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2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

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Do you truly expect the Suns to win the finals this year?

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#6981 » by Saberestar » Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:32 pm

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RunDogGun wrote:Chowder needs to be benched.

Not happening. He just needs to score some 3p shot here and there and he is fine.

But he isn't. He can't really guard BI, and has troubles on CJ when the switch happens. If we don't make the move and he continues to play terribly, we are just wasting this playoffs to placate his ego. A change needs to happen, and its not just filling in Booker's starting spot. We need to match the Pels length, and this game is the best opportunity to do it. Chowder has done just fine off the bench on all eight of the teams he has been on. He shouldn't have been a starter in the first place. Cam was our bubble starter, and shouldn't have lost the job, just because Chowder chose to come here as a FA.

The only players that can guard pretty well to Ingram are Siakam and Anteto. The guy has a CRAZY wingspan and length and is supertalented, no one is gonna defend him well enough. Not even Mikal.

We need to realize that he is gonna score around 30 no matter what, but we need to stop other pieces.

Crowder is who he is. This is not about the last 5 games, the guy is in the league for 10 years and he has always been the same two-way player. He is rock solid as a 25-30 minutes per game player. He is shooting bad now but that happens to a lot of players and coaches can't give up on them because of that. He is a 35% 3p shooter.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#6982 » by sunsbg » Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:45 pm

Saberestar wrote:
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Saberestar wrote:Not happening. He just needs to score some 3p shot here and there and he is fine.

But he isn't. He can't really guard BI, and has troubles on CJ when the switch happens. If we don't make the move and he continues to play terribly, we are just wasting this playoffs to placate his ego. A change needs to happen, and its not just filling in Booker's starting spot. We need to match the Pels length, and this game is the best opportunity to do it. Chowder has done just fine off the bench on all eight of the teams he has been on. He shouldn't have been a starter in the first place. Cam was our bubble starter, and shouldn't have lost the job, just because Chowder chose to come here as a FA.

The only players that can guard pretty well to Ingram are Siakam and Anteto. The guy has a CRAZY wingspan and length and is supertalented, no one is gonna defend him well enough. Not even Mikal.

We need to realize that he is gonna a score around 30 no matter what, but we need to stop other pieces.

Crowder is who he is. This is not about the last 5 games, the guy is in the league for 10 years and he has always being the same two-way player. He is rock solid as a 25-30 minutes per game player. He is shooting bad now but that happens to a lot of players and coaches can't give up on them because of that. He is a 35% 3p shooter.


Monty won't give up on him, but if Jae is off again he certainly should not play more than Cam as he did in first two games. I want to see Biyombo finally as well, whether taking minutes from Crowder or McGee.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#6983 » by King4Day » Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:55 pm

sunsbg wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:But he isn't. He can't really guard BI, and has troubles on CJ when the switch happens. If we don't make the move and he continues to play terribly, we are just wasting this playoffs to placate his ego. A change needs to happen, and its not just filling in Booker's starting spot. We need to match the Pels length, and this game is the best opportunity to do it. Chowder has done just fine off the bench on all eight of the teams he has been on. He shouldn't have been a starter in the first place. Cam was our bubble starter, and shouldn't have lost the job, just because Chowder chose to come here as a FA.

The only players that can guard pretty well to Ingram are Siakam and Anteto. The guy has a CRAZY wingspan and length and is supertalented, no one is gonna defend him well enough. Not even Mikal.

We need to realize that he is gonna a score around 30 no matter what, but we need to stop other pieces.

Crowder is who he is. This is not about the last 5 games, the guy is in the league for 10 years and he has always being the same two-way player. He is rock solid as a 25-30 minutes per game player. He is shooting bad now but that happens to a lot of players and coaches can't give up on them because of that. He is a 35% 3p shooter.


Monty won't give up on him, but if Jae is off again he certainly should not play more than Cam as he did in first two games. I want to see Biyombo finally as well, whether taking minutes from Crowder or McGee.


I think Biz should take McGee's minutes in this series. Just a bad matchup for JaVale
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Post#6984 » by Revived » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:20 pm

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#6985 » by bwgood77 » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:34 pm

Saberestar wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Not happening. He just needs to score some 3p shot here and there and he is fine.

But he isn't. He can't really guard BI, and has troubles on CJ when the switch happens. If we don't make the move and he continues to play terribly, we are just wasting this playoffs to placate his ego. A change needs to happen, and its not just filling in Booker's starting spot. We need to match the Pels length, and this game is the best opportunity to do it. Chowder has done just fine off the bench on all eight of the teams he has been on. He shouldn't have been a starter in the first place. Cam was our bubble starter, and shouldn't have lost the job, just because Chowder chose to come here as a FA.

The only players that can guard pretty well to Ingram are Siakam and Anteto. The guy has a CRAZY wingspan and length and is supertalented, no one is gonna defend him well enough. Not even Mikal.

We need to realize that he is gonna score around 30 no matter what, but we need to stop other pieces.

Crowder is who he is. This is not about the last 5 games, the guy is in the league for 10 years and he has always been the same two-way player. He is rock solid as a 25-30 minutes per game player. He is shooting bad now but that happens to a lot of players and coaches can't give up on them because of that. He is a 35% 3p shooter.


I might play some 2 big lineups when they are and have Ayton guard BI.His length could deter him from shooting or force up bad shots. Crowder may not defend him well but neither would Cam. I would say Cam can spread the floor and shoot better thn Jae but that hasn't been the case overall over the last 8 games for each.Cam is better at driving.

Anyhow, they will both start and we switch enough.

BI got very hot in game 2. Doesn't mean he will every game. All star players get hot often regardless of who is guarding them.
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Post#6986 » by Revived » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:40 pm

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Between this and seeing Pelicans fans having threads on their forum about who they would rather face in the second round, Jazz or Mavs, it feels surreal to think how much has changed from one injury (albeit to best player) and one loss.

A week ago from today the only question was if Suns would win the first round in sweep or 5 games. Now the question seems like it’s if they will win the series at all.
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Post#6987 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:07 pm

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Between this and seeing Pelicans fans having threads on their forum about who they would rather face in the second round, Jazz or Mavs, it feels surreal to think how much has changed from one injury (albeit to best player) and one loss.

A week ago from today the only question was if Suns would win the first round in sweep or 5 games. Now the question seems like it’s if they will win the series at all.
This is the ONLY aspect of the Booker injury I like. This team always seems to play better when they have the no on believes in us chip on their shoulder.

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Post#6988 » by TeamTragic » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:22 pm

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Between this and seeing Pelicans fans having threads on their forum about who they would rather face in the second round, Jazz or Mavs, it feels surreal to think how much has changed from one injury (albeit to best player) and one loss.

A week ago from today the only question was if Suns would win the first round in sweep or 5 games. Now the question seems like it’s if they will win the series at all.


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Post#6989 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:00 pm

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Post#6990 » by Frank Lee » Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:49 am

It’s not just an injury to Book giving them hope…. It’s the 30+ on the boards, the match ups, the confidence in their coach to scheme us, and the over all outplaying us. Sure, no Book is the clincher, but there is no fear in their locker room

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Post#6992 » by sunsbg » Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:25 am

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Post#6994 » by RunDogGun » Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:28 am

Frank Lee wrote:It’s not just an injury to Book giving them hope…. It’s the 30+ on the boards, the match ups, the confidence in their coach to scheme us, and the over all outplaying us. Sure, no Book is the clincher, but there is no fear in their locker room

I’d be jazzed up too as a pelly

They have nothing to lose. In a normal year, they miss the playoffs. They still have a number one pick waiting to play next year, and their rookies got mad experience this season.
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Post#6995 » by starbosa10 » Sat Apr 23, 2022 3:15 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:It’s not just an injury to Book giving them hope…. It’s the 30+ on the boards, the match ups, the confidence in their coach to scheme us, and the over all outplaying us. Sure, no Book is the clincher, but there is no fear in their locker room

I’d be jazzed up too as a pelly

They have nothing to lose. In a normal year, they miss the playoffs. They still have a number one pick waiting to play next year, and their rookies got mad experience this season.


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Post#6996 » by RunDogGun » Sat Apr 23, 2022 5:20 pm

starbosa10 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:It’s not just an injury to Book giving them hope…. It’s the 30+ on the boards, the match ups, the confidence in their coach to scheme us, and the over all outplaying us. Sure, no Book is the clincher, but there is no fear in their locker room

I’d be jazzed up too as a pelly

They have nothing to lose. In a normal year, they miss the playoffs. They still have a number one pick waiting to play next year, and their rookies got mad experience this season.


And another top 10 pick

Yep, they are in great shape. I am impressed how tough their rookies have been playing, and they still could get a top 3 pick plus playoff experience for the young guys they have.
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Post#6997 » by Puff » Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:19 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
starbosa10 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:They have nothing to lose. In a normal year, they miss the playoffs. They still have a number one pick waiting to play next year, and their rookies got mad experience this season.


And another top 10 pick

Yep, they are in great shape. I am impressed how tough their rookies have been playing, and they still could get a top 3 pick plus playoff experience for the young guys they have.


With a healthy Zion and the additional 1st round picks they will get this year they will not be in a play in game next April, they will be in the play offs and could be the favorite to win it all.

With Ingram and McCollum as their leaders they are set and going to be scary in the future. Hell, they are scary now.
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Post#6998 » by Frank Lee » Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:11 pm

Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.
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Post#6999 » by King4Day » Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:16 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Where as we are hamstrung with ineffective players. Who here will be stoked to ‘run this a squad back’ ? You think Jones will be able or be willing to deal Crowder, Shamet, Payne? Or Saric or Craig? And who would you get for them? He might be able to move CamJo but how does that help?

Factor or in a tax bill with a DA extension and there is quite a mess brewing that will only fester especially if we get bounced by the Pels… and I think that’s likely.

This tight family atmosphere needs a couple divorces.


Not sure Jones has it in him. May be the best thing is for Sarver to sell, then new ownership can come in a blow it the F up, top down, for we are acquiring the look of an also ran that’s only getting older.


Assuming we lose this round, I'd see what we can get for Crowder (I do think there would be interest and I believe it would be more than one team).
Payne is fortunately on a good contract. He was improving mid-season before getting hurt. I don't believe we'll trade him but if the right offer is there, we have to consider it.
Dario I believe we will keep as our "big addition".
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Post#7000 » by bwoolf2 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:54 pm

For some reason Monty doesn't believe guys can impact a game playing 5 to 7 minutes a game where Green does Alvarado, Marshall. Naji, hayes all have had impacts in short minutes, yet we don't see Holiday, Bizzy, ish, even Payton, they don't need to play 15 to 20 minutes, their energy, intensity in 5 minutes, can be enough to change the tempo and flow of a game.

I don't get it. Just no adjustments. And cp3 can't just continue to walk the ball up we don't get into our offense until 15 seconds on the clock at the earliest, that leaves little yo no room for error we gotta speed things up. Smh

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