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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#681 » by SunsRback4Good » Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:54 am

Jalen Brunson got much better from what I remember last season. Dallas has one scary duo in Luka/Brunson. Reminds me of good guard backcourts in previous years with Dame/CJ & Curry/Klay.

BW, if Brunson wants a near max contract will Cuban give it to him? I know that Cuban isn't cheap like Sarver, but can the Mavs keep Brunson if he wants a nice payday?
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#682 » by sunsbg » Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:04 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:Jalen Brunson got much better from what I remember last season. Dallas has one scary duo in Luka/Brunson. Reminds me of good guard backcourts in previous years with Dame/CJ & Curry/Klay.

BW, if Brunson wants a near max contract will Cuban give it to him? I know that Cuban isn't cheap like Sarver, but can the Mavs keep Brunson if he wants a nice payday?


Mavs fans were debating if Brunson is worth 80/4 before this game. Doubt it they will pay anything close to a max for a short combo guard, but he probably increased his value with 2-3M after this game. Not sure how good of a fit he is next to Luka, so there is a chance Mavs use him in a sign and trade for a big.

On another note, I think Brunson was taken just after Tyler Ulis. Imagine having him now on the bench. Quite a lot of time since then, but still similar to Jerome/Poole situation.

EDIT: Okobo it was, then Jevon Carter and Brunson.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#683 » by BobbieL » Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:03 pm

matt131 wrote:Draymond hitting the three and strutting back on defense as if he's a 75% three point shooter is about enough for me. Gotta turn this one off haha


I appreciated the way the Warriors play the game - especially that five year run
But I also think they had an over-inflated value of themselves
Especially Draymond - when he insinuated he was better than BArkley when he is actually more Rodman or Michael Cooper for his team - that was the end for me

But when I really started disliking them was that crappy stunt Kerr pulled when he had Iguodala and Green coach the team against the worst in the league Suns as the players needed a new voice

Pull that crap against the Rockets of Harden/Paul or the Spurs with Popovich - not the worst team in the league

And I like how the Warriors are dangerous playing against the same Nuggets team that didn't ahve MUrray and Porter. The Suns blew them out in four games too.

Suns got a long way to go but pulling for the Grizzlies over the Twolves
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#684 » by ATTL » Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:06 pm

I need to see the warriors against the grizz next series to see a real defensive effort
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#685 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:22 pm

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Revived wrote:Jordan Poole is up for an extension this summer…are the warriors gonna max him even with Curry/Thompson still on max/super max deals?

If not teams will definitely be lining up to max him out in RFA next year’s summer.

Poole was drafted 4 selections after James Jones drafted Ty Jerome in 2019…
And I think it was considered a reach where poole was picked. Hat tip to him and the warriors development. He's Gilbert Arenas 2.0. It is going to be tricky for them to keep him because he shouldn't take anything less than a max for an early extension because some team would give him that as a RFA in 23.

I liked the Jerome pick at the time. Then I watched him play like 3 games before I was like 'oh **** this dude simply isn't athletic enough'.

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Jordan Poole as a max player? I don't see that at all barring a huge jump. I know he's shown it in the last few months with 3 pt shooting and is very efficient overall, but that seems excessive.
If he keeps this up next season I could see some team throwing that 4yr RFA max at him in 23. Guys who can score off the bounce are sought after. And if not 'max' I could definitely see something like 4 yr 100mil

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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#686 » by Bogyo » Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:04 pm

ATTL wrote:I need to see the warriors against the grizz next series to see a real defensive effort


I don't think it's the Grizz.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#687 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:15 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:And I think it was considered a reach where poole was picked. Hat tip to him and the warriors development. He's Gilbert Arenas 2.0. It is going to be tricky for them to keep him because he shouldn't take anything less than a max for an early extension because some team would give him that as a RFA in 23.

I liked the Jerome pick at the time. Then I watched him play like 3 games before I was like 'oh **** this dude simply isn't athletic enough'.

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Jordan Poole as a max player? I don't see that at all barring a huge jump. I know he's shown it in the last few months with 3 pt shooting and is very efficient overall, but that seems excessive.
If he keeps this up next season I could see some team throwing that 4yr RFA max at him in 23. Guys who can score off the bounce are sought after. And if not 'max' I could definitely see something like 4 yr 100mil

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I think he's a max player. I can't imagine him signing for anything less.

(Would you rather have LaVine, or Poole? Silly question, really.)
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#688 » by bwgood77 » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:52 pm

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SunsRback4Good wrote:Jalen Brunson got much better from what I remember last season. Dallas has one scary duo in Luka/Brunson. Reminds me of good guard backcourts in previous years with Dame/CJ & Curry/Klay.

BW, if Brunson wants a near max contract will Cuban give it to him? I know that Cuban isn't cheap like Sarver, but can the Mavs keep Brunson if he wants a nice payday?


Mavs fans were debating if Brunson is worth 80/4 before this game. Doubt it they will pay anything close to a max for a short combo guard, but he probably increased his value with 2-3M after this game. Not sure how good of a fit he is next to Luka, so there is a chance Mavs use him in a sign and trade for a big.

On another note, I think Brunson was taken just after Tyler Ulis. Imagine having him now on the bench. Quite a lot of time since then, but still similar to Jerome/Poole situation.

EDIT: Okobo it was, then Jevon Carter and Brunson.


I don't remember much talk about Brunson, but there should have been. He was Villanova's most important player on their championship run, their MVP, and the NCAA player of the year.

And I'm sure Bridges would have loved having his teammate. But we would have big problems trying to pay him.

I had heard before that the Mavs might not be able to keep him, and that teams would be after him. They should do whatever it takes to keep him though. I think he fits perfectly with Doncic.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#689 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:05 am

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
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Jordan Poole as a max player? I don't see that at all barring a huge jump. I know he's shown it in the last few months with 3 pt shooting and is very efficient overall, but that seems excessive.
If he keeps this up next season I could see some team throwing that 4yr RFA max at him in 23. Guys who can score off the bounce are sought after. And if not 'max' I could definitely see something like 4 yr 100mil

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I think he's a max player. I can't imagine him signing for anything less.

(Would you rather have LaVine, or Poole? Silly question, really.)


Well, as of right now, pretty silly. Poole isn't really better at anything offensively, besides maybe in a stretch. The argument would be the age difference.

Poole may get better and has gotten fairly close with his #s.

LaVine was selected for the olympics, voted highly by players (2nd among guards for the east) and 3rd by the fans and media. I don't know where or if Poole got voted.

I think LaVine would probably look a lot better with the Warriors as well, and Poole not as good for the Bulls.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#690 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:44 am

bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:If he keeps this up next season I could see some team throwing that 4yr RFA max at him in 23. Guys who can score off the bounce are sought after. And if not 'max' I could definitely see something like 4 yr 100mil

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I think he's a max player. I can't imagine him signing for anything less.

(Would you rather have LaVine, or Poole? Silly question, really.)


Well, as of right now, pretty silly. Poole isn't really better at anything offensively, besides maybe in a stretch. The argument would be the age difference.

Poole may get better and has gotten fairly close with his #s.

LaVine was selected for the olympics, voted highly by players (2nd among guards for the east) and 3rd by the fans and media. I don't know where or if Poole got voted.

I think LaVine would probably look a lot better with the Warriors as well, and Poole not as good for the Bulls.


I'm going by the eyes on this one my man. I've been impressed by Poole for a while. The range, the quick trigger, the ability to hit with such consistency whether catching on the move, pulling up off the dribble or spotting up. I know LaVine's got range, but I think he's lost a bit of quickness, and the added strength hasn't really helped his midrange game much.

I just love Poole's quick trigger. You can't just put any player in his shoes and get similar results. Poole's a beast.

No worth arguing. We just disagree. Time will adjudge me right or wrong (though I truly don't think it will take long... maybe a month!).
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Post#691 » by bwoolf2 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:03 am

Wolves Grizzlies is a brutal watch basically a foul every possession
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Post#692 » by suns12345 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:14 am

bwgood77 wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:Jalen Brunson got much better from what I remember last season. Dallas has one scary duo in Luka/Brunson. Reminds me of good guard backcourts in previous years with Dame/CJ & Curry/Klay.

BW, if Brunson wants a near max contract will Cuban give it to him? I know that Cuban isn't cheap like Sarver, but can the Mavs keep Brunson if he wants a nice payday?


Mavs fans were debating if Brunson is worth 80/4 before this game. Doubt it they will pay anything close to a max for a short combo guard, but he probably increased his value with 2-3M after this game. Not sure how good of a fit he is next to Luka, so there is a chance Mavs use him in a sign and trade for a big.

On another note, I think Brunson was taken just after Tyler Ulis. Imagine having him now on the bench. Quite a lot of time since then, but still similar to Jerome/Poole situation.

EDIT: Okobo it was, then Jevon Carter and Brunson.


I don't remember much talk about Brunson, but there should have been. He was Villanova's most important player on their championship run, their MVP, and the NCAA player of the year.

And I'm sure Bridges would have loved having his teammate. But we would have big problems trying to pay him.

I had heard before that the Mavs might not be able to keep him, and that teams would be after him. They should do whatever it takes to keep him though. I think he fits perfectly with Doncic.


I dont really think it would work out money or timing wise, but as a purely academic exercise, how would brunson go as our cp3 replacement with our squad?
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#693 » by Revived » Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:17 am

I don’t think Poole is a max player right now based on his production thus far…but I think teams will offer him the max based on his potential. Maybe close to half the max offers are given based on potential anyway.

I know I brought it up before but Russell and Wiggins were paid the max based on potential. Hell if we’re being honest, Booker was paid the max based on the potential of him improving overall as well and thankfully he has.

Poole’s numbers as a scorer and playmaker look very similar to Lillard’s at same age.

He is pretty bad defensively though so in a potential series against them, we can take advantage of him and Curry defensively when they go to their new death lineup.
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Post#694 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:48 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
I think he's a max player. I can't imagine him signing for anything less.

(Would you rather have LaVine, or Poole? Silly question, really.)


Well, as of right now, pretty silly. Poole isn't really better at anything offensively, besides maybe in a stretch. The argument would be the age difference.

Poole may get better and has gotten fairly close with his #s.

LaVine was selected for the olympics, voted highly by players (2nd among guards for the east) and 3rd by the fans and media. I don't know where or if Poole got voted.

I think LaVine would probably look a lot better with the Warriors as well, and Poole not as good for the Bulls.


I'm going by the eyes on this one my man. I've been impressed by Poole for a while. The range, the quick trigger, the ability to hit with such consistency whether catching on the move, pulling up off the dribble or spotting up. I know LaVine's got range, but I think he's lost a bit of quickness, and the added strength hasn't really helped his midrange game much.

I just love Poole's quick trigger. You can't just put any player in his shoes and get similar results. Poole's a beast.

No worth arguing. We just disagree. Time will adjudge me right or wrong (though I truly don't think it will take long... maybe a month!).


I've been pretty impressed with Poole from early this year. Not really heard too much before that. LaVine has been impressive for a couple years now with his efficiency and all around offensive game.

I use some eye test and always read analysts, breakdowns and look at the #s...I can't go too much solely off the eye test since I don't see more than 10-15 Bulls games or Warriors games.

I meant to respond earlier that I think Brunson vs Poole would be a good debate as to who you'd rather have. https://stathead.com/tiny/y7mUI

I'd probably slightly lean Brunson as I think he's a better game manager with ast/to.

I think Poole is a very good high volume 3 pt shooter who can get hot. I think he would have been a great 6th moy candidate had one of Klay, Draymond and Curry not been out most of the season, giving him the chance to start most of his games.
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Post#695 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:13 am

Revived wrote:I don’t think Poole is a max player right now based on his production thus far…but I think teams will offer him the max based on his potential. Maybe close to half the max offers are given based on potential anyway.

I know I brought it up before but Russell and Wiggins were paid the max based on potential. Hell if we’re being honest, Booker was paid the max based on the potential of him improving overall as well and thankfully he has.

Poole’s numbers as a scorer and playmaker look very similar to Lillard’s at same age.

He is pretty bad defensively though so in a potential series against them, we can take advantage of him and Curry defensively when they go to their new death lineup.


It will be interesting to see what he gets. I wouldn't be surprised if he took a reasonable extension this summer. In the spring, people were estimating it could be around 4/$80.

I will admit I didn't think Wiggins or Russell were worth a max either. And everyone thought Wiggins was overpaid until he was an all star starter this year.

Poole is interesting in that he gets to play with so many guys that attract defenders in Curry, Klay, Wiggins, etc...and then a great passing big in Draymond.

I think after a huge playoff game people are talking about him a ton more. But I immediately noticed how well he was playing early this season....he was definitely a guy everyone tried to add in fantasy and a savvy draft pick if you drafted him.
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Post#696 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:18 am

suns12345 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Mavs fans were debating if Brunson is worth 80/4 before this game. Doubt it they will pay anything close to a max for a short combo guard, but he probably increased his value with 2-3M after this game. Not sure how good of a fit he is next to Luka, so there is a chance Mavs use him in a sign and trade for a big.

On another note, I think Brunson was taken just after Tyler Ulis. Imagine having him now on the bench. Quite a lot of time since then, but still similar to Jerome/Poole situation.

EDIT: Okobo it was, then Jevon Carter and Brunson.


I don't remember much talk about Brunson, but there should have been. He was Villanova's most important player on their championship run, their MVP, and the NCAA player of the year.

And I'm sure Bridges would have loved having his teammate. But we would have big problems trying to pay him.

I had heard before that the Mavs might not be able to keep him, and that teams would be after him. They should do whatever it takes to keep him though. I think he fits perfectly with Doncic.


I dont really think it would work out money or timing wise, but as a purely academic exercise, how would brunson go as our cp3 replacement with our squad?


He would be great, but he wanted to hit UFA this summer and previously wanted 4/$80 as an extension...he may want or get more now that is is an UFA.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#697 » by Revived » Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:00 am

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Terrible news for the Bucks. Would be cool if both Bucks and Suns can overcome injuries to their star SG and make it back to the finals. Of course Booker is much better than Middleton and his loss is a bigger one to the Suns so not an apples to apples comparison but yeah.
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Post#698 » by spanishninja » Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:08 am

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Terrible news for the Bucks. Would be cool if both Bucks and Suns can overcome injuries to their star SG and make it back to the finals. Of course Booker is much better than Middleton and his loss is a bigger one to the Suns so not an apples to apples comparison but yeah.


i dont know if the gap is that far apart between the two, especially in the playoffs. Book is prob more consistent but Middleton is no joke. Looks like MCL sprain may be more sever of an injury than the hamstring one Booker has tho
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Post#699 » by RunDogGun » Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:30 pm

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Terrible news for the Bucks. Would be cool if both Bucks and Suns can overcome injuries to their star SG and make it back to the finals. Of course Booker is much better than Middleton and his loss is a bigger one to the Suns so not an apples to apples comparison but yeah.

Maybe they have some Greek medicine left over? :dontknow: Joking aside, that sucks for the Bucks.
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Post#700 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:49 pm

That Bucks Bulls game was similar to the last suns game. Sure Milwaukee can play better but that was some ridiculous shot making by DeRozen down the stretch. Make/miss league.

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