2016 Draft

[Bogyo]

I wont touch Hield in the top10, late lotto if you really need a guy like him as the missing piece, not the case of Phoenix, you should go for BPA and highest ceiling no matter what, sure, you can look at him, but for me he belongs in the 15-25 range most likely.

I understand you, but like Oladipo or McCollum in the last few years this guy has improved A LOT in his last year in college. He was a second round pick option entering this season (or late first round pick at best)...but like Oladipo in his junior year in Indiana he has improved at everything over the summer and physically is really good (not Jimmer Fredette comparison here).

I think that he isn't gonna be available at #12 (Wiz pick)...but if he is there I would take him in a heartbeat.

Oladipo is not precisely a good example, he would go late lotto again if that Draft were tohappen again.

McCollum yes, but he is much craftier, quicker, shiftier and a better ballhandler than Hield, is not even in the same ballpark game.
Hield is going to be a solid player, like a better defensive version of Wayne Ellington, or a more well-rounded, less chucker, more efficient Jodie Meeks, but he is a low-end prospect, and unless you really need that type of catch-shoot starter at 2 and he is the piece missing, maybe for Chicago if they miss the PO, for example, you dont pick him that high.

I completely expect him to be available around 10-14, thats the earliest he should go, any team taking him higher is nuts.

As you probably saw in my earlier post I m also not that high on for the Suns, but I just don't see 9 guys taken ahead of him, and no way in hell he lands 14th in this draft. 8-9 guys would have to "jump ahead" of him in the tourney.

[No-Man]

I understand you, but like Oladipo or McCollum in the last few years this guy has improved A LOT in his last year in college. He was a second round pick option entering this season (or late first round pick at best)...but like Oladipo in his junior year in Indiana he has improved at everything over the summer and physically is really good (not Jimmer Fredette comparison here).

I think that he isn't gonna be available at #12 (Wiz pick)...but if he is there I would take him in a heartbeat.

Oladipo is not precisely a good example, he would go late lotto again if that Draft were tohappen again.

McCollum yes, but he is much craftier, quicker, shiftier and a better ballhandler than Hield, is not even in the same ballpark game.
Hield is going to be a solid player, like a better defensive version of Wayne Ellington, or a more well-rounded, less chucker, more efficient Jodie Meeks, but he is a low-end prospect, and unless you really need that type of catch-shoot starter at 2 and he is the piece missing, maybe for Chicago if they miss the PO, for example, you dont pick him that high.

I completely expect him to be available around 10-14, thats the earliest he should go, any team taking him higher is nuts.

Hopefully you are right and we can pick him with the Wizars pick.

I dont really understand why you would do so, the Suns, in my mind need to pick front court players and international prospects, with your pick I'd target whoever is available between Ingram, Simmons, Bender, Rabb and Brown.
With the Wizards pick I'd go after a wing, Korkmaz, Luwawu (if he is there, which I doubt), Juancho Hernangomez or Ellenson (these two are PF, Ellenson more so of a stretch C, so only if you select Ingram/Brown with your pick), then with the late Cleveland pick and the 2nd round I'd target best available, likely someone from a group of, Prince, Cordinier, Hammons, Robert Carter Jr., Sabonis, Labissiere, Cornelie, McCaw, Beasley, Finney-Smith, Zizic, LeVert, Hayes or Bacon

I have a bunch of guys non-declaring that might, and could be interesting, like Bentil, Zhou Qi, Deyonta Davis, Marquese Chriss, etc...
This draft is really international heavy, and you have 4 top33 picks, you should spend two in european prospects 100%.

Right now I have the Suns picking Bender at 3#, Derrick Jones Jr. at 12#, Isaia Cordinier at 28# and Nigel Hayes at 33#.

[No-Man]

As you probably saw in my earlier post I m also not that high on for the Suns, but I just don't see 9 guys taken ahead of him, and no way in hell he lands 14th in this draft. 8-9 guys would have to "jump ahead" of him in the tourney.

I have him somewhere around 20 in my big board, like I said it is tricky, I'd rank my top40 prospect by "role/position" like this, tell me where you disagree so we can talk it through.

Ball-Handlers

Kris Dunn
Wade Baldwin IV
Tyler Ulis
Malik Newman
Melo Trimble
Demetrius Jackson

Wings

Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Furkan Korkmaz
Jamal Murray
Derrick Jones Jr.
Buddy Hield
Denzel Valentine
Patrick McCaw
Isaia Cordinier
Grayson Allen
Caris LeVert
Malik Beasley
Dwayne Bacon

Swings

Brandon Ingram
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Juancho Hernangómez
Taurean Prince
Dorian Finney-Smith
Nigel Hayes
Paul Zipser

Bigs

Dragan Bender
Ivan Rabb
Jakob Poeltl
Damian Jones
Ivica Zubac
Henry Ellenson
Domantas Sabonis
Stephen Zimmerman
Skal Labissiere
Robert Carter Jr.
AJ Hammons
Diamond Stone
Petr Cornelie
Ante Zizic

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

As you probably saw in my earlier post I m also not that high on for the Suns, but I just don't see 9 guys taken ahead of him, and no way in hell he lands 14th in this draft. 8-9 guys would have to "jump ahead" of him in the tourney.

I have him somewhere around 20 in my big board, like I said it is tricky, I'd rank my top40 prospect by "role/position" like this, tell me where you disagree so we can talk it through.

Ball-Handlers

Kris Dunn
Wade Baldwin IV
Tyler Ulis
Malik Newman
Melo Trimble
Demetrius Jackson

Wings

Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Furkan Korkmaz
Jamal Murray
Derrick Jones Jr.
Buddy Hield
Denzel Valentine
Patrick McCaw
Isaia Cordinier
Grayson Allen
Caris LeVert
Malik Beasley
Dwayne Bacon

Swings

Brandon Ingram
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Juancho Hernangómez
Taurean Prince
Dorian Finney-Smith
Nigel Hayes
Paul Zipser

Bigs

Dragan Bender
Ivan Rabb
Jakob Poeltl
Damian Jones
Ivica Zubac
Henry Ellenson
Domantas Sabonis
Stephen Zimmerman
Skal Labissiere
Robert Carter Jr.
AJ Hammons
Diamond Stone
Petr Cornelie
Ante Zizic

You have Grayson Allen pretty low, Zubac too high, Stone too low... and where is Kay Felder (aka IT3 pt. 2)?

[No-Man]

I fail to see how Stone is going to be more than a bench big at the next level, he cant do much outisde of finishing inside and run, he is not going to be able to defend in space and he cant shot, even if he develops a reliable shot, that's pretty much Speights.

Zubac is a tremendous prospect, if anything I have him too low, unproven at the pro level, but he is huge, mobile, smart, plays hard, can both protect the rim and move, good passer, and has an array of moves in the post, he is 18.

The problem with Allen is that whenever he has been defended by any sort of NBA type of athlete he has struggled mightly, he has not elite handles or 1st step to create space for himself and he tends to force the issue, he is a feisty, nasty competitor, that tries hard and can shoot it, but his ceiling is likely a bench Guard, and this draft is wing heavy, with a ton of prospects that could likely be a bit better.

Havent watched enough of Felder, I was impressed with him against MSU, and he has the frame and game to be drafted, but guys his side and type of game pan everyonce in a while, I'd likely have him in my top45 though.

[Bogyo]

As you probably saw in my earlier post I m also not that high on for the Suns, but I just don't see 9 guys taken ahead of him, and no way in hell he lands 14th in this draft. 8-9 guys would have to "jump ahead" of him in the tourney.

I have him somewhere around 20 in my big board, like I said it is tricky, I'd rank my top40 prospect by "role/position" like this, tell me where you disagree so we can talk it through.

Ball-Handlers

Kris Dunn
Wade Baldwin IV
Tyler Ulis
Malik Newman
Melo Trimble
Demetrius Jackson

Wings

Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Furkan Korkmaz
Jamal Murray
Derrick Jones Jr.
Buddy Hield
Denzel Valentine
Patrick McCaw
Isaia Cordinier
Grayson Allen
Caris LeVert
Malik Beasley
Dwayne Bacon

Swings

Brandon Ingram
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Juancho Hernangómez
Taurean Prince
Dorian Finney-Smith
Nigel Hayes
Paul Zipser

Bigs

Dragan Bender
Ivan Rabb
Jakob Poeltl
Damian Jones
Ivica Zubac
Henry Ellenson
Domantas Sabonis
Stephen Zimmerman
Skal Labissiere
Robert Carter Jr.
AJ Hammons
Diamond Stone
Petr Cornelie
Ante Zizic

Wow, that is very detailed. You follow college ball a lot more than I do, so I don't mind losing this battle at all.
Your big board is totally different than what I m used to, I usually only see by picks, not in groups like this.
BUT: I can't see Hield being taken after the 4 wings you got him after. He is too good of a shooter, and teams value that nowdays.
Murray and Luwawu might go ahead of him for different reasons, but Korkomaz and Jones Jr?
If you care to explain, I'd be happy to read/learn.

[No-Man]

I actually changed after this, I am 50/50 on Derrick Jones Jr declaring (like about a few other prospects, so you can take him off and add KFelder or RSulaimon to that top40) but if he does he is a major prospect, likely the best athlete in the whole Draft, not only he is explosive, he is aggressive and plays with an edge, the issue is his shooting flaws, but his mechanics are not bad, he needs to get stronger also, but he is quick, moves with sense and attacks constantly, not saying he is going to be a major player, but his potential is there.

Korkmaz is 4 years younger than Hield, he is a better athlete, more explosive, and longer, he is a guy that is getting burn in Euroleague with a really good team, he needs to get stronger but other than having a worse frame/strength there is not that much separating him from Hezonja for example, actually Korkmaz plays more under control and within a pace while been younger, which is impressive.

I have Hield 4th among wings as of now, and overall somewhere around 15-20, top20 nonetheless.

[Bogyo]

Cool, tks for the info/insight!

[saintEscaton]

Ingram needs to take it upon himself to dig Duke out of this hole vs Pitt. 13 points in the first half on decent efficiency, 60% from beyond the arc on 5 attempts. Not getting much help

[Twuan89]

Can The Suns Make The Playoffs Next Year?

[DirtyDez]

Ingram has been struggling lately as Simmons continues to consistently put up good numbers...

Disregarding Minnesota's perspective would you trade #1 for Wiggins? I definitely would even though Simmons/Ingram are better 4's.

[ATTL]

Watched LSU/Florida play and Ben looked really good passing out of the post and making quick plays. He moved his feet pretty well while defending the perimeter. Winning the lotto would be amazing.

[rsavaj]

I've only watched a few videos of Stone but dude doesn't look like he has the explosion/athleticism to succeed as a big in today's NBA. Pass on him if he's still available with the Wizards pick.

DX has Stone at #9 on their Big Board, followed by Buddy Hield at #10, Demetrius Jackson #11, Timothe Luwawu at #12, and Deytona Davis #13. I think the Wiz pick will end up in the 10-13 range.

Luwawu makes a lot of sense, IMO, especially as a draft and stash guy(like Bogdanovic).

Zubac seems like a great pick at the end of the 1st round too.

I really hope we find some way to get a solid playmaking PG on this roster this summer. Price isn't a bad 3rd stringer at all, and he sets a good example with his defense/hustle, but man...even if we bring in 3 rookies(Simmons/Luwawu/Zubac), re-sign Leuer or Mirza(heck, could be both), bring over Bogdanovic...we still end up with a roster that's not going to be much better than the one that imploded this year:

Bledsoe/Goodwin/Price
Booker/Knight/Bogdanovic
Warren/Tucker/Luwawu
Simmons?/Leuer/Mirza
Len/Chandler/Zubac

Not an atrocious 15 man roster, but not something that I'm going to be excited about.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Ingram 41 / 114 shots (36%) in the last 8 games.

That's suppose to be his difference to Simmons.

I'm waivering on him being a clear no.2 pick, other players with much better momentum heading into March.

[DRK]

Im with Rsavaj on Stone. Not a fan. His hands live up to his name, and hes not very skilled, not is he a great defender.

He looks like Kwame Brown.

EDIT: Found a comment on youtube that voiced my sentiments exactly. Usually youtube comments are a cesspool but this is totally true.
"Can't finish or struggles in traffic (and this was against college centers lol), average basketball iq, lack of size and strength. Tbh i don't know why he's a top rated prospect. Sure some nights he scores a lot and he's a good rebounder but still... that's pretty much it. No finesse, too eager to make highlights, no visible skill... at all. "

[Mulhollanddrive]

Jamal Murray has better numbers than Brandon Knight at Kentucky and just doing a quick read of their fan discussions, all of them think he will be better.

Could be an interesting if he's picked 4 or 5!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Jamal Murray has better numbers than Brandon Knight at Kentucky and just doing a quick read of their fan discussions, all of them think he will be better.

Could be an interesting if he's picked 4 or 5!

I'm pretty confident that he's the real deal. Also a terrible fit. I know we're committed to taking BPA, but that would leave us with Knight/Booker/Goodwin/Bogdan/Murray at the two spot. That's just impossible.

We're going to have to deal on draft night one way or the other. Don't be shocked, if we land at 4 or 5, that it's the top pick we decide to move.

[DRK]

Can Bogdan play the 3?

Bledsoe/Goodwin
Booker/Bogdan
TJ/Bogdan
??/PJ
Len/TC


Assets: Phx 1st Rounder, Wash 1st

Trade away: Knight

Target in Trade: PF?

[Saberestar]

Jamal Murray has better numbers than Brandon Knight at Kentucky and just doing a quick read of their fan discussions, all of them think he will be better.

Could be an interesting if he's picked 4 or 5!

I'm pretty confident that he's the real deal. Also a terrible fit. I know we're committed to taking BPA, but that would leave us with Knight/Booker/Goodwin/Bogdan/Murray at the two spot. That's just impossible.

We're going to have to deal on draft night one way or the other. Don't be shocked, if we land at 4 or 5, that it's the top pick we decide to move.

I do not like him because he is not athletic enough, not a great passer and he does not have a clear position on the court. Not a PG, not a SG. He is 6'4...but he does not have wide shoulders or an strong body, I think he is similar to Tyler Ennis on that regard.

I probably would take him with our Wiz pick if he is available, but not in the Top 10 right now.

[MathiasPW]

Murray screams Brandon Knight 2.0 to me, and I am not very fond of that style of play.

Any player who has "decision making" as one of his weaknesses should not be a target for our team, specially in one of the guard spots