On Warrens value, I don't think the perception of that contract was as good of a value as some here thought it was. He was very publicity available and obviously there weren't a bunch of teams lined up to take it. I think the fact its still on the books the summer of 21 hurts it. Now maybe the league is foolish and teams should have been more interested but true 'value' is what someone is willing to pay for something.RunDogGun wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:I agree it didn't work out.RunDogGun wrote:Looking at Johnson's stats before the trade, he was playing horribly and was still battling lingering injuries. Because we took on extra salary in the deal, it cost us Warren as well. We could have stretched Anderson. It wasn't really tough to figure out it was a bad trade from the beginning. I mentioned it when we made the trade, but others thought it was a good move. $19 mil for an often injured, rarely consistent combo guard, who was in a shooting funk, is bad.
I do disagree that it cost them TJ Warren. Right or wrong I think they decided to move on from both TJ and Josh Jackson regardless any other circumstances. Josh for obvious off court stuff plus the fact he was simply awful when he played and they weren't going to pick up his 4th year option. With TJ I don't think they felt he was a good fit with Booker and Ayton and the on/off numbers with those two weren't great. There also seemed to be a riff between him and the training staff/team. By the end of last season it was obvious a divorce was coming. Now it was probably the suns fault for this riff but that doesn't make it any less real.
Now I didn't agree with the methods (should have cut Jackson vs trading him and Melton) and I know some wanted one or both guys to stick around but the bottom line is it was pretty clear neither guy was going to be a part of the 19-20 team.
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There was clear value for Warren. He was on a good contract, and produced good numbers. He improved his game each year. Because of the Tyler/Ryan trade, the Suns put themselves into being forced to cut salary.
Jackson was a bad pick, his off court troubles were well known, as was his poor shot form. But we didn't exactly give him an environment to develop. I was really hoping we could have traded him and other pieces for Rubio at the end of last season, that way we wouldn't have had to open salary to sign him. I thought last year Rubio was the type of point guard that could run an offense that would help both Ayton and Booker. I didn't know he would play through the summer and put extra wear on his body.
Again right or wrong they decided they didn't want him anymore. My point was I don't think it was based on the domino effect of other moves.
It's interesting how polar opposite Jones and McD approached things like this. With Jones if a player doesn't want to be here or they don't want someone they make the move without much regard for extracting maximum value. With McD he would hold a player until he felt he was getting value with little regard to team chemistry or player relations. This burned him on a few guys. And was kind of a win the battle lose the war situations.
Honestly going too far to either of these extremes isn't a good thing. Jones probably needs to focus on value more but not to the extreme McD took things.
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