turns down 4/$63, he's completely delusional and let him take the QO. But 4/$63 allows he and Rich Paul to save face and retains your best asset long-term.

Otherwise you can keep taking the chance Bledsoe blinks at 11:59pm on September 30th and takes something lower. On a risk/reward basis I'm not sure it's worth the risk. The QO is mutual assured destruction for both sides but Bledsoe and Paul might be crazy enough to do it. But it hurts the Suns as well.

[Jdiddy701]

Nah, Bledsoe is proven and one HELL of a PG, but them knees aren't proven. Any team that throws that money at him is not smart and would be taking a big gamble. Suns will not be that team. I understand draft picks probably the only choice for a trade for Bledsoe so I guess that's all we can do. We shall see


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[Frank Lee]

The deal will be Waiters for Bledsoe straight up. Mark it down. Its been plan B all along.
Bled's camp is skippered by James, and he wants his lil buddy Gilligan on his Island.

Think about it.... it's the only thing that makes sense. Paul/James says Bledsoap gets a max offer, or he takes the QO.
Suns say we'll see if he gets a max, then might match it, but here is our starting offer....Paul/James says max or QO/walking next yr....... But, .... we have convinced Gilbert .... Suns can have waiters and we'll (Cleve) will take Bledsoap so there is no hard feelings.

I think it may be a done deal already and it may explain the inactivity of the Suns FO concerning Mini-King...who I will then refer to as Twinkie.

Good to see you back/around Johnny VC

[LukasBMW]

I think Waiters is a great talent. I'd love to have him and Dragic in the back court. IF he can keep his head on straight.

Waiters was pretty disruptive in the Cleveland locker room from what I heard.

And while a Dragic/Waiters back court makes sense (a tall PG and an undersized SG), a Bledsoe/Irving backcourt doesn't (two TRUE PG's).

[Frank Lee]

Don't fully agree Lukas... for I look at Dragic as a true PG, and it seemed to work here. Cleveland currently has just one back up PG (to my knowledge) and he is roster fodderJohn Lucas 3.... they need another PG. And yes, Waiters had rumored run ins with Irving. Did Ennis and Waiters play together btw?

Also, Keep in mind who is calling the shots in this equation

[batsmasher]

Otherwise you can keep taking the chance Bledsoe blinks at 11:59pm on September 30th and takes something lower. On a risk/reward basis I'm not sure it's worth the risk. The QO is mutual assured destruction for both sides but Bledsoe and Paul might be crazy enough to do it. But it hurts the Suns as well.

I suppose the other way to look at is that it also hurts the Suns if Bled gets 63/4 and end ups injuring himself again. It destroys some of the flexibility McD has worked so hard to create. From what I gather, that is priority #1 for McD. Bled isn't the player he wants to be holding him back from jumping on a better trade in the future.

A 4/48 Bled who has injured himself again might still be moveable. A 4/63 won't be (without giving up an asset).

[Frank Lee]

haha... just read a bunch of smack on the Cleve board about Waiters for Bledsoap....

they are worried the King will get what he wants.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

And while a Dragic/Waiters back court makes sense (a tall PG and an undersized SG), a Bledsoe/Irving backcourt doesn't (two TRUE PG's).

But Bledsoe can guard 2's, which changes everything. Waiters can't guard anyone. I can see why Cleveland would do it. But would Thomas and Waiters work as a combo? I doubt it. Plus think: the only way this trade can happen is if Bled takes the QO. That obviously can't be what Rich Paul intends (if he takes the QO, he wants NY or LA, right?). Besides, they have three superstars in Cleveland: does Bledsoe really want to be the #4 guy on a team, even if LeBron's on it?

... Not that I think it could happen, but I can't believe no one else would take Mayo, MIL #1 2015 and LAC #1 2015. Mayo may be garbage, but that is a better deal than we'll likely get (since we may very well get nothing). We have plenty of PG talent to soften the blow. I say, keep developing talent. Maintain the positive culture; play to win. Draft more players.

The reason we should prefer draft picks to talent right now is because our roster is full. We have to play the Morrises and they can't really be moved right now. We have a lot of guys with something to prove on this roster. Some of them probably expect more playing time than will likely be available. In short, we don't need talent because we already have it.

I wish we knew more about the Bledsoe situation, but it's so quiet right now that almost anything could happen.

[spanishninja]

check out this rankings by SI.com

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/top-100-nba- ... -2015-list

Irving at 21, Dragic at 35, Bledsoe at 33, Klay at 54? garbage list.

[LukasBMW]

SI sucks and they have for a long time.

[LukasBMW]

Perhaps the Suns want Bledsoe to take the QO so we can try to spend the season to convince him to stay.

If we have not had contact with him, that will change if he takes the QO as we will have 82 games (or more if we get into the playoffs) to get in his ear.

[batsmasher]

haha... just read a bunch of smack on the Cleve board about Waiters for Bledsoap....

they are worried the King will get what he wants.

I'd be over the moon if we could get Dion.

Unfortunately the only way that can happen is if they trade Andy Varejao or TT. Not enough filler contracts to make up Bled's contract.

Either way it's not going to happen haha.

[Blackification]

Nba.com's top 5 under the radar Smitty put Bogdan on the list I am excited to have him come over. He has that killer mentality

[SunsFanSSOL]

Waiters is undersized, inefficient and has attitude problems. I wouldn't want him at all and Cavs fans should be ecstatic if they can snag Bledsoe for him, but there's no way it happens. However, he is close with the Morris twins....